Did anyone else hear about this? It's from The Sun, so take it with a pinch of salt:

Wow. :o I would have so gone for £2. No wonder she's 'selling out' arenas if they're going to such measures. I wouldn't believe it but Norma did say the other day that she could have easily bought some tickets if she wanted, it's not like they were selling like hot cakes. :unsure:

 

So perhaps less people are paying £100 a head to see Britney mime than we thought. :o

 

Even £2 is still £2 too much to see a fake Aaron.... As, I said, the actual worth of any artist who mimes at a live show is zero..... She'd have to pay ME to go and see her mate.....

 

If there are these poor sales for the shows, it's pretty obvious why innit, maybe there are some Britney fans out there who DO actually object to being taken as mugs.....

 

This should probably be locked now... Grimly, Rob, Aaron, myself, Tyler and plenty others have all put our opinion across a number of times, we've had the debate, nobody's going to be changing their minds and it's getting a little rude now so...

Slightly off topic, but why does Britney have to dress like she works in Spearmint Rhino? Can you not put on a show if you're wearing clothes?

This should probably be locked now... Grimly, Rob, Aaron, myself, Tyler and plenty others have all put our opinion across a number of times, we've had the debate, nobody's going to be changing their minds and it's getting a little rude now so...

 

Sorry mate, but I dont agree with this "locking topics" lark just because it may be getting a bit heated or whatever.... There could be further developments on this issue (as often happens on topics in Perspectives, and this IS kind of news-related anyway), people such as Aaron and Richard have already added more recent news reports, etc, so I see no earthly reason to close it....

 

Why on earth close a topic which has had 300 replies and still potentially has legs....? If there's a few "out of order" posts, prune THEM (that's surely a "moderator's" job innit, not to censor or close off avenues of debate, but to direct), dont lock off the whole thread....

Yeah well sadly the moderators of this forum are... less than active when it comes to keeping things calm. :P I'm just saying that to call somebody thick for failing to come around to our viewpoint re the miming is a little extreme.

I'm just saying that to call somebody thick for failing to come around to our viewpoint re the miming is a little extreme.[/size]

 

I'm calling them "thick" because they seem to be willing to accept being ripped off knowing full well they are being ripped off.... :lol: It doesn't seem very sensible really does it...? :P There surely must come a time when fan-worship has to give way to the realisation that the person that you're worshipping really isn't worthy of all this adulation.... And, I'll call anyone 'stoooooopid' if they cant see that....

 

It's the old saying - Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.... Brit and Jacko have crossed the line, simple as....

 

I have to agree with Jark ... it probably is time to close this. I don't think there is mileage left in it, and we're just going round in circles discussing the same thing over and over, with both parties making the same points repetively. Rob said he wanted Britney fans to deliver succinct posts with real reasoning ... and I feel like I did that about 4 pages ago, and it got completely ignored, so where's the motivation for anyone to do it? Thus, the topic has turned into a big vicious circle where we're all just recycling the same arguments and not really establising anything we didn't all know on page 1.

I have to agree with Jark ... it probably is time to close this. I don't think there is mileage left in it, and we're just going round in circles discussing the same thing over and over, with both parties making the same points repetively. Rob said he wanted Britney fans to deliver succinct posts with real reasoning ... and I feel like I did that about 4 pages ago, and it got completely ignored, so where's the motivation for anyone to do it? Thus, the topic has turned into a big vicious circle where we're all just recycling the same arguments and not really establising anything we didn't all know on page 1.

 

It wasn't ignored Andrew, I just shot it down in flames, and you couldn't counter my counter, or Rob's or Richard's or Jark's..... You simply cannot argue in favour of someone passing themselves off as a live act and not actually delivering the goods.... In the retail trade - "Passing Off" is considered an offence and a shop or retailer which sold something which wasn't as advertised (for example if you advertised Grants Vodka as Smirnoff, or a bottle of cheap plonk as a rare vintage..) would be subject to a hefty fine, and may even face closure should the offence be of sufficent severity. Well, the same should apply to Britney, she's similarly "passing off" her shows as "live", when they're not.....

 

I'll ask you pretty simply mate, why should SHE get away with it when Milli Vanilli didn't....?

I've only dipped in and out of this thread a few times but im going to keep it open. Aly can go ahead and close it if he wants too though.

It wasn't ignored Andrew, I just shot it down in flames, and you couldn't counter my counter, or Rob's or Richard's or Jark's.... You simply cannot argue in favour of someone passing themselves off as a live act and not actually delivering the goods...

 

I owe you an apology ... in the speed this topic has been responded to, I entirely missed your reply, and thought my post had been entirely overlooked, sorry. In response to it, I actually agree with a lot of what you say. But you exemplify it with Girls Aloud, Kylie et al ... I've seen both of those acts live, as well as Britney on the Circus tour, and I can say hand on my heart, I enjoyed Britney's the most. Not because I'm a big fan of her (I like Girls Aloud a lot aswell, and was really impressed with Kylie's tour), but live vocals or not, I had a fantastic night. Nothing anyone says in this topic or away from it can take away the fact that I know that concert was incredible, and I loved every second of it. Isn't THAT the point of entertainment? To give someone a feeling of joy and incredulity for 2 hours? HOW or WHY I feel great isn't important to me ... all I care about is that I love it, and I did. As far as I'm concerned, I had an incredible 3 hours at the o2 last week - to me, that is delivering the goods. That's all I care about.

 

Very fair that you might not feel the same way ... I can appreciate why you'd demand live vocals from acts, but to me it's not as important, or a big issue. But I know I left the arena feeling incredible, and the point of a concert is to make me feel that way. As far as I'm concerned, she did her job.

I've only dipped in and out of this thread a few times but im going to keep it open. Aly can go ahead and close it if he wants too though.

 

Good decision Aled.... A thread should NEVER be closed just because of a few heated posts here and there, which can easily be pruned if the Mods felt that they had to do so..... Although this may sound a bit like blowing my own trumpet, it's pretty obvious judging from the response and the post count, that this is probably one of the best debates ever to occur in the Pop Forum...... :)

 

that this is probably one of the best debates ever to occur in the Pop Forum...... :)

 

Well we agree on one thing :lol: An improvement on The Saturdays Suck/Rule #4924.

I owe you an apology ... in the speed this topic has been responded to, I entirely missed your reply, and thought my post had been entirely overlooked, sorry. In response to it, I actually agree with a lot of what you say. But you exemplify it with Girls Aloud, Kylie et al ... I've seen both of those acts live, as well as Britney on the Circus tour, and I can say hand on my heart, I enjoyed Britney's the most. Not because I'm a big fan of her (I like Girls Aloud a lot aswell, and was really impressed with Kylie's tour), but live vocals or not, I had a fantastic night. Nothing anyone says in this topic or away from it can take away the fact that I know that concert was incredible, and I loved every second of it. Isn't THAT the point of entertainment? To give someone a feeling of joy and incredulity for 2 hours? HOW or WHY I feel great isn't important to me ... all I care about is that I love it, and I did. As far as I'm concerned, I had an incredible 3 hours at the o2 last week - to me, that is delivering the goods. That's all I care about.

 

Very fair that you might not feel the same way ... I can appreciate why you'd demand live vocals from acts. But I know I left the arena feeling incredible, and the point of a concert is to make me feel that way.

 

It's a completely false feeling though Andy.... How can it be anything else....? If the person who's "entertaining" you isn't doing it for real, then it's fake, it can't possibly be otherwise..... Similarly, you might like the cheap bottle of plonk, but it's not the vintage you paid for is it mate....? ;)

 

You're just being taken in by all the gloss, the window dressing, the icing, and not the actual heart and soul of it.... Actually, she's quite brilliant in the way that she's been able to fool you all and make you think you've seen the greatest show ever.... But it's like a Virtual Reality headset mate... You may LOVE the VR world in which you become so engrossed in, you may love it more than your real life... But it's not actually REAL......

 

And anyway, I shouldn't have to "demand" live vocals from an act that I've paid to go and see, it should be a GIVEN, it shouldn't even occur to the act to even try and trick me......

 

It's a completely false feeling though Andy.... How can it be anything else....? If the person who's "entertaining" you isn't doing it for real, then it's fake, it can't possibly be otherwise..... Similarly, you might like the cheap bottle of plonk, but it's not the vintage you paid for is it mate....? ;)

 

You're just being taken in by all the gloss, the window dressing, the icing, and not the actual heart and soul of it.... Actually, she's quite brilliant in the way that she's been able to fool you all and make you think you've seen the greatest show ever.... But it's like a Virtual Reality headset mate... You may LOVE the VR world in which you become so engrossed in, you may love it more than your real life... But it's not actually REAL......

 

And anyway, I shouldn't have to "demand" live vocals from an act that I've paid to go and see, it should be a GIVEN, it shouldn't even occur to the act to even try and trick me......

 

How can it be a false feeling?! o.O

What I don't get is that you just can't get your head around the fact people still want to go and see her whether she mimes or not.

She puts on a circus show, that's what is being advertised. It does not say "Britney Spears : Live in Concert", it's promoted as "The Circus Starring: Britney Spears".

And as Britney has mimed the majority of her tour for 5 years, nobody is being tricked into thinking she's live.

If you've bought a ticket with the intention of going to have a good time and knowing that she's going to mime, you haven't paid for anything but that.

It's not fake, you're going see Britney Spears and she's there.. How this is "virtual reality" is beyond me.

 

 

It's a completely false feeling though Andy.... How can it be anything else....? If the person who's "entertaining" you isn't doing it for real, then it's fake, it can't possibly be otherwise..... Similarly, you might like the cheap bottle of plonk, but it's not the vintage you paid for is it mate....? ;)

 

You're just being taken in by all the gloss, the window dressing, the icing, and not the actual heart and soul of it.... Actually, she's quite brilliant in the way that she's been able to fool you all and make you think you've seen the greatest show ever.... But it's like a Virtual Reality headset mate... You may LOVE the VR world in which you become so engrossed in, you may love it more than your real life... But it's not actually REAL......

 

And anyway, I shouldn't have to "demand" live vocals from an act that I've paid to go and see, it should be a GIVEN, it shouldn't even occur to the act to even try and trick me......

 

GET OVER IT.

 

She's obviously getting away with it and will continue to get away with it. There isn't lip syncing police, if her fans like it then OH WELL for you. I'm sorry that upsets you, but it seems as if you will have to get over it.

 

Until you actually GO to a Britney Spears concert, shut the f*** up, seriously. You can't judge it by youtube videos or what a news outlet says, you can say whatever you like but your opinion isn't the gospel and everyone that doesn't agree with you isn't deluded. The fact of the matter is you can sit at your computer and bitch about it until your fingers bleed but it's not changing a damn thing, is it? Are Britney fans on this forum upset with her now that you have brought up the SAME point several times? I'm not even annoyed by the fact you're talking about Britney, I have no reason to be I went to the show and THOROUGHLY enjoyed it. It's more or less your negativity about the whole situation. You've stated your opinion just like EVERYONE ELSE has (pro Britney statements and anti Britney statements alike) COUNTLESS times, now move along.

 

Although this may sound a bit like blowing my own trumpet, it's pretty obvious judging from the response and the post count, that this is probably one of the best debates ever to occur in the Pop Forum......

 

It's basically the first two pages on repeat, really nothing that special. <3

Edited June 10, 200916 yr by Tyler

It's basically the first two pages on repeat, really nothing that special. <3

 

Exactly, I haven't been very involved in the debate, but everytime I open the thread, it's the same old arguments I can read.

Basically the "haters" only argument is "She doesn't sing live so you can't enjoy her show", and the "lovers" argument is "yes we do enjoy it lots". That's it really ...

Edited June 10, 200916 yr by Bert for Lashes

Exactly, I haven't been very involved in the debate, but everytime I open the thread, it's the same old arguments I can read.

Basically the "haters" only argument is "She doesn't sing live so you can't enjoy her show", and the "lovers" argument is "yes we do enjoy it lots". That's it really ...

 

nope...thats NOT the point, its not what we are actually saying..

 

1) i am not a britney hater, scott said he isnt, we are MIME haters.

 

2) we are saying that you shouldnt be endorsing her fakery as its lowering the standard of musical credibility.

 

does that matter?...well yes it does! because without real talented artists there will be no talent! singing is an art form, it is a talent, its a virtue to be able to perform live.

 

if she sang live then nobody could knock it.. even though some of us dont like it

 

hell, me, scott, richard, have all been very critical of the manufactured (fake) side of the saturdays but credit where its due...they perform live.

 

i definitely dont think its okay to lip synch an entire set, but im sure its impossible to sound good and do as much dancing as artists like brit does so if there is back-up vocal tracks//singers then that doesnt seem so bad.

 

i definitely dont think its okay to lip synch an entire set, but im sure its impossible to sound good and do as much dancing as artists like brit does so if there is back-up vocal tracks//singers then that doesnt seem so bad.

 

 

........... then tone down the dancing. primarily shes a singer.

i definitely dont think its okay to lip synch an entire set, but im sure its impossible to sound good and do as much dancing as artists like brit does so if there is back-up vocal tracks//singers then that doesnt seem so bad.

 

I don't think the 'she's dancing hard so she can't be expected to sing live' is relevant though. Other artists manage it. The point is that this thread has run its ground now. Yes she does mime at every opportunity ... but her fans know she mimes and they don't care ... that is their prerogative. As people who aren't her fans are hardly likely to go to her shows then I don't see what the problem is. She isn't twisting peoples arms to go and watch her. It can't even be said that she's selling tickets (or not as it happens) under false pretences as everyone knows she can't doesn't sing and that's why she mimes. One way of looking at it though is, there are a lot of genuinely talented people involved in the show (dancers, acrobats, all sorts of artists) who would be out of a job if it wasn't Britney Spear's name on the posters! And hey! Britney has made life easier for a lot of the 'Britney' tribute acts out there ... they can legitimately mime and get paid for half the job ... as no-one knows what Britney sounds like!

 

I'm not saying its right and I think she shows contempt for her own fans by not singing live, but they'd rather have her mime than sing anyway ... so no problem.

 

I do think this thread could be closed though. I know Rob and Grim you'll say that its a good thread as it debates an important subject (and it does) ... but this particular case is going nowhere. Neither side is going to convince the other to change their point of view.

 

Norma

Edited June 10, 200916 yr by Norma_Snockers