No-one should get these new identities in my honest opinion. Waste of money. They did the crime then let them suffer the consequences if they come out and someone gets them. If they'd not offended no-one would be after them would they? Like the Bulger killers, someone should have got them before now, new identities or not, someone must know who and where they are. If I were a private detective I'd try to find them and post their identities on a few Net forums! Bodies found down dark alleys late at night and job done. :P Don't think the cops would be too bothered about apprehending the culprits. Probably give them a medal! My wife says there's no such thing as these new identities in the Philippines where she comes from. A guy had murdered a kid in her town when she was young and came out of jail 30 odd years' later to vanish a few days' afterwards. It was common knowledge that the kids' brothers got him but what did the cops do? Nothing, gave them a pat on the back probably! An eye for an eye.

Edited August 15, 200915 yr by Crazy Chris

An eye for an eye.

And everyone would be blind...how on EARTH you manage to come out with such idiotic statements that have been lampooned time and time again without feeling embarrassed, I'll never know.

And everyone would be blind...how on EARTH you manage to come out with such idiotic statements that have been lampooned time and time again without feeling embarrassed, I'll never know.

 

We just give Chris enough rope, and he just keeps hanging himself..... :lol:

 

Like the Bulger killers, someone should have got them before now, new identities or not, someone must know who and where they are. If I were a private detective I'd try to find them and post their identities on a few Net forums! Bodies found down dark alleys late at night and job done.

 

What the fukk does this have to do with Baby P Chris...??? You really are an imbecile if you cant see that there is HUGE gulf of difference between what happened there and what happened with Baby P.... <_< Thomson and Venables were themselves abused and neglected KIDS.... In this case you're talking about ADULTS who really should have impulse control, know what I mean....?

 

Prat.....

 

Although it's a fairly interesting parallel that all three adults apparently suffered very similar childhoods to Thomson and Venables - which, in itself, gives interesting implications to the Bulger case. After all, if it makes adults capable of such monstrosities then what on earth did people expect from children?

Although it's a fairly interesting parallel that all three adults apparently suffered very similar childhoods to Thomson and Venables - which, in itself, gives interesting implications to the Bulger case. After all, if it makes adults capable of such monstrosities then what on earth did people expect from children?

Quite. Thompson and Venables should never have been tried as if they were adults. An adult with a mental age of ten would not be tried for murder. Therefore, a child with a mental age of ten should not be tried for murder.

Although it's a fairly interesting parallel that all three adults apparently suffered very similar childhoods to Thomson and Venables - which, in itself, gives interesting implications to the Bulger case. After all, if it makes adults capable of such monstrosities then what on earth did people expect from children?

 

As adults we make choices that we really cant as children... Children of that age dont really understand their actions have consequences, therefore, I'm prepared to forgive Thomson and Venables... These three on the other hand, are absolutely irredeemable as adults, as adults, they have the resources to seek help and counselling for their problems, to try and be decent individuals to fight their un-natural and sick urges to harm and abuse defenceless children, they surely must know that it's wrong to rape a fukkin' TWO YEAR OLD.... <_<, and if they dont, well, they want locking up anyway... Plenty of people who were abused as kids DO get the help they need to get over what happened to them and live productive lives, these three individuals made choices (ie, to not bother their arses to get help and fight their twisted urges), and therefore are absolute vile monsters who deserve all that's coming to them, the two "men" especially....

 

I can excuse a child or an adult with a mental age of a child, I cannot excuse an adult....

As adults we make choices that we really cant as children... Children of that age dont really understand their actions have consequences, therefore, I'm prepared to forgive Thomson and Venables... These three on the other hand, are absolutely irredeemable as adults, as adults, they have the resources to seek help and counselling for their problems, to try and be decent individuals to fight their un-natural and sick urges to harm and abuse defenceless children, they surely must know that it's wrong to rape a fukkin' TWO YEAR OLD.... <_<, and if they dont, well, they want locking up anyway... Plenty of people who were abused as kids DO get the help they need to get over what happened to them and live productive lives, these three individuals made choices (ie, to not bother their arses to get help and fight their twisted urges), and therefore are absolute vile monsters who deserve all that's coming to them, the two "men" especially....

 

I can excuse a child or an adult with a mental age of a child, I cannot excuse an adult....

 

fully agree ...... thompson and venables were kids, victims of abuse themselves and victims often play out their abuse, hence the use of dolls when they question little kids about sex abuse.

 

but there comes a time when as adults you have to start taking responsibility for your life and dealing with anything amiss in your past. long before 18 you KNOW the difference between right and wrong. barker was evil, he showed no signes of ever changing.

I can excuse a child or an adult with a mental age of a child, I cannot excuse an adult....

 

which bit does crazy chris fit? :lol:

Quite. Thompson and Venables should never have been tried as if they were adults. An adult with a mental age of ten would not be tried for murder. Therefore, a child with a mental age of ten should not be tried for murder.

 

 

Sorry but have to disagree. A ten year-old knows the difference between right and wrong. Anyone like Grimley who has "forgiven" those two needs their head examining. :wacko: Doubt James' parents have. They should have been jailed FOR LIFE, the whole of their lives, until they die. James' life was cut short wasn't it? Why should they be allowed out to have a normal life, get married, have kids? Same goes for Baby P's killers. They should be in for the whole of their lives too. We're too soft in this country.

Edited August 16, 200915 yr by Crazy Chris

We just give Chris enough rope, and he just keeps hanging himself..... :lol:

 

 

How exactly? I just said that, in my opinion, we shouldn't give these new identities. Other people disagree I accept that.

What the fukk does this have to do with Baby P Chris...??? You really are an imbecile if you cant see that there is HUGE gulf of difference between what happened there and what happened with Baby P.... <_< Thomson and Venables were themselves abused and neglected KIDS....

 

 

That still doesn't excuse what they did to James. :angry: It has something to do with the Baby P case because we were discussing new identities in this thread mostly. Many kids are abused, sexually, physically and emotionally but how many go out and kill a toddler? Those two were and still are, pure evil.

Edited August 16, 200915 yr by Crazy Chris

I really need to wash now as feel so dirty saying this but I kind of agree with Crazy Chris here

 

I am anti death penalty but at the same time I am very strongly in favour of a WHOLE LIFE tariff for murder, and this includes Thompson and Venables, Denise Bulger is serving a whole life tariiff without her son so Thompson and Venables should have stayed in jail till they die, they were not even in jail they were in a secure unit with tv, Playstation and so on

 

Someone who is 10 knows what they are doing, I iknew the difference between right and wrong at 10 I iknew that it is totaly wrong to take the life of another person so they have no excuse

 

I don't think being abused is even 1% justification to become an abuser be it the Bulger killers, Baby P killers, Huntley or anyone else

 

Thompson and Venables should have got a whole life tariff along with Baby P killers

That still doesn't excuse what they did to James. :angry: It has something to do with the Baby P case because we were discussing new identities in this thread mostly. Many kids are abused, sexually, physically and emotionally but how many go out and kill a toddler? Those two were and still are, pure evil.

Nobody is saying that it excuses their behaviour but it does help to explain it. You have absolutely no evidