Sorry, but I totally disagree. Apart from anything else, Biggs has spent the last 8 years in prison, so, I would say he's been punished for his crime... How many years will these scum who kidnapped and gang-raped that young girl in East London spend inside do you think mate....? Sorry, but I personally consider that to be a far worse crime than anything Biggs and the Train robbers did..... And I simply do not buy that Biggs somehow "caused" the death of Jack Mills (who died of Leukaemia which has nothing to do with a fukkin' head injury...), which is the reason why people are saying this punishment is justified.... If Mills had died from an aneurysm or a haemmorhage, then yeah, you could argue the toss, but he didn't, and his death was 7 years after the fact anyway.... How on earth can Biggs be expected to feel remorse for someone dying of a type of cancer which kills younger, fitter people than Mills anyway....? And how can he be expected to say sorry for an assault he himself never actually carried out....? Ridiculous.....

 

No, sorry, this is simply cruel and unusual punishment, vindictively being meted out because Biggs made the British Establishment look like tits for years..... Anyway, he's not gonna be free FFS, he's going to a Hospice to die..... Not exactly wandering he streets is it.....?

 

Jack Straw is wrong, and he's a hypocrite.... I seriously hope the EU Court overturns this ridiculously vindictive judgement, because I dont feel that this was actually judged on the merits of the case, merely on the fact of Biggs being Biggs.....

Eh? I was saying Straw was right about Tweedy not Biggs. In the Biggs case he reverted to type and got it wrong.

At the end of the day, I'm basically of the view that only the truly evil deserve to die in prison... Examples of the Truly Evil would be - Michael Sams, Peter Sutcliffe, Myra Hindley, Ian Brady....

 

Ronnie Biggs is simply not even close to being in this league..... He's a villain, a crook certainly... But he's 'old skool' crook, not a fukkin' nonce, a rapist or a Kiddle Fiddler.... So, I dont think he deserves to be punished in the manner Jack Straw is dishing out.... And this IS Jack Straw by the way, not really the Jusitice system or the Parole board who are happy to actually allow him to be let out to die in some dignity, under certain conditions obviously... I dont see what the big deal is tbh, I dont see why they just cant let him go to the Hopsice or Old Folks home under some sort of 24-hour guard if they're really that paranoid that he's gonna abscond...

 

Jack Straw's motives, I believe, are purely political, not anything to do with "justice".....

Eh? I was saying Straw was right about Tweedy not Biggs. In the Biggs case he reverted to type and got it wrong.

 

Oops, read it wrong. My bad.....

 

I'm not convinced he was right about Tweed either.... Okay, I guess you can argue that it would be cruel on Jade... So, in that case, what you do is let him out on special licence, and then yank him back in to serve the rest of his time after, say, a month after the funeral.... He was "let off" on that other assault that he committed as well.... The law bent over backwards to accommodate a piece of trash like Jack Tweed simply because of his minor celeb wife...... And it's not as if HE can claim to have committed his assaults while carrying out a robbery... He just hurts people because he likes to, which makes him a lot worse than someone like Biggs.....

 

Just done a bit of checking... Turns out that the other notorious Train Robber, Buster Edwards, served 9 years in prison and got out in 1975.... So, seems odd to me that Straw seems to think that keeping Biggs in prison until he dies, after already being inside for a cumulative stretch of 9 years (the one year he did originally, and the 8 since 2001), is somehow justified.... So, it really MUST be more to do with the fact that Biggs made the establishment look stupid rather than the actual crime itself.....

 

 

Tell that to Ernest Saunders then.... They let HIM out with a FAKE illness....... <_< Oh, but of course, Saunders was probably a fukkin' MASON anyway..... -_-

 

Ronnie Biggs is no threat to anyone, frankly, he's dying and IMO, it's totally inhumane of any Govt to let someone as genuinely seriously ill as Biggs die in prison..... The Parole Board made a perfectly sound recommendation, and the Establishment, being spiteful and not liking the fact that Biggs rubbed their noses in their ineptitudes for years, are just vindictively punishing him whereas they probably wouldn't punish someone else who hadn't taken the p!ss out of them....

 

 

It's not the same situation at all... Mills was hit just the once (and not even BY Biggs, which is the whole point, even the investigating officers never thought that the likes of Biggs or Edwards were responsible for the assault..), I believe Jack Tweed repeatedly assaulted a 16 year old with a golf club, and not even for any particular reason..... Besides, Biggs has been in prison since 2001 I believe... Which would be 8 years give or take.... What did Jack Tweed get....? Nothing even close to that.....

 

Totally disproportionate punishments, IMO....

 

 

Jack Straw is a stinking, great fukkin' hypocrite who sold out his principles long ago.... How do you square letting Pinochet off the hook for a supposed "illness" then, which was fake anyway....

 

Pinochet - Murdered over 10,000 Chileans and was wanted for the murders of 9 Spanish citizens

Biggs - Robbed a train.....

 

Yeah, right, it's really "punishment fitting crime" innit..... :rolleyes:

 

im totally with scott on all these points.

im totally with scott on all these points.

 

Wow, I'm surprised tbh mate.... I thought you'd be all "let the bugger rot in prison"...... :lol:

 

 

 

Wow, I'm surprised tbh mate.... I thought you'd be all "let the bugger rot in prison"...... :lol:

 

nope, wasnt sure at first but reading through the thread and listening to all points made...you win! :lol:

 

initially my thoughts were 'why not' let him out, hes dying, hes old, he is no danger and he isnt even a killer, your argument nailed it for me.

initially my thoughts were 'why not' let him out, hes dying, hes old, he is no danger and he isnt even a killer, your argument nailed it for me.

 

Exactly, he's just an old, dying bloke who robbed a train 40-odd years ago... He's NOT the fukkin' Yorkshire Ripper or the Moors Murderers.... Hell, he's not even as bad as the Krays or 'Mad' Frankie Fraser......

 

Certain people deserve to die in prison without dignity..... Ronnie Biggs is not one of those, imo.....

 

Exactly, he's just an old, dying bloke who robbed a train 40-odd years ago... He's NOT the fukkin' Yorkshire Ripper or the Moors Murderers.... Hell, he's not even as bad as the Krays or 'Mad' Frankie Fraser......

 

Certain people deserve to die in prison without dignity..... Ronnie Biggs is not one of those, imo.....

 

Well I think he should stay where he is. If he's so frigging ill ... does it bloody matter where he is? He's hardly aware of his surroundings is he? The only thing I disagree with is Straw's reason for not letting him out.

 

If he'd have served his years while he was in his relative youth - then fair enough - I'd have agreed with parole ... but the crafty beggar only came back when his money ran out ... and the bloody Brazilian government only extradicted him when he couldn't contribute to their economy any more!

 

Norma

Well he is now legally a free man, but I doubt he will live long enough to make use of it. Read today where he was critising the soft prisons culture, that they let lags sit around all day and take drugs, when they should be taught new skills. You have to laugh.

The new Ernest Saunders ? seems to have perked up amazingly since his release

 

 

 

http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/article.aspx?cp-...entid=149077922

 

 

reat Train Robber Ronnie Biggs is vowing to "live on to spite those who want me dead" after being released from prison on compassionate grounds.

The People published pictures of the 80-year-old former fugitive celebrating his birthday and first full day of freedom in the hospital where he is being treated for chronic pneumonia.

Biggs - who was freed on Friday by the Justice Secretary after doctors concluded he was extremely ill - told the paper: "I don't have much strength but I'll keep on fighting."

He added: "I've got a bit of living to do yet. I might even surprise them all by lasting until Christmas - that would be fantastic. I'll live on just to spite those who want me dead."

 

 

 

 

Strange how someone who the media have portrayed as being unable to talk after a series of strokes and being at death's door can suddenly give media interviews where he is talking to a journo :mellow: :mellow:

Edited August 9, 200915 yr by B.A Baracus

The new Ernest Saunders ? seems to have perked up amazingly since his release

http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/article.aspx?cp-...entid=149077922

reat Train Robber Ronnie Biggs is vowing to "live on to spite those who want me dead" after being released from prison on compassionate grounds.

The People published pictures of the 80-year-old former fugitive celebrating his birthday and first full day of freedom in the hospital where he is being treated for chronic pneumonia.

Biggs - who was freed on Friday by the Justice Secretary after doctors concluded he was extremely ill - told the paper: "I don't have much strength but I'll keep on fighting."

He added: "I've got a bit of living to do yet. I might even surprise them all by lasting until Christmas - that would be fantastic. I'll live on just to spite those who want me dead."

Strange how someone who the media have portrayed as being unable to talk after a series of strokes and being at death's door can suddenly give media interviews where he is talking to a journo :mellow: :mellow:

It doesn't say that he actually spoke to the journalist though. It could have consisted of questions like "Would you say that you've got a bit of living to do yet?" with a nod of the head as a response. I know that sort of thing happens, it happened to me when I was a local councillor. If Biggs does last until Christmas that would hardly be on a par with Saunders who is still acting as a business consultant nearly twenty years after supposedly being diagnosed with Alzheimer's.

It doesn't say that he actually spoke to the journalist though. It could have consisted of questions like "Would you say that you've got a bit of living to do yet?" with a nod of the head as a response. I know that sort of thing happens, it happened to me when I was a local councillor. If Biggs does last until Christmas that would hardly be on a par with Saunders who is still acting as a business consultant nearly twenty years after supposedly being diagnosed with Alzheimer's.

 

That is exactly my thoughts after reading the piece in the Sunday People.

The new Ernest Saunders ? seems to have perked up amazingly since his release

http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/article.aspx?cp-...entid=149077922

reat Train Robber Ronnie Biggs is vowing to "live on to spite those who want me dead" after being released from prison on compassionate grounds.

The People published pictures of the 80-year-old former fugitive celebrating his birthday and first full day of freedom in the hospital where he is being treated for chronic pneumonia.

Biggs - who was freed on Friday by the Justice Secretary after doctors concluded he was extremely ill - told the paper: "I don't have much strength but I'll keep on fighting."

He added: "I've got a bit of living to do yet. I might even surprise them all by lasting until Christmas - that would be fantastic. I'll live on just to spite those who want me dead."

Strange how someone who the media have portrayed as being unable to talk after a series of strokes and being at death's door can suddenly give media interviews where he is talking to a journo :mellow: :mellow:

 

That's just a bunch of cr@p Craig.... like suedehead says, even if he does last til Christmas (and let's face it, he probably wont, this sounds purely like someone putting on a brave face) and and ultimately rather impotent show of defiance, then it's only a matter of months, not years as with Saunders or Pinochet, who are still (unfortunately) very much with us despite their so-called "illnesses".... Biggs isn't lying about having had multiple strokes ffs..... He IS pretty much on death's door.....

 

That's just a bunch of cr@p Craig.... like suedehead says, even if he does last til Christmas (and let's face it, he probably wont, this sounds purely like someone putting on a brave face) and and ultimately rather impotent show of defiance, then it's only a matter of months, not years as with Saunders or Pinochet, who are still (unfortunately) very much with us despite their so-called "illnesses".... Biggs isn't lying about having had multiple strokes ffs..... He IS pretty much on death's door.....

Erm, Pinochet popped his clogs in 2006. And good riddance to the bast*rd.

tbh i dont care wether or not he lives for yonks... theres much worse crims being let out early. scott was right earlier in the thread, its the authorities jumping down on him hard as he made arses of them for years...

I just wish they'd have said 'toodle pip son - all's forgiven .... you can live out the rest of your life in Brazil ... if they want you now you've got no money'. Like I said ... he only came back for the free health care. And he has received and will continue to receive excellent care until the day he dies .... unlike other hard-working old folk who've abided by the law and paid their taxes for a lifetime!

 

Believe me ... it isn't the nature of his crime that makes me detest this man so much ... it is this making himself out to be a 'hero of the people' (which many here on Buzzjack seem to want to visualise him). I wish he'd have stayed free but rotted in Brazil.

 

On a betting front ... I'd say he's got another five years in him ... all at the taxpayers expense. I'm wondering what his son does for a living too!

 

Norma

I'm wondering what his son does for a living too!

 

He runs a football academy in Brazil which helps young Brazilians wanting to move abraod become more adaptable to European football and life. He's also a musician.

He runs a football academy in Brazil which helps young Brazilians wanting to move abraod become more adaptable to European football and life. He's also a musician.

 

Good for him! Now that his dad is free ... maybe he can take him to live with him in Brazil.

 

Norma