You might have read this before, but I still find it quite good:

 

Dr. Laura Schlessinger is a radio personality who dispenses advice to people who call in to her radio show. Recently, she said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22 and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The following is an open letter to Dr. Laura penned by a east coast resident, which was posted on the Internet. It's funny, as well as informative:

 

Dear Dr. Laura:

 

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them:

 

1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

 

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

 

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15:19- 24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

 

4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

 

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath.. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

 

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

 

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

 

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

 

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

 

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

 

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

 

Your devoted fan, Jim.

 

:lol: brilliant! ..... richard dawkins in his book/tv doc 'the god delusion' also highlighted the visciousness of the god of the old testiment, where 'he' wasnt short of dishing out completely disproportionate punishment on peoples.... but then again, why not? its hardly 'fair' that we are still paying the price for eves sin...:lol:

 

such a viscious, violant, unjust god.... suddenly became 'the god of love'...:lol: yeah right... <_<

 

 

There are Roman documents that record the crucifixion of a man called Jesus - this is actually true. I'm not presenting this as proof that he was the Son of God or whatever, but there was a guy with that name who was crucified.

 

And I do believe in "God" - I believe in a higher entity, whatever name you want to give it. But that's about as far as my beliefs go - I do believe in evolution, and not in the story of Adam and Eve, I don't know whether I believe that Jesus was the Son of God and I don't pretend to know what happens to us after we die...but I can live in hope.

 

i know of NO documentary evidence that a bloke called jesus who broadly followed the biblical blokes life, was caught, tried and executed around the year 30ad. the great roman historian and journalist tacitus makes no referance to jesus... so please correct me and point me/us to where this 'evidence' is. :)

 

I really can't see why people can't live and let live when it comes to personal beliefs. It's totally arrogant for any human-being to claim they KNOW for sure that there is a God, or that there isn't a God. From my personal experiences, I personally believe that there is a God, but I'm not going to insist that I'm definitely right on that, and I also know that life's too short to worry about whether God, if there is one, will approve of every single thing I do in my life.

 

A lot of what some organised religions teach does p*** me off, and so, I'm not part of any religion. I've got no problem with religious people following their own moral codes - as long as they don't try to force their morals onto everyone else. But I also don't see why many Atheists feel the need to insist they are right. Hopefully, we will one day get to the stage where everyone can respect everyone's personal beliefs.

 

because its being sold as 'the truth'... all this bad science, mythology, make-believe has been forced upon us for 2000 years and in this technological, scientific age we live in religion is still appealing to the medieval minded supersticious populace. it doesnt take much nutral thought to come to the conclusion that the whole christian story is sooo full of holes that the likelyhood is its 99.9 % utter crap.

if such a doctrine was introduced today...it would NEVER get off the ground except from some feeble minded folk.

 

peddling religion as the truth hold human kind back from developing, and more chillingly theres the 'end timers' , devout christians who WANT to bring on a nuclear war, armageddon, so that they dont have to wait for the return of jesus....the rapture. <_<

 

 

I was raised a Catholic too, I went to a Catholic primary school, and trust me, they're not trying to "help" you at all, they're trying to control you...... I'm assuming from the overall tone of that point that you're maybe a lesbian or bi....? Well, let me tell you, they have no right whasoever to even assume you somehow 'need help'.... And even if you did, what training and qualifications or even LIFE experience do they actually have that makes them even think that they can help you... If you have trouble with your relationships, dont seek out a bloody PRIEST, I mean, just what the hell would they know about relationships anyway, these buggers have taken a vow of CELIBACY ffs..... :rolleyes: There are professional relationship counsellors out there who are qualified and more often than not actually are married or in a relationship and are certainly better qualified to talk to you than some prat in a dog-collar whose not even taking part in real life.... And, the added bonus of a professional counsellor is, they wont judge you or tell you you're a naughty, sinful, bad girl and tell you to say a hundred Hail Marys and "repent your sins"....

 

Catholicism = Mind Control..... I should know....

 

strange isnt it, that the very society that supposed to be looking out for the welfare of mankind in gods name, is possibly the most EVIL society this planet has ever seen.

 

I can imagine how many people would have left drugs in case they knew there were trilobites billions of years ago. How many people would have given up on suicide in case they knew about the bacteria and dinosaur stuff... Families would have been reconstructed, people would be given new hope.

 

How could the Bible ever omit something as relevant as the trilobites?

 

Surely, one can never fill its existential whole knowing about the life in the paleozoic oceans.

 

We have been conned.

 

I bet if Mother Theresa had known about the trilobites, she wouldn´t have consider becoming a nun at first place.

 

Your unadulterated ignorance is astonishing. :manson: Why does one sheep follow another into the slaughterhouse? <_<

 

Even the famous quote “When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea” makes more logical sense than your dim-witted drivel.

Edited June 14, 200916 yr by Ethan.

You might have read this before, but I still find it quite good:

 

Dr. Laura Schlessinger is a radio personality who dispenses advice to people who call in to her radio show. Recently, she said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22 and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The following is an open letter to Dr. Laura penned by a east coast resident, which was posted on the Internet. It's funny, as well as informative:

 

Dear Dr. Laura:

 

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them:

 

1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

 

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

 

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15:19- 24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

 

4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

 

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath.. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

 

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

 

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

 

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

 

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

 

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

 

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

 

Your devoted fan, Jim.

 

:lol: Genious.

Even the famous quote “When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea” makes more logical sense than your dim-witted drivel.

 

And even Cantona himself admitted that he just made that gobbledigook up just to take the p!ss out of the press and make them think it was actually something mysterious and profound....... :lol: :lol:

 

although so many criminals were killed , another fact the bible omits, suggesting strongly that jesus's crucifiction was the only one.

 

I have read it several times and never noticed the Bible ever sugest Jesus was the only crucified person back then.

 

In fact, it even says he was crucified among 2 other criminals.

 

So that argument, along with all your typical hate-speech against religious people, is just ignorant nonsense...

 

Plus, I think it´s very pathetic to criticize a book when you give proof, over and over, that you haven´t actually read it and even your general knowledge about is superficial, to say the least, ignoring basic facts that even an average iliterate person would easily be aware of.

 

And about Jesus existence, I prefer to stand by the majority of scholars, including secular and atheist, who support He was an historical character. I find it very pathetic that a person who claims to be science-oriented would happily ignore the majority of serious scholars in order to base a speech only on personal frustrations and a passional hate towards christianity.

 

Your posts are a joke.

Edited June 19, 200916 yr by Overstaged

One thing I have always asked myself is, why are atheist usually obsessed about religion, and turning every discussion into a religious discussion?

 

Why are atheists so obsesse to depose christianity and all other religions, and get so easily irritated about the fact people will hold to their beliefs regardless of atheists attacks over and over?

 

Surely, one cannot base his life in what he DOES NOT believe. If I don´t believe in horoscope, I´d simply ignore it, and not live an entire life obsessed about the fact that I just HAVE to convince the whole world that horoscope doesn´t work, and turn every possible discussion into an attack against horoscope-believers.

 

Basing your life on something you DON`T belive is simply not healthy.

 

So, instead of just basing your lives on prooving God does not exist, atheist should sugest an alternative reason to base your life on. A positive one, not one based on denial.

 

You can never escape the fact that your life is empty and meaningless. That´s the reason I think many atheists are bitter. There is nothing left they can base their lives on, it´s a huge waste. They might end up like a depressed nihilistic, in case they have the same philosophical depth as Nietzsche (which most obviously don´t).

Edited June 19, 200916 yr by Overstaged

Your unadulterated ignorance is astonishing. :manson: Why does one sheep follow another into the slaughterhouse? <_<

 

Even the famous quote “When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea” makes more logical sense than your dim-witted drivel.

 

I know it hurts. To know that you are useless, your life is ending fast and it acomplished nothing. That´s why I understand your bitterness. I´m very sorry for people who can´t have a meaning on their lives, cause that equals pretty much to have a cancer in your soul. And that sort of justifies some atheists agressiveness towars anyone who disagrees their closed-minded world view.

How many f***ing times do we have to say this? What is the obsession with creating purpose for our existence? Just because we don't have a purpose doesn't mean a single thing whatsoever, so I find your patronising overtones quite insulting, to claim that I am bitter. And funnily enough, I've often found it vice versa - that once the religious find out you're an atheist, they try to convert you rather than the other way around! And no, anyway, we don't base our lives on what we don't believe - we base them on what we DO believe, which is that there is no God! And funnily enough, we do actually have positive frameworks for our lives - creating happiness for others and ourselves rather than torturing ourselves with guilt imposed by a vile institution that believes a majestic benevolent creature is at all concerned with and willing to send to hell for what two people do for fun in a bedroom! -_- Why does not believing we were created for the sick entertainment of a fantasy being AT ALL equate to having a cancer in our soul may I ask? We can still have meaning in our lives, to create happiness for others etc. and I find your comments deliciously ironic and hypocritical given you are the one with the closed-minded view with frankly no empirical evidence whatsoever to back it up which you and your hideous institution insists on aggressively forcing upon (and has done for CENTURIES may I add?) all and f***ing sundry!

