I definitely think the Desmond thing will be brought up again, but not for a while I don't think. Hoping to find out soonish as he's such a good character. Was suprised to see him in the main cast list though? On all the ABC promo stuff he's not been listed as being a main star...

 

iirc the Black Rock came from England, so maybe some of the slaves might be white. Who knows, i'm sure we'll find out. I definitely think Richard will die at some point, purely because I don't think he can (or wants) to live forever. I'm very interested to see his backstory though (I know which episode it is) and find out just how and why he is as he is.

 

I think there must have been other inhabitants on the island, probably Egyptians, although why Jacob and Man in Black are kept on the island who knows. I'm unconvinced that Jacob is a good guy as well. It's being set-up that way at the moment though. Terry O'Quinn was fantastic in this episode I thought. I actually think he portrays the Man in Black quite well, although it was so weird when he was talking about Locke's last thoughts as he is Locke!!! I still hold hope that he'll come back though, I think the only way that is plausible is if the two timelines meet each other (which i'm vvvv.certain they will do at some point).

I want to know why Richard hasnt died of old age, i assume it's because his body is still about 30, but why does he have this power, he obviously got it from Jacob, but how and why does Jacob have this power, and why did he give it to Jacob?

 

also, going back to Richard being in chains as a slave, how has man in black only seen him with chains? he has known he has lived all this time because when he was underneath the statue he asked for Richard, so he knew of his exsistence quite well, knows his name etc, recognises him etc, he wasn just another slave to the man in black obviously, so why hasnt man in black seen him without chains, as he must of seen him a considerable amount. did Richard become a slave to the man in black? (and possibly jacob, or other inhabitants of the island?).

 

 

and yes, Terry O'Quinn has been amazing throughout all 6 seasons, but has really shined the last few, I hope he has a healthy career ahead on the back of Lost.

Perhaps Richard hasn't died because of the Temple? I don't know what Jacob saw in Richard, but whose to say his eternal youth could be a curse, rather than a gift? It's an interesting proposition.

 

About the Man in Black, well, for a long time he was trapped in the cabin (presumably by Jacob) - but then again if he is the smoke monster then how do we account for him being out and about in the jungle at random periods in times? I'm not sure. It's another interesting point that I hope the writers will bring up. Gahh can't wait till next weeks episode already!

Perhaps Richard hasn't died because of the Temple? I don't know what Jacob saw in Richard, but whose to say his eternal youth could be a curse, rather than a gift? It's an interesting proposition.

 

About the Man in Black, well, for a long time he was trapped in the cabin (presumably by Jacob) - but then again if he is the smoke monster then how do we account for him being out and about in the jungle at random periods in times? I'm not sure. It's another interesting point that I hope the writers will bring up. Gahh can't wait till next weeks episode already!

Maybe there was a break in the ash that no one knew about, so he used that to his advantage to sneak out and start putting in place his mater plan. The only problem is why would he keep returning to the cabin if the ash was broken? Maybe he was under a spiritual sort of house arrest by Jacob, so he could only go a certain distance from the cabin; so somehow the Man in Black found a way to move the cabin with him to get to certain parts of the Island, which is possibly why it kept moving all the time and that is why no one could tell where it was going to be?

Edited February 4, 201015 yr by Daniel Gleek

Well wow am I confused :lol:! That was indeed brilliant though. I really dont know where to start here.....anyway, loving the alternative timeline storyline (despite how difficult it is trying to explain it to someone who doesnt follow Lost!). Was great to see Charlie, Claire, Boone, Artz and the likes again. Desmond is just a mystery though and the scene between Jack & Locke was brilliant.

It was good to see Juliet again, but I wouldnt say she had the best of death scenes. Meeting the 'new Others' at the Temple was interesting though, i'd also forgotten Cindy and the kids existed :lol: And Syed's mysteriously alive again, and the monster is Jacob's enemy! That was all brilliant.

Richard in chains is very very interesting though. It was definatly a fantastic start to the last season and definatly makes me unable to wait for the next episode :w00t:

Well wow am I confused :lol:! That was indeed brilliant though. I really dont know where to start here.....anyway, loving the alternative timeline storyline (despite how difficult it is trying to explain it to someone who doesnt follow Lost!). Was great to see Charlie, Claire, Boone, Artz and the likes again. Desmond is just a mystery though and the scene between Jack & Locke was brilliant.

It was good to see Juliet again, but I wouldnt say she had the best of death scenes. Meeting the 'new Others' at the Temple was interesting though, i'd also forgotten Cindy and the kids existed :lol: And Syed's mysteriously alive again, and the monster is Jacob's enemy! That was all brilliant.

Richard in chains is very very interesting though. It was definatly a fantastic start to the last season and definatly makes me unable to wait for the next episode :w00t:

Totally, I watched again on Friday and my mum kept asking questions like, "Oh I don't get it how can they be there [on the Island] and on the plane at the same time." I just said don't worry your head about it :lol:

 

Oh, and these Others aren't new, they are the people that Eko and Jin saw during Season Two, where all we saw was their creepy feet, the ones who helped kidnap Jack, Kate, Sawyer and Hurley at the end of Season Two and the ones that helped defeat the mercenaries in Season Four. The ones that are associated with the Whispers. They were in the background during Season One (the whispers were heard in Solitary and Outlaws and other early Season 2 episodes). They are the old school tribe of Others that didn't move to the Barracks when Ben took over. I'm pretty sure everyone is now all part of the same tribe after everyone left the Barracks in Season Three, they are like one big happy family living in the Temple together.

Edited February 7, 201015 yr by Daniel Gleek

Ah right of course! That all makes sense now...well as much sense as anything will make in Lost :P

I thought they were the Season 2 Others too, but then I thought about Cindy... she's gone through a rapid transformation since we last saw her. Although I guessn 3 years has passed since she presumabley (sp?) went to the Temple.

 

The new alternate timeline excites me so much. It's very confusing, but there's got to be some sort of major thing behind it. I think the two timelines will have to intersect at some point, or someone (my money's on Jack) will start having memories about the island etc.

Sorry Aled, ignore all of what I said, you are right they are new Others. Just checked Lostpedia, and they are known as the 'Temple Dwellers' who are a small group of Others who protect the spring. All the incidents I talked about; the kidnapping of Jack, Kate, Sawyer and Hurley, the attacking of the mercenaries etc were all carried out by the normal, main tribe of Others.

 

So this is like a really brief history -the Others moved into the Barracks and DHARMA stations after the Purge, and then all moved out again when they were compromised towards the end of Season Three because of the freighter. For the rest of Season Three, as we know, they were travelling to the Temple, where they spent most of Season Four hiding out to protect themselves from the Mercenaries. At the end of the Season they returned again to help the Losties defeat the Mercernaries as a last favour to Ben and then stayed to greet their new leader Locke. When the Island moved they lived alone for three years, in a camp on the beach. Which is where Fake Locke, Ben and Sun found them at the end of Season Five and the rest, as they say, is history :P

Edited February 7, 201015 yr by Daniel Gleek

I thought they were the Season 2 Others too, but then I thought about Cindy... she's gone through a rapid transformation since we last saw her. Although I guessn 3 years has passed since she presumabley (sp?) went to the Temple.

 

The new alternate timeline excites me so much. It's very confusing, but there's got to be some sort of major thing behind it. I think the two timelines will have to intersect at some point, or someone (my money's on Jack) will start having memories about the island etc.

I don't know how Cindy became part of the 'Temple Dwellers' but she, Zach and Emma must have become members sometime during Season Four when the main tribe of Others were briefly hiding out in The Temple to avoid the Mercenaries. Although I think it's been strongly hinted by Darlton that there are different fractions of the Others (for instance the 'Temple Dwellers' who we didn't meet until last episode) so it's not unreasonable to think that those Season Two Others weren't part of the main tribe and most likely are the hardcore, original Hostiles (but that is just a theory, as of now we have to assume they are part of the main tibe). Another question is why do the whispers only accompany some of the Others, like the ones in Seasons One and Two, and not other members?

 

If you want to read more about The Others here's a link to the lostpedia page http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_others

 

Also yeah I think Fox said something about these two timelines meeting up a third of the way through the season, and from then on, the story would be told in a linear fashion, with no flashbacks or anything. Although I somehow doubt they will stop flashbacks. Jack has already begun to have a wierd sense of Déjà vu, and my guess is that he somehow teams up with Desmond to try and get "Everyone back to where they are supposed to be (i.e on the Island in the correct time period)" which sounds a lot like the "We have to go back!" storyline which they have already done. But how will the timelines merge? That's what I'm looking forward to seeing.

Edited February 7, 201015 yr by Daniel Gleek

Slighty dissappointing, although the Kate centric episodes are always the worst.

 

Some pretty powerful acting from Josh Holloway. I'm glad we're starting to find out more about the new Others, although i'm still pretty confused about the "sickness". If we're lead to believe Claire is also sick, then surely the Temple is a place for judgement and either Jacob or MiB chooses which side you're on? Obviously at some point Sayid is going to turn AWOL, like Claire already has. Was not liking the lack of Richard, Locke and Ben in this episode that's for sure.

another good episode, not as good as last weeks, but it never is after the season opener,

 

am i the only one thinking claire and kate are gonna get it on in the flash-sideway? so much sexual tension there. i love when kate went to the house with claire and the woman said she didnt want the baby any more and kate was like 'she came all the way from austrailia and you didnt call thought a fight was gonna break out there and then. go kate etc.

 

oh and Ethan :o :o etc, I suppose baby Ethan got off the island before it sunk then, question is when did it sink? when the bomb went off or later? if later then how, or did they realise it was sinking and were like mums and babies innit.

 

oh and something interesting i read but didnt spot, claire's ultrasound, the date on it was a month later than the crash of 815 on the real timeline.

 

 

 

what im most interested from this episode though, is the infection, is this the same one that wiped out all of Rousseau's crew? How did Claire get it? wasnt she being protected by Jacob etc? Is her encounter with Jacob how she got it? What sort of darkness is this? is the darkness something todo with MiB/Smoke Monster who seems to have a large amount of darkness about him? I hope due to the cliffhanger we have a claire-centric episode next explaining what has happened to her since we last saw her follow Christian Shepard in Season 4 (or when she was in Jacobs Cabin that one time).

Slighty dissappointing, although the Kate centric episodes are always the worst.

 

Some pretty powerful acting from Josh Holloway. I'm glad we're starting to find out more about the new Others, although i'm still pretty confused about the "sickness". If we're lead to believe Claire is also sick, then surely the Temple is a place for judgement and either Jacob or MiB chooses which side you're on? Obviously at some point Sayid is going to turn AWOL, like Claire already has. Was not liking the lack of Richard, Locke and Ben in this episode that's for sure.

 

especially after the end of last episode, I think were getting a Richard-centric episode this season, looking forward to that, and seeing more about how he got to his position he is in now from being in chains.

Richard centric is coming up soon. People are going mad raving about the episode already. Is going to be up there with the best episodes of Lost apparently.

 

I think the Claire and Kate stuff is showing us, whatever happens, Kate is going to play a part in Aaron's life. Did you see Kate's reaction when Claire said Aarpn? Weird. The more I think about it as well, maybe Danielle was infected, and that's why the Others let her run AWOL around the island, just like they've obviously done with Claire for the past 3 years. I'm pretty sure Claire died in Season 4 when the Barracks were stormed. Miles sensed something was up with her then - just like he's pretty funny around Sayid at the moment.

 

The more I think about it, it's probably likely the island sunk in the ALT timeline either in 1977, or just after 1977. Ethan will have been off the island anyway as DHARMA had already evacuated all women and children off the island

Richard centric is coming up soon. People are going mad raving about the episode already. Is going to be up there with the best episodes of Lost apparently.

 

I think the Claire and Kate stuff is showing us, whatever happens, Kate is going to play a part in Aaron's life. Did you see Kate's reaction when Claire said Aarpn? Weird. The more I think about it as well, maybe Danielle was infected, and that's why the Others let her run AWOL around the island, just like they've obviously done with Claire for the past 3 years. I'm pretty sure Claire died in Season 4 when the Barracks were stormed. Miles sensed something was up with her then - just like he's pretty funny around Sayid at the moment.

 

The more I think about it, it's probably likely the island sunk in the ALT timeline either in 1977, or just after 1977. Ethan will have been off the island anyway as DHARMA had already evacuated all women and children off the island

 

hmm interesting theory on Danielle being infected, but has she had enough 'darkness' about her though, i'm interested to see what Claire is like right now, she is obviosuly capable of killing, which i dont reckon she was before, does she know she is claire, does she remember everything pre-infection? what has changed about her? how did she react when the darkness took over her, Dogan said that sayid wouldnt be the person they knew before, so is it almost like it is someone else in their bodies when they have this darkness taken over?

 

forgot about the evacuation, supose seeing Ethan was just a coincidence/nod or was he there because he is still some how connected. maybe the island still has some sort of power.

just read an interesting theory. appearences of Christian Shepard, Yemi, Boone etc post-dead = Man in black?

I read an interesting theory earlier, siimilar to that. The Man In Black claims his "followers" by people who die on the island and are not buried properly. It probably explains the appearances of the likes of Yemi, Christian, Harper etc. on the island. I know a long time ago there was something alluded about the Others and how they're very careful in disposing of their dead. Interesting theory. Looking forward to it all being explained.

just read an interesting theory. appearences of Christian Shepard, Yemi, Boone etc post-dead = Man in black?

Yeah Darlton confirmed that Walt appearing to Shannon, the other apparitions (Ben's mom, Christian etc.) and that spider that bit Niki are all the smoke monster. And as we now know the Man in Black is the smoke monster this is pretty much correct.

 

That theory Rooney does sound interesting and I wouldn't be surpised if that turns out to be the case.

 

Oh, and What Kate Does sucked big time. Apart from the ending and Josh Holloway's amazing acting on the dock (the first time I felt an emotional bond between Sawyer and Kate in a long time) this episode was a contrived, poorly written and poorly structured mess. The dialogue for Hurley and Miles in particular is pretty bad. The Temple scenes are wearing fast already and I can't stand the Temple Others. Combined with one of my least favourite flashbacks/forwards/sideways, it is definitely up there as one of my worst all-time Lost episodes.

 

I think episodes like this shows that when Lost is on the ball, it's unmissable television, but when it's bad it's just plain awful.

Edited February 16, 201015 yr by Daniel Gleek

I wonder why Man in Black has been appearing as all these other people, I reckon he just gets bored and likes f***ing with people's minds.

Ah yes. Kate centric episodes are never partically a highlight of any series. This episode was a bit filler really, as nice as the Kate & Claire scenes were. Agreed on the Temple Others, already a bit sick of them, hopefully not too centric for an episode or two again. Absence of Ben, Flocke etc was felt aswell tbh.