The lyrics aren't exactly complex, deep...

 

:lol: :lol:

 

No argument there....

 

It baffles me why La Roux get so much hype, and yet Client, who are miles better, can hardly even sell a record in their own country (UK), they sell a lot in Continental Europe though, particularly France, Germany and Scandinavia....

 

Oh, but then Client dont exactly go around talking absolute gobsh!te within earshot of about 40 music journos... Perhaps if they did, they'd sell 100,000 records too, but Client, fools that they are, just concentrate on the music and making records, same for the likes of Depeche Mode, Ladytron, etc..... -_-

 

So, yeah, La Roux's success is based primarily upon hype and PR.....

I personally find the vast majority of RnB these days bland and extremely irritating. I agree with La Roux to a degree, because it's so over exposed on the music channels (much more than anything else) (the PR and purpose so-called shock tactics are another thing)

 

But it doesn't have to be this way...

 

 

Back in 1992, it wasn't about how big your crib/tits/wallet was, it was about a sense of attitude and style BUT most importantly, dynamite tunes. En Vogue were shortlived but still wipe the floor with any RnB tat this decade has had to offer. Destiny's Child have had the occasional decent moment, but they don't even come close.

Edited July 9, 200916 yr by ScottyEm

:lol: :lol:

 

No argument there....

 

It baffles me why La Roux get so much hype, and yet Client, who are miles better, can hardly even sell a record in their own country (UK), they sell a lot in Continental Europe though, particularly France, Germany and Scandinavia....

 

Oh, but then Client dont exactly go around talking absolute gobsh!te within earshot of about 40 music journos... Perhaps if they did, they'd sell 100,000 records too, but Client, fools that they are, just concentrate on the music and making records, same for the likes of Depeche Mode, Ladytron, etc..... -_-

 

So, yeah, La Roux's success is based primarily upon hype and PR.....

So many acts do that, even the deepest of the underground. -_-

How could you even expect them to make more records as well? :lol:

EDIT: Oh, I forgot, gigs. :lol:

Edited July 9, 200916 yr by FM11

:lol: :lol:

 

No argument there....

 

It baffles me why La Roux get so much hype, and yet Client, who are miles better, can hardly even sell a record in their own country (UK), they sell a lot in Continental Europe though, particularly France, Germany and Scandinavia....

 

Oh, but then Client dont exactly go around talking absolute gobsh!te within earshot of about 40 music journos... Perhaps if they did, they'd sell 100,000 records too, but Client, fools that they are, just concentrate on the music and making records, same for the likes of Depeche Mode, Ladytron, etc..... -_-

 

So, yeah, La Roux's success is based primarily upon hype and PR.....

 

 

Complete agreement - it's criminal that a genuine bona fide FABULOUS electropop band like Client are sidelines when pop, albeit good pop, like La Roux rules the airwaves.... Client could write something as inconsequential as 'Bulletproof' in their sleep.....

 

As for someone else here saying Elly of La Roux was jealous because she'll never be "a sexy RnB star"... oh dear. Oh dear..... I think Elly is extremely happy she doesn't have to whore herself to shift units... plus, she's sexier than ANY of these sluts who parade their flange in toe-curling RnB videos - all of which these days look EXACTLY the same.... tedium on tap, that's RnB... and she was completely right about RnB... it's utterly devoid of ANY real emotion.... soulless 'soul' muzak for people who really don't know too much about real soul music..... I resent the fact they've stolen the term RnB, too.... RnB to me and most music lovers means something totally different to the bland, boring titsandass nonsense we're bombarded with these days........

:lol: :lol:

 

No argument there....

 

It baffles me why La Roux get so much hype, and yet Client, who are miles better, can hardly even sell a record in their own country (UK), they sell a lot in Continental Europe though, particularly France, Germany and Scandinavia....

 

Oh, but then Client dont exactly go around talking absolute gobsh!te within earshot of about 40 music journos... Perhaps if they did, they'd sell 100,000 records too, but Client, fools that they are, just concentrate on the music and making records, same for the likes of Depeche Mode, Ladytron, etc..... -_-

 

So, yeah, La Roux's success is based primarily upon hype and PR.....

 

Totally agree. Why is it that the new popstars today who have the biggest gobs are the ones most likely to be lacking in talent. Isn't it funny how Lily Allen has kept her gob a lot more shut for promoting her largely excellent second album, compared to her mockney god daughter of Ian Dury patchy debut.

 

At least back in the 1980s if a mouthy new popstar came on the scene then they needed the talent to match, otherwise they'd get slaughtered by decent music journalists (the David Hepworths, Tom Hibberts, Danny Kellys, Danny Bakers of the day) or be eaten alive by withering & bitchy comments by big mouths with the talent to match (the Morrisseys, Boy Georges, Pete Burns of the day). I wonder what Belouis Some or Owen Paul are doing now. :lol:

 

Anyway Client are also big in former Soviet satellite states:

 

Client - Can You Feel (2009 Latvia #1, Lithuania #4, Top 20 in Finland, Germany, Austria)

 

In my head this track blows anything La Roux has done out of the water, as I think this is a vastly superior slice of electropop. But what do I know.

 

What on EARTH do Client have to do with La Roux? Completely different acts with very different styles of pop. You're comparing apples to oranges. I find La Roux much more appealing than Client, but that's really beside the point. Very, very different approaches to music here.

 

So, yeah, La Roux's success is based primarily upon hype and PR.....

 

Then why is a similar act to La Roux, Little Boots, who has had equal the amount of hype if not more flopping miserably? Maybe people see something in her music that you don't? I'm not trying to equate talent with sales or anything like that, but La Roux has done a pretty incredible feat in not only creating music that is pop through and through, appealing to the masses and such, but also something that is getting a lot of acclaim from indie journalists / bloggers / etc. A feet which not a lot of pop artists can do.

 

I dunno. I find her endearing and I think she makes really great, balls out pop music with fantastic lyrics. And I think it's rather impressive that she's done it while being a rather left field pop artist. I'm not saying she's this huge innovator or anything, but she's not what you think of when you think of the term "pop star". She's not a looker. She looks funny. Her music is odd at times (you wouldn't hear Quicksand on a Lady Gaga album). And I really doubt the fact that she's selling records because she's making statements like R&B is soulless. If anything, she's losing them by the looks at this thread, though I really don't think that what she's said warrants her being called a c**t.

What on EARTH do Client have to do with La Roux? Completely different acts with very different styles of pop. You're comparing apples to oranges. I find La Roux much more appealing than Client, but that's really beside the point. Very, very different approaches to music here.

But both of them are considered synth/electropop (not that either are superior), why the comparison.

 

Ironically, I'm listening to Client now. :lol:

 

Edited July 9, 200916 yr by FM11

Yeah, but Client are more close to the likes of Ladytron, etc...I wouldn't compare La Roux to Ladytron. :/ Lawlz.

Yeah, but Client are more close to the likes of Ladytron, etc...I wouldn't compare La Roux to Ladytron. :/ Lawlz.

 

I think you're missing your genres completely here...

 

La Roux is EXACTLY what La Roux are trying to achieve - plinky, electropop with flimsy vocals and even flimsoer lyrics.

 

Ladytron are a slightly heavier end of the genre that's all - but to say La Roux is totally different to Client? Utterly wrong - Client, La Roux, Ladytron, some Goldfrapp..... it's all electropop - how on earth can you miss this??? :lol:

I think you're missing your genres completely here...

 

La Roux is EXACTLY what La Roux are trying to achieve - plinky, electropop with flimsy vocals and even flimsoer lyrics.

 

Ladytron are a slightly heavier end of the genre that's all - but to say La Roux is totally different to Client? Utterly wrong - Client, La Roux, Ladytron, some Goldfrapp..... it's all electropop - how on earth can you miss this??? :lol:

Client and La Roux are like chalk and cheese. Difference in age. A difference in style too add to that different synthesizers and totally contrasting lyrics. Just because they both use synth doesn't make them automatically similar. That's a bit of a generalisation no? More differences than similarities.

 

I love La Roux for her music but I can see she's quite evidently a product of the moment, what's in fashion etc We shall whether she can maintain her success with her second album. She's obviously talented so I expect more good stuff from her.

Of course it's all electropop, but that's a fairly vast genre is it not? If I was to compare La Roux to more underground/indie acts, it'd probably be bands like The Knife (Deep Cuts era) or Junior Boys and not Ladytron.

 

I'm not going to go into the Arctic Monkeys forum or a Kasabian thread and wonder why bands like Dirty Projectors or the New Pornographers aren't as famous as they are. They're all indie rock; they play guitars, bass, drums, etc. but it's a really off base comparison.

What on EARTH do Client have to do with La Roux? Completely different acts with very different styles of pop. You're comparing apples to oranges. I find La Roux much more appealing than Client, but that's really beside the point. Very, very different approaches to music here.

 

Client and La Roux are broadly speaking, the same genre mate... The same way that Metallica, Iron Maiden and Lamb of God are all, broadly speaking, Metal bands, even if they have different approaches, you'd still say that they were the same genre, wouldn't you....?

 

As far as I'm concerned, and I've always said this, the level of arrogance in a pop star has to be roughly equivalent to the amount of talent and skills..... Lady Ga Ga has far more right to be arrogant than Elly does, because, she's vastly more talented in terms of musicianship (as she's a classically trained pianist) and her abilities as a songwriter (I mean, let's face it, Ben writes all the actual music in that band, so he'd probably have more of a right to be arrogant..)... I'd be absolutely shocked if Elly actually knew how to write a single note of music or had the ability to play the triangle or a comb and paper tbh. I'd have far less of a problem with Elly if she didn't spout so much cr@p about this or that.... I mean, I dont care about her opinions on r and b tbh, but the things she said about women deserving to be hit (or worse) if they wear a short skirt, oh come on, that is just SO MUCH BULLSH"T it's not even amusing, and the fact that so-called "journalists" aren't even taking her to task for it..... <_< She'd get on a lot less peoples' nerves if she shut the hell up and just got on with the music, imo.....

 

It really is a crying shame when the stupid sh!t an artist says in a press interview somewhat overshadows the tunes.... I say, if you've nothing particularly intelligent to say (and, sorry, but saying that women deserve to be hit for wearing a short skirt is about as UN-intelligent a thing as anyone CAN say..), let the music do the talking, and everything else will sort itself out...

Client and La Roux are like chalk and cheese. Difference in age. A difference in style too add to that different synthesizers and totally contrasting lyrics.

 

In the Metal forum, in the same threads, we can often discuss bands as "different" as Slipknot, Slayer, Iron Maiden, Nightwish, Lacuna Coil, etc, during the course of a discussion..... Now, all these bands have differences in individual style, but they are all under the same, broad, METAL umbrella...... So, I really, really dont think it's quite so outlandish to talk about La Roux, Client, Ladytron, or even Depeche Mode within the same broad discussion.....

 

Well Client's Sara Blackwood is an electro/synth pop veteran with Client having released 4 albums on top of her excellent 1990s band the wonderful Dubstar who released three albums before splitting.

 

Dubstar - Not So Manic Now

 

I'd like to see Ely come up with a female Morrissey type lyrics about being raped (and take the song into the UK Top 20), instead of her current banalities. Whose lyrics so impressed a certain Bob Dylan, that he played it on his radio show.

 

Whereas Ely is the daughter of a well known British actress (Trudie Goodwin) from the long running cop drama The Bill, and La Roux started off as a Nick Drake meets All About Eve ethereal folk outfit before (some might say cynically) jumping on to the "Electropop 2.0" bandwagon.

 

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00810/bill_682_810163a.jpg

 

If only Adam & Joe's Vinyl Justice Police were still around.... :lol:

 

Vinyl Justice - Gary Numan

 

 

I think you two need to realise Scott and myself, me especially, have followed the genre for close-on 30 years - I'm an electropop fanatic if truth be told..... to say these 2 bands are not similar or, laughably, like 'chalk and cheese' is absolute, utter, misguided nonsense.

 

From Fad Gadget, Cabaret Voltaire, Yazoo through to the modern day regurgitation of electropop that La Roux, Client, Ladytron et al give us - it's kind of my speciality. A vast genre? Absolutely not. The only sub-genre is electroclash - which is much more pulsing and club-orientated, the Superstar DJ Gigolo brigade. See also Miss Kittin, The Hacker, Tiga... electroclash as a genre kind of died about 7 or 8 years ago - but the acts I've mentioned have all evolved and still make fabulous music (well, apart from the recently-released Miss Kittin and the Hacker album which is astonishlingly terrible).

 

The Client lyrics - Jake, check them out, singles and albums - I think La Roux have been following the girls' careers closely.... in fact, ESPECIALLY lyrically. In honesty, La Roux pales into insignificance next to Client.... but that's my opinion.

 

As for age difference... ahem... La Roux is basing EVERYTHING around a sound and visual style that originated some 30 years ago - without changing a note or a hairstyle. I've mentioned here before.... wehy buy the La Roux album when Yazoo's 'Upstairs at Erics' is still available..... a.nd different synthesisers? I thgink you'll find La Roux uses mainly analogue synths - EXACTLY the same ones used by Yazoo, early Depeche Mode, Soft Cell, Fad Gadget (in fact - you need to check out Fad Gadget's 'Under the Flag' album, too - the backing tracks are almost identical to at least half of La Roux's debut album)

 

And comparing La Roux to The Knife (ANY era)?

 

Oh dear - there's the mark - you're WAY off it.

As for age difference... ahem... La Roux is basing EVERYTHING around a sound and visual style that originated some 30 years ago - without changing a note or a hairstyle. I've mentioned here before.... wehy buy the La Roux album when Yazoo's 'Upstairs at Erics' is still available..... a.nd different synthesisers? I thgink you'll find La Roux uses mainly analogue synths - EXACTLY the same ones used by Yazoo, early Depeche Mode, Soft Cell, Fad Gadget (in fact - you need to check out Fad Gadget's 'Under the Flag' album, too - the backing tracks are almost identical to at least half of La Roux's debut album)

 

La Roux compared to Yazoo.

 

Let's go back to 27 years ago, younger members I urge you to watch this clip:

 

Yazoo - Don't Go (Live 1982 UK#2)

 

Male synth player tunesmith & female vocalist lyricist: Check

The red hair of Alison Moyet: Check

Vince Clarke hairstyle: Check

Androgynous look & image: Check

The same plinkety plonkety analogue synths: Check

I think you two need to realise Scott and myself, me especially, have followed the genre for close-on 30 years - I'm an electropop fanatic if truth be told..... to say these 2 bands are not similar or, laughably, like 'chalk and cheese' is absolute, utter, misguided nonsense.

 

From Fad Gadget, Cabaret Voltaire, Yazoo through to the modern day regurgitation of electropop that La Roux, Client, Ladytron et al give us - it's kind of my speciality. A vast genre? Absolutely not. The only sub-genre is electroclash - which is much more pulsing and club-orientated, the Superstar DJ Gigolo brigade. See also Miss Kittin, The Hacker, Tiga... electroclash as a genre kind of died about 7 or 8 years ago - but the acts I've mentioned have all evolved and still make fabulous music (well, apart from the recently-released Miss Kittin and the Hacker album which is astonishlingly terrible)

 

I think you're completely underestimating the size of the genre which you claim you're a fanatic of. Music has drastically changed in the past 30/20/10 years, especially anything related to pop/electronic music. Music is vast now, practically any genre of music now will have thousands upon thousands of bands that could be easily placed into it through the power of the internet. And even if two artists may fit under the same umbrella, you can't just relate the two, especially when genres are such an arbitrary concept. Client and La Roux clearly approach music in a completely different manner, just because they both use synths does not make them relevant to one another. I'm not saying not to bring up other artists and whatnot, but like I mentioned earlier, mentioning Client in a La Roux thread would be like mentioning The New Pornographers or Grizzly Bear in a Kasabian thread. It's irrelevant and bitter, and seems like just another chance to moan about how Client should be far more popular (which is getting incredibly old).

 

And I know Client. Lights Go Out is a fairly good track. And I'm not going to try and debate which of the two are better because my opinion on that is fairly obvious, but comparing La Roux and Client is really stretching it. There are much more relevant comparisons.

 

As for age difference... ahem... La Roux is basing EVERYTHING around a sound and visual style that originated some 30 years ago - without changing a note or a hairstyle. I've mentioned here before.... wehy buy the La Roux album when Yazoo's 'Upstairs at Erics' is still available..... a.nd different synthesisers? I thgink you'll find La Roux uses mainly analogue synths - EXACTLY the same ones used by Yazoo, early Depeche Mode, Soft Cell, Fad Gadget (in fact - you need to check out Fad Gadget's 'Under the Flag' album, too - the backing tracks are almost identical to at least half of La Roux's debut album)

 

I think you misinterpreted what Jake said; I think he was merely pointing out the fact that Client appeal to a much older crowd and are older themselves, whereas as La Roux is younger and I'm presuming most of her fanbase is primary younger people. She rose to popularity through a mainly electropop label called Kitsune (who have released material by HEARTSREVOLUTION, Chew Lips, Crystal Castles, Metronomy, Simian Mobile Disco, The Whip, Yelle, The Whitest Boy Alive, Digitalism, Cut Copy, etc.) which are all acts who's fanbases are primarily late teenagers / people in their early 20's. Two very different audiences here.

 

And comparing La Roux to The Knife (ANY era)?

 

Oh dear - there's the mark - you're WAY off it.

 

:/ I think the comparisons are quite clear. I'd be incredibly shocked if La Roux have not heard "You Take My Breath Away". "I'm Not Your Toy" is obviously inspired by The Knife, as well as "Cover My Eyes" (Pass This On, Parade, etc.) I think it's a more relevant comparison than Client...

 

Actually, just out of curiosity I looked up La Roux on Myspace, and their listed inspirations:

 

Influences Michael Jackson, Prince, David Bowie, The Knife, Justice, Eurythmics, Sebastien Tellier, Tears for Fears, Blondie, CLOR, Postal Service, Human League, Chaka Khan, Depeche Mode, Kitsune, Gary Numan, Hot Chip, The Cure, Mr Oizo, Blancmange, SebastiAn, Talk Talk, Doris Troy, Tom Vek, CSS, George Michael, YAZOO, Boys NOize, Joni Mitchell, Madonna (early), CHROMEO OH OH (i love you). TEPR, Heaven 17.

 

Just saying.

 

Anyway, I know I'm not convincing anyone here, but I figure I'd least try to get my point across more clearly. Of course La Roux are inspired by Yazoo, etc. and I've never claimed she's doing something completely new and innovative. There's nothing wrong with inspiration? :/ I'm sure Yazoo have their own inspirations. However, it is something that is fairly different from what most other pop acts are doing these days (RedOne, Timbaland), and her look certainly stands out as well. I'm not claiming they're anything groundbreaking, but it's something that's refreshing to see?

Client appeal to a much older crowd and are older themselves, whereas as La Roux is younger and I'm presuming most of her fanbase is primary younger people. She rose to popularity through a mainly electropop label called Kitsune (who have released material by HEARTSREVOLUTION, Chew Lips, Crystal Castles, Metronomy, Simian Mobile Disco, The Whip, Yelle, The Whitest Boy Alive, Digitalism, Cut Copy, etc.) which are all acts who's fanbases are primarily late teenagers / people in their early 20's. Two very different audiences here.

 

Client is a fluid line-up - 2 of them are older, yes.... the floating third member always seems to be far younger... and don't forget Client A runs and DJs at the premier electro club in Britain, Being Boiled.... (http://www.myspace.com/beingboiled) as well as other nights around the country.... so their audience, in their homeland and Europe at least, is a vast variety of ages, the old and the new if you like.

 

Whilst they're more or less a hidden secret in their homeland, the fans they have seem to be pretty fanatical - young and old. Perhaps the Depeche Mode connection lumps them in with the older crowd in America? I know a friend of mine in San Diego saw Client there and the audience was mainly older. Not the case in Europe.

 

The statement that Client should be bigger you say is "getting old". Ahem.... please... whilst Client keep on releasing fantastic singles (and even better albums) that Radio One and Joe Public ignore because they're over 30 (and because Radio One and Joe Public are, on the whole, rather stupid and closed to anything they don't see in trashy mags and dumb music stations)..... the statement will NEVER, as you so inanely put it, 'get old'. What tosh.

 

I know and love Kitsune... on their mailing list, too.... and seen some of the acts you've mentioned live - some many times... again.... audiences more mixed in age than most gigs I've seen.... the younger ones attending because of the resurgence in popularity of electropop in the charts and the clubs, the older ones there because they were there for the originals, and the old electropop fans are a faithful lot. Plus, seeing the young upstarts have a go at it is always great entertainment - in a good way (well, apart from The Whip who, at best, can be described as pretty terrible live).

La Roux started off as a Nick Drake meets All About Eve ethereal folk outfit before (some might say cynically) jumping on to the "Electropop 2.0" bandwagon.

 

:lol: :lol:

 

Now, that's interesting.....

 

And, do my eyes deceive me, or is that kind of a "flock of seagulls" hairstyle I see Elly sporting in that pic you put up Rich......? :lol:

And I know Client. Lights Go Out is a fairly good track. And I'm not going to try and debate which of the two are better because my opinion on that is fairly obvious, but comparing La Roux and Client is really stretching it. There are much more relevant comparisons.

 

I think you misinterpreted what Jake said; I think he was merely pointing out the fact that Client appeal to a much older crowd and are older themselves,

Actually, just out of curiosity I looked up La Roux on Myspace, and their listed inspirations:

 

I really, really dont see what difference age makes mate.... So, taking your amazing logic into another genre, then we shouldn't compare Slipknot to Slayer simply because of the age gap.....? :lol: :lol: That's just ridiculous mate....

 

And I would ask you, have you actually been to a Client gig.....? I have, several times, the best time being in Germany, and trust me, there were absolutely LOADS of young folks there who were utterly mad for it... They're NOT an "old persons" band... The only reason for this perception is the age fascism policy adopoted by popular radio stations such as Radio One.... In Continental Europe, esp Germany, this sort of ridiculous notion doesn't exist, hence why acts such as Depeche Mode, The Prodigy and Client are much bigger and better regarded than they are in their own country.....

 

I've just thought of another band who are miles better than La Roux (and again, dont get picked up by the Cowell-loving massive out there..), IAMX, who are frankly superb (formed by an ex-member of Sneaker Pimps in early 00s, so, yeah, another 'over 30s' band I suppose you'd describe them as...). Go listen to THEM....