 

As Richard Dawkins has said, and as you have indeed toyed with yourself in speaking of horoscopes etc., the vast majority of people are atheists with the majority of religions - we no longer worship Zeus etc. - but we just go one step further. Or are you so outraged that we have the nerve to express our views and argue in a mature manner without invoking personal non-empirical evidence in one of the few open forums of discussion in the world dominated by our kind? ;)

I have read it several times and never noticed the Bible ever sugest Jesus was the only crucified person back then.

 

In fact, it even says he was crucified among 2 other criminals.

 

So that argument, along with all your typical hate-speech against religious people, is just ignorant nonsense...

 

Plus, I think it´s very pathetic to criticize a book when you give proof, over and over, that you haven´t actually read it and even your general knowledge about is superficial, to say the least, ignoring basic facts that even an average iliterate person would easily be aware of.

 

And about Jesus existence, I prefer to stand by the majority of scholars, including secular and atheist, who support He was an historical character. I find it very pathetic that a person who claims to be science-oriented would happily ignore the majority of serious scholars in order to base a speech only on personal frustrations and a passional hate towards christianity.

 

Your posts are a joke.

 

 

point#1. yes we all know that jc was cruicified alongside 2 others (or so the story goes), but im refering to the thousands of others cruicified in those times.... it wouldnt surprise me one bit if one WAS called 'jesus', it wasnt a unique name! .... hardly the viewpoint of someone who is 'ignorant' <_<

 

point#2 im not 'hating religious people' , i hate RELIGION.

 

point#3 nope i havnt read every chapter and verse...who has? my biblical knowlege is pretty strong thank you...pray tell me, WHAT basic facts am i ignoring that any illiterate person would know? please enlighten me <_<

 

point#4 WHAT 'vast majority of scolars'?... EVIDENCE PLEASE... you are just picking numbers out of a hat with NO evidence....but hold on, thats how you live your life...on a dream..

 

point#5 i couldnt care less anyway just how many scholars believe in whatever, i have my own mind, i can think for myself, and i will make my own decisions and stand by them... i DO NOT chose my point of view to match anyone else.... no one should.

One thing I have always asked myself is, why are atheist usually obsessed about religion, and turning every discussion into a religious discussion?

 

Why are atheists so obsesse to depose christianity and all other religions, and get so easily irritated about the fact people will hold to their beliefs regardless of atheists attacks over and over?

 

Surely, one cannot base his life in what he DOES NOT believe. If I don´t believe in horoscope, I´d simply ignore it, and not live an entire life obsessed about the fact that I just HAVE to convince the whole world that horoscope doesn´t work, and turn every possible discussion into an attack against horoscope-believers.

 

Basing your life on something you DON`T belive is simply not healthy.

 

So, instead of just basing your lives on prooving God does not exist, atheist should sugest an alternative reason to base your life on. A positive one, not one based on denial.

 

You can never escape the fact that your life is empty and meaningless. That´s the reason I think many atheists are bitter. There is nothing left they can base their lives on, it´s a huge waste. They might end up like a depressed nihilistic, in case they have the same philosophical depth as Nietzsche (which most obviously don´t).

 

point #1...... thats nonsense, you see athiests as pro active aggressors when in reality we are are just normal people opposing a doctrine that is promoted as 'the truth'... IT ISNT! :angry:

 

point#2 ... who bases there life on what they dont believe in?..:lol: thats stupid. you dont HAVE to believe in anything! but most people, like myself, bases their life on values like truth so when we see LIES and untruths being promoted as 'the truth' we WILL react.

 

point#3 ... my life is empty and meaningless?... :rofl: my life is full, its rich, i am very content, i have friends, interests, thoughts, and a superb partner .... m8, im FAR from bitter :lol:

 

point#4 ... WHY does your life have to be based on anything other then just living it fully and 'cleanly'? and STOP trying to sound clever, you arnt, by name dropping great philosophers. no im not in the same league as many like nietzsche, but NEITHER ARE YOU. in fact you appear pretty dumb as you constantly quote from other scources as if they are your thoughts... try free thinking, thinking for yourself and stop adopting what others have said...

 

I know it hurts. To know that you are useless, your life is ending fast and it acomplished nothing. That´s why I understand your bitterness. I´m very sorry for people who can´t have a meaning on their lives, cause that equals pretty much to have a cancer in your soul. And that sort of justifies some atheists agressiveness towars anyone who disagrees their closed-minded world view.

 

you ARE talking about yourself here i assume,

 

just tell me, what is the meaning to YOUR life? what have YOU achieved, what are your goals? and if/when you get them, do you feel superior to others who are happy and content just to enjoy life?

 

CLOSED MINDED? :rofl: theres NO ONE more closed minded then someone with a religious conviction! ffs...are you crazy chris or summut? no one contradicts themselves that much! :lol:

I know it hurts. To know that you are useless, your life is ending fast and it acomplished nothing. That´s why I understand your bitterness. I´m very sorry for people who can´t have a meaning on their lives, cause that equals pretty much to have a cancer in your soul. And that sort of justifies some atheists agressiveness towars anyone who disagrees their closed-minded world view.

 

 

The fact that you cannot write anything remotely approaching a coherent logical argument indicates that you are mentally subnormal. While your abysmal spelling, punctuation and grammar clearly demonstrates you are poorly educated.

 

Being uneducated and a bit mental probably made you more susceptible to brainwashing than the average person, vulnerable one could say. You simply lack the intellect to question material that you have been taught. ^_^

 

To suggest that not believing in a Dark Age myth could somehow prevent anyone from achievement, fulfilment or success is seriously delusional. :manson: I PITY your existence propped up by a mythical crutch because you are so weak and feeble that your scared of actually living your own life and ultimately dying. <_<

And funnily enough, I've often found it vice versa - that once the religious find out you're an atheist, they try to convert you rather than the other way around!

f***ing wrong. How many of the religious threads in this forum have been opened by religious people tryng to convert atheists??? There were dozens of threads about religion in this forum, and NOT ONE of them have been opened by a religious person, but ALL OF THEM have been opened by a closed minded atheist voicing that "if you can´t proove byscience it´s not worth...", the most shallow and empty principle to live your life based on. An why do you do that??? Simply because you can´t live with the fact that other people (in fact, the majority of the whole world...) believe in something that you can´t agree.

 

And no, anyway, we don't base our lives on what we don't believe - we base them on what we DO believe, which is that there is no God!

If your life is based on that, then it´s empty.

You should base it on what you DO believe, and simply ignore what you don´t believe. It´s insane to concentrate so much time on something that doesn´t exist, acording to your beliefs.

It´s like devouting your whole life to the non-existence of aliens: if they don´t exist, what importance do they have at all? Creating associations and reuniting people around the NON-BELIEF in something is utter stupid.

 

 

We can still have meaning in our lives

But you said in the first paragraph that life doesn´t have a meaning at all... what a contradiction.

 

 

you and your hideous institution insists on aggressively forcing upon (and has done for CENTURIES may I add?) all and f***ing sundry!

May I ask what institution are you talking about??? It´s typical from a person blinded with prejudice to make judgements about people you don´t even know... You don´t even know if and what institutions am I member of, so stop talking bull$h!t. That´s what I refered as "closed-minded": talking about something you know NOTHING, and acting as if your conclusions, based on nothing, are plain truth.

 

As Richard Dawkins has said...

Oh again, the Pope of atheists... lol. Another one who wasted his whole life basing it on a non-belief.

 

the vast majority of people are atheists with the majority of religions - we no longer worship Zeus etc. - but we just go one step further.

Yes, but the vast majority of christians won´t bother the fact some believe in Krishna or Budda, as most hindus won´t bother christians believe in Jesus, and so on... But atheists ALWAYS have to be bitter about what other people believe.

 

To me, the things I don´t believe are simply irrelevant... they are nothing to me. And it´s not like I keep my whole life thinking and talking about the non-existence of stuff. A health atheists could be just indiferent to the idea of God, and in fact simply not thinking about it at all. I think most people who live that way would call themselves "agnostic". But militant atheists cannot spend 1 day without thinking about the non-existence of God, and that´s delirious!

point#3 nope i havnt read every chapter and verse...who has?

 

SO your whole criticism is laughable.

 

I cannot, will not, take serious someone who lives his life to criticize a book he has not even read.

 

point#4 WHAT 'vast majority of scolars'?... EVIDENCE PLEASE... you are just picking numbers out of a hat with NO evidence....

Yes, the VAST MAJORITY of scholars, and that´s not my opinion, is FACT. Anyone who is barely interested in history knows this. And your insistence of the supposed fact that Jesus has never existed just shows how illiterate you are about it, and instead of basing your arguments on serious stuff, you seem to base it in word-of-mouth "Da Vinci Code" type of "science". Hilarious.

 

 

 

point#5 i couldnt care less anyway just how many scholars believe in whatever, i have my own mind

Mate, I firmly believe that quote... You don´t care what science says, you just use it as an excuse for your trolling against religion, when its convenient to yourself.

 

, i can think for myself, and i will make my own decisions and stand by them... i DO NOT chose my point of view to match anyone else.... no one should.

You are entitled to your opinion, but nobody is going to take serious your wishful thinking over what dozens of serious and impartial historians have concluded.

The fact that you cannot write anything remotely approaching a coherent logical argument indicates that you are mentally subnormal.

 

Don´t you realize how ridiculous you are? You have not written anything close to an argument, you just ATTACK.

 

While your abysmal spelling, punctuation and grammar clearly demonstrates you are poorly educated.

No, it clearly demonstrates that english is only my 3rd language. How many languages do you speak, and do you even read books in your own language? If so, then why you prefer to simply attack, instead of show us what you know. But then again, what difference that make? No God = no right or wrong. No need to act "right", since "righteousness" is just a man made fiction. No solid basis for a behaviour, except convenience.

 

Being uneducated and a bit mental probably made you more susceptible to brainwashing than the average person, vulnerable one could say. You simply lack the intellect to question material that you have been taught. ^_^

And so did Isaac Newton, Plato, Augustinus, and dozens of other genius of humanity, who believe there was a God.

 

But they were obviously to uneducated and mental compared to an average brainswashed normal guy of the Richard Dawkins generation.

 

To suggest that not believing in a Dark Age myth could somehow prevent anyone from achievement, fulfilment or success is seriously delusional.

I don´t need to sugest that... your actions prove by themselves. Atheists in this forum are bitter... there is not need for me to sugest that cause it´s plain. Just read the first post on this topic. It´s basically a bitter cry-out. A mourn. With manifestations like that, it´s really not necessary to say anything.

 

I PITY your existence propped up by a mythical crutch because you are so weak and feeble that your scared of actually living your own life and ultimately dying. <_<

My existence is based on the same thing as was Martin Luther King, Gandhi, Mother Thereza, etc.

 

Your existence is based on denying what they lived for. That´s pretty much like living in the shadows of someone else...

It's pretty much certain that there WAS once a man called Jesus Christ... I remember hearing there's more solid historical evidence that he existed than there is that Elizabeth I existed. And it's also very likely that he had a strong following, and that people did BELIEVE he could perform miracles... whether or not he actually could perform them and that he was the "Son of God" is obviously very questionable though.

 

I do actually think Overstaged has a point that people wbose lives are defined by what they DON'T believe in are a bit ridiculous. I'm obviously not saying everyone should believe in God, but I don't see why some Atheists feel the need to try to insist to people that they are right and their beliefs are definitenly wrong... Atheists rightly object to people of a religion trying to force their own beliefs and morals onto everyone, so they themselves should grant the same courtesy.

I do actually think Overstaged has a point that people wbose lives are defined by what they DON'T believe in are a bit ridiculous.

 

Meh. Christians DON'T believe in sex before marriage, contraception, homosexuality and abortion. It's kind of contradictory.

 

 

 

... I remember hearing there's more solid historical evidence that he existed than there is that Elizabeth I existed.

 

thats utter rubbish....

SO your whole criticism is laughable.

 

I cannot, will not, take serious someone who lives his life to criticize a book he has not even read.

 

Yes, the VAST MAJORITY of scholars, and that´s not my opinion, is FACT. Anyone who is barely interested in history knows this. And your insistence of the supposed fact that Jesus has never existed just shows how illiterate you are about it, and instead of basing your arguments on serious stuff, you seem to base it in word-of-mouth "Da Vinci Code" type of "science". Hilarious.

Mate, I firmly believe that quote... You don´t care what science says, you just use it as an excuse for your trolling against religion, when its convenient to yourself.

You are entitled to your opinion, but nobody is going to take serious your wishful thinking over what dozens of serious and impartial historians have concluded.

 

have YOU read every word? who has? .... that just side steps the issue... its like me saying that if you havnt read every scientific journal you dont know what youre on about...its an infantile response.

 

what fact?... i want EVIDENCE..plese list them with referances so that we can check out your claims.

 

there is NO HARD EVIDENCE that the biblical jesus ever existed, its most likely the character was based upon a semi fictional person from the time... if im wrong and there IS hard evidence, please post the link here. NO contemporary historian (like tacitus) gives any referance to him at all...but they do document other events.

 

what do you mean 'i dont care what science says'? i DO! my opinions are built on thought and proven facts, facts that science proves... your arguments are barmy.

 

again you point to 'dozens of impartial historians'...OTHER PEOPLE... ffs... just because someone has an opinion it doesnt mean they are right! and again you refer to all these nebulous characters... who are they?

 

people like newton knew no better, they were FORCED to be christian, not long before newtons time it was compulsary to attend church.

f***ing wrong. How many of the religious threads in this forum have been opened by religious people tryng to convert atheists??? There were dozens of threads about religion in this forum, and NOT ONE of them have been opened by a religious person, but ALL OF THEM have been opened by a closed minded atheist voicing that "if you can´t proove byscience it´s not worth...", the most shallow and empty principle to live your life based on. An why do you do that??? Simply because you can´t live with the fact that other people (in fact, the majority of the whole world...) believe in something that you can´t agree.

Actually, I can live with the fact that others believe in something I can't agree with! I don't set out to try and convert anybody if I hear that they're Christian...and how on EARTH is wanting empirical evidence a shallow and empty principle? :mellow: That's basically saying that anything that can be proven is only done so in a 'shallow and empty sense' - so what, we go around believing what the hell we want just because science is 'shallow and empty'? :rolleyes: How is it AT ALL shallow and empty?

 

If your life is based on that, then it´s empty.

You should base it on what you DO believe, and simply ignore what you don´t believe. It´s insane to concentrate so much time on something that doesn´t exist, acording to your beliefs.

It´s like devouting your whole life to the non-existence of aliens: if they don´t exist, what importance do they have at all? Creating associations and reuniting people around the NON-BELIEF in something is utter stupid.

Actually, my life isn't based on that ;) You'll find very very few atheists who would base their lives on trying to prove God's non-existence and nothing else. And funnily enough, as Cal has said, you'll find far more Christians who devote their lives to making the lives of others miserable due to their own arrogant beliefs...

 

But you said in the first paragraph that life doesn´t have a meaning at all... what a contradiction.

Actually, I think you'll find I said it wasn't CREATED with a meaning...we create our own meaning.

 

May I ask what institution are you talking about??? It´s typical from a person blinded with prejudice to make judgements about people you don´t even know... You don´t even know if and what institutions am I member of, so stop talking bull$h!t. That´s what I refered as "closed-minded": talking about something you know NOTHING, and acting as if your conclusions, based on nothing, are plain truth.

You are a Catholic, are you not? If you aren't I suggest you check them out, given your previous posts on this forum have you down as agreeing with them the vast majority of the time...

 

Oh again, the Pope of atheists... lol. Another one who wasted his whole life basing it on a non-belief.

Have you ever read 'The God Delusion'? If you have, do you have any legitimate objections to its material?

 

Yes, but the vast majority of christians won´t bother the fact some believe in Krishna or Budda, as most hindus won´t bother christians believe in Jesus, and so on... But atheists ALWAYS have to be bitter about what other people believe.

Sounds like you've been indoctrinated to believe all atheists to be bitter...for the record, I only object to the religion of others when they attempt to force it upon others ;)

 

To me, the things I don´t believe are simply irrelevant... they are nothing to me. And it´s not like I keep my whole life thinking and talking about the non-existence of stuff. A health atheists could be just indiferent to the idea of God, and in fact simply not thinking about it at all. I think most people who live that way would call themselves "agnostic". But militant atheists cannot spend 1 day without thinking about the non-existence of God, and that´s delirious!

Do you even KNOW what agnostic means? Atheists by definition believe no God exists, whether they're indifferent to it or not. Agnostics by contrast aren't sure if God exists or not...completely different thing. And, I would describe myself as a fairly militant atheist (to the extent that I will defend my beliefs if someone else tries to force their own upon me ;)) but I can go days without thinking about the non-existence of God! It doesn't dominate our lives anywhere near as much as you would think...we are only this way because the churches of the world constantly insist we conform. Adverts on buses and the like telling us to welcome God into our lives...but no, as soon as we unite, we are decried as trying to force our beliefs upon you all. Pure f***ing hypocrisy or what? :rolleyes: