I wonder why Man in Black has been appearing as all these other people, I reckon he just gets bored and likes f***ing with people's minds.

Pretty much. He appears as all these different people for the same reason he appeared as Locke to Ben, to manipulate someone into doing something for his own gain. I guess he wanted Shannon and Niki to die because he hated them, wanted Eko to ask for forgiveness, wanted to lead Jack to water etc etc.

Edited February 16, 201015 yr by Daniel Gleek

woah the ending was quite mind f***.

 

the numbers, is that what they mean, is that what the numbers were leading up to? or is that just another factor in the number mystery.

 

and f***, is man in black not the evil one? im really interested what his purpose is.

 

trying to get my head around it: everyone on the island is there for a reason, the reason is they are candidates (hand picked by Jacob, i dont think everyone who came to the island, and not everyone on flight 815 came to the island, they only came to make it feasable for the candidates to come to the island), Jacob leaves the island to hand pick them, which I think is also what happened to Richard (who is a candidate I think), and possibly Ben, although I think maybe Dhama was a big mistake Jacob didnt mean/want to happen which is why there was the incident. So they are all there because they are candidiates, that is why they are on the island, and if Jacob is the protector of the island, what is MiB? is he a candidate aswell and just not saying? How did he and Richard get their powers, or why did Jacob give them these powers.

 

MIND f***ED.

 

wait, are only the ones shown at the numbers candidtates? what about Kate? has Kate and anyone else who is still about and a non-candiate, why are they on the island? shouldnt it just be the candidates, or have they just got stuck. MIND f***.

 

 

i think the whole thing has just been a massive game to mark who becomes the next Jacob, basically, whoever survives wins and is the next Jacob.

 

 

 

although then again, maybe this is all bollocks, Richard said everything MiB tells Sawyer is bollocks, I think the whole thing has been a massive game of chess between MiB and Jacob, and everyone is a pawn in it.

 

 

i want to know something more about the stones on the scales aswell, MiB obviously threw the white stone in the sea because the white was Jacob and he is now dead, did the scale mean that Jacob and MiB were balanced, but now they arent as the white stone no longer exists to balance it out? - or is that just part of an inside joke between MiB and Jacob.

 

 

 

 

 

oh and a smaller interesting thing, Helen said a wedding with Locke's dad, so Locke is on good terms with his dad, so he wasnt paralysed the way he was in the original timeline?

 

 

 

Were really starting to find the meaning of the show with them all being handpicked by Jacob meaning thats why there on the island.

I think this is an alternate unvierse that was created by the bomb not just simpy a different timeline. Hints at this is Locke being on good terms with his father, Hurley having good luck instead of bad, Sawyer being happy (not how someone would act after they have just killed someone). Also, it seems to be a universe where the Losties have found peace and happiness - Locke discovering that he can be happy without the ablity to walk and can now accept doing things that he can do (like Rose said) instead of chasing what he cannot. Not to mention he has found peace with the love of his life. Hurley is a millionaire without the bad luck and with a bucket load of confidence, Kate has evaded the police and has made a connection with Claire and Aaron, who are also happily together instead of being seperated like in the nomal Lost universe and Sun has no plans on leavin Jin (accoring to Darlton on the official podcast) so their marraige is most likey not on the rocks.

 

An interesting theory that I like is that the show could possibly finish with the end of the normal universe with the Losties finding their peace or 'destiny' in the alternate one (a bit like Susannah, Eddie, Jake and Olly did in The Dark Tower series if you have ever read it) and judging by episode titles the current format will continue for a while yet, so I can see the Losties 'crossing' into the other universe in the finale.

 

Anyway this is episode was good, but didn't blow me away. It was certainly interesting and teased at the bigger picture - now that looks f***ing mindblowing - also nerdy teacher Ben is simply the best thing ever and Frank's one liner about Locke's funeral being the wierdest he's ever been to was amazing. I love Frank.

 

The numbers thing is definitely interesting (but I knew about the revelation that a number would be assigned to each Lostie, however I didn't know it was regarding candiates) and to be fair, while it was interesting, it wasn't mind blowing for me as Jacob's touch marking them as special and bringing them to the Island was somthing a lot of people thought was the case. It's just another piece in the bigger puzzle of what it all means. What I'm most intrigued about is the boy. Who the f*** is he?

 

Also Claire is No. 313 I think and Kate's name is no where to be seen on that wall.

Edited February 17, 201015 yr by Daniel Gleek

yes the boy was interesting, and interesting that Sawyer saw him and Richard didnt, could be to do with what side your on? (Jacob or MiB), but who was the boy refering to (who cant MiB kill? seeing as Jacob isnt dead).

Who the hell is man in black?

Who the hell is man in black?

 

Fake Locke.

yes the boy was interesting, and interesting that Sawyer saw him and Richard didnt, could be to do with what side your on? (Jacob or MiB), but who was the boy refering to (who cant MiB kill? seeing as Jacob isnt dead).

When he said he broke the rules I think it was regarding Jacob, I will have to re-watch that scene, but if the boy said "You can't kill him" then he's probably talking about Sawyer. Also seeing Richard scared was lol funny.

 

The thing I really loved about this episode was the sequence following the smoke monster's POV. I loved it, I didn't want it to stop :D

Fake Locke.

And the smoke monster.

When he said he broke the rules I think it was regarding Jacob, I will have to re-watch that scene, but if the boy said "You can't kill him" then he's probably talking about Sawyer. Also seeing Richard scared was lol funny.

 

The thing I really loved about this episode was the sequence following the smoke monster's POV. I loved it, I didn't want it to stop :D

 

yeah that was a cool little sequence.

I knew about the numbers thing for a while, but it was such a massive reveal. I like the ambiguity of who is the bad guy and who is the good guy - I actually think neither of them are good and neither of them are bad. The Candidate thing is interesting, and tonight I truly think there is no way back for John Locke. I think as this season goes on, the candidates are going to be crossed off, and the only person I can see being THE candidate is Jack. At least I thought this, but I truly believe him and Kate are Adam & Eve, so i'm maybe still thinking the true candidate is Locke. Jacob i'm sure is the one who crossed off the other people, but MiB crossed off Locke's - i'm still pretty sure Locke is actually inside MiB's body, at least some part of him.

 

Was a pretty top notch episode. Richard's turned into a bit of a panzy, he looked in general fear of MiB. Really wish we'd see more of Richard. Also the boy, it looks like Jacob, at least that's what i'd say. Could possibly be Aaron I guess? Although that's clutching at straws too much I think. The ALT storyline I find a little tedious at times, but there has got to be some bigger purpose to it, i'm just not sure what. I'm pretty sure that timeline will end up being the real timeline in the end though.

I knew about the numbers thing for a while, but it was such a massive reveal. I like the ambiguity of who is the bad guy and who is the good guy - I actually think neither of them are good and neither of them are bad. The Candidate thing is interesting, and tonight I truly think there is no way back for John Locke. I think as this season goes on, the candidates are going to be crossed off, and the only person I can see being THE candidate is Jack. At least I thought this, but I truly believe him and Kate are Adam & Eve, so i'm maybe still thinking the true candidate is Locke. Jacob i'm sure is the one who crossed off the other people, but MiB crossed off Locke's - i'm still pretty sure Locke is actually inside MiB's body, at least some part of him.

 

Was a pretty top notch episode. Richard's turned into a bit of a panzy, he looked in general fear of MiB. Really wish we'd see more of Richard. Also the boy, it looks like Jacob, at least that's what i'd say. Could possibly be Aaron I guess? Although that's clutching at straws too much I think. The ALT storyline I find a little tedious at times, but there has got to be some bigger purpose to it, i'm just not sure what. I'm pretty sure that timeline will end up being the real timeline in the end though.

Agree with you about the alt timeline being dull at times, and I also think it will be the real timeline in the end. Have you ever read The Dark Tower series before? Lost is heavily influenced by it (calling the smoke monster the Man In Black being one of the many examples) and funnily enough Stephen King sold the rights to JJ because he was so impressed by the scale of Lost, and thought the Lost team would tackle the book series well, and for a while JJ and Darlton were going to adapt it into movies after Lost finished, but they aren't anymore. Anyways I can see them following a similar ending - Jack being forced to remain on the Island as Jacob, constantly repeating the cycle that the Man in Black talked about over and over again, whereas everyone else gets to be 'freed' and have the cycle (or the game) end in the alt timeline.

Edited February 17, 201015 yr by Daniel Gleek

I've never read The Dark Tower series but I do know they draw a lot of inspiration from Steven King, and especially that series.

 

I have this inkling feeling that MiB wants to destroy the island. When he mentioned there was nothing to protect, I gathered he was lying. Surely there has to be something to protect, and there has to be some underlying purpose for him and Jacob being on the island. I actually don't think when MiB referred to Richard being "in chains" he was referring to Richard being on the Black Rock. I think it was more a metaphor for Richard following Jacob's orders, and now Jacob is dead he is free to do whatever he wants.

 

It's really bugging me though how the temple is supposedly the safest place on the island now, yet the smoke monster apparently lived there. Weird.

Was a pretty top notch episode. Richard's turned into a bit of a panzy, he looked in general fear of MiB. Really wish we'd see more of Richard. Also the boy, it looks like Jacob, at least that's what i'd say. Could possibly be Aaron I guess? Although that's clutching at straws too much I think. The ALT storyline I find a little tedious at times, but there has got to be some bigger purpose to it, i'm just not sure what. I'm pretty sure that timeline will end up being the real timeline in the end though.

 

would be too old to be Aaron i'd say, being a young jacob slightly crossed my mind but i dont think so, also that slightly crossed my mind, one of the kids who were on the tail section of 815 who became an other.

 

I've never read The Dark Tower series but I do know they draw a lot of inspiration from Steven King, and especially that series.

 

I have this inkling feeling that MiB wants to destroy the island. When he mentioned there was nothing to protect, I gathered he was lying. Surely there has to be something to protect, and there has to be some underlying purpose for him and Jacob being on the island. I actually don't think when MiB referred to Richard being "in chains" he was referring to Richard being on the Black Rock. I think it was more a metaphor for Richard following Jacob's orders, and now Jacob is dead he is free to do whatever he wants.

 

It's really bugging me though how the temple is supposedly the safest place on the island now, yet the smoke monster apparently lived there. Weird.

 

on the protection thing, I think MiB might not of been bull$h!tting, I think maybe its a game that got a bit to out of hand, all it is - is just an island, I was thinking all the supposed power the island had, might jsut of been Jacob, but then again there was the donkey wheel that could move the island, so who knows.

 

 

still mindf***ed from the episode tbh.

I definitely think it was a young Jacob, or perhaps there are even bigger players in regards to the island who we've not yet learnt about? The young Aaron thing was only a clutching at straws moment, but I think it's potentially plausible as i'm still hoping there's some major significance for Aaron in the end-game of the show.

 

I don't think the island is just an island either. It moves through time, has healing powers etc. - there has to be some larger significance to the bigger picture. I don't believe for one moment that the "war" that is coming is all for nothing. And I don't believe for one moment MiB is telling the whole truth about just wanting to go home.

I agree that the MiB is probably lying and manipulating Sawyer at the moment, but where is home exactly? Egypt?

 

And I think maybe there are people who overlook the game, like an Judicator, and they step in when someone breaks the rules.

 

Yeah, good point about the Temple, I really have no idea about that other than maybe at one point they worshipped the Man in Black, but then for some reason they switched to supporting Jacob.

Edited February 18, 201015 yr by Daniel Gleek

I think Walt is meant to be the next Jacob.

I think they probably thought Walt was going to be the next Jacob. But I don't get why they kidnapped him (well actually I do, because it was the writers excuse for him to disappear and not notice his growth). I just want to know why Walt had special powers. I do hope they tie that up before the show ends. But I don't think he's going to be the next Jacob. It's either Locke (still not saying he's out of the question), Sawyer, Jack, Hurley, Sayid or Sun/Jin. It begs the question though, why did Jacob touch Kate if she wasn't ever going to be a suitable candidate? They definitely emphasied the fact that he touched all of the 815ers. Maybe Jacob needed Kate for something.

 

But i'm 100% convinced Jack is going to be THE candidate. Number 23? Isn't there some great meaning behind this number anyway? I could honestly see the final moments of the show showing Jack become the new Jacob and the process of finding Jack's sucessor starting again. Or they're going to blow up the island, or try and get the two timelines to meet and hope the island is destroyed. If you think about it, everyone whose found their way to the island has really had their life manipulated to be there by Jacob and i'm not sure really how many of them actually want to be there. Remember Room 23? There's got to be some other significance to that, as it basically was a brainwashing machine.

Interesting little episode. It was obviously a nice set-up for next weeks episode and MiB storming the temple (to "claim" Sayid i'm guessing).

 

So we're to take it Jacob's manipulating all the Losties now. Obviously Jack must have some great higher significance. I think we're meant to believe that Jack not having his son is why Jack's life is such a misery on the island imo. Although it's a strange one. David's mother is obviously a character we already know. Why do I have this inkling feeling it's Juliet? I think the episode pretty much confirmed as well that Adam & Eve are NOT Jack and Kate. The timetravel theory thing was put to rest imo.

 

Badass Claire is great as well. She really has gone loopy. I knew her "friend" was always going to MiB, but she was portrayed as being a complete nutter, and I definitely got that impression from her. Also one last thing, i'm going to assume that MiB was NEVER impersonating Christian at any given moment.

I want to know why Jacob has been watching them via the lighthouse, obviously because their candidates, but what was the point in watching them via the lighthouse, and as Hurley doesnt know about candidates etc I thought he would of asked Jacob about why he had been watching, I would of asked that if I was Hurley anyway, theres definatly someone higher than Jacob though.

 

I love mental claire, I wonder why she would kill Kate for taking Aaron? she had good reason to, you know starting with the fact that Claire had completly f***ed off at that point, so what should Kate just leave Aaron on his own on an island thats about to dissapear, unless it's the darkness she now has that would make Claire kill her, but I think it's just being almost alone on the island for 3 years that has made her gone nuts.

 

Interesting theory on MiB never being Christain, surely he could of turned into him to manipulate claire and possibly Jack?, although I definatly think Christian has been alive on the island, which is why he isnt in his casket, so yeah maybe you're right as MiB appears as the dead.

 

 

interesting when Jack in flash sideways didnt know his appendix had been taken out, there is definatly some crossover with flashsideways Jack and original Jack, sort of like where he recognised Desmond but not where from.

also candidates from the lighthouse:

 

* Rousseau crossed out at number 20.

* Austen at number 51. Austen is not crossed out and was not shown in the scene in the cave in "The Substitute."

* Burke crossed out at number 58.

* Faraday crossed out at number 101.

* Lewis crossed out at number 104, which is different from The Substitute where she has number 140.

* Rutherford crossed out at number 32, which is different from The Substitute where she has number 31.

* Wallace crossed out at number 108.

* Friendly crossed out at number 109.

* Linus crossed out at number 117.

* Dawson crossed out at number 124.

* Littleton crossed out at number 313.

* Horton crossed out at numbers 98 and 112.

* Stuart Radzinsky crossed out at 106.

* Thomson crossed out at 107.

* Klein crossed out at 111.

* Lambert crossed out at 116.

* Bargas crossed out at 115.

* Worden crossed out at 113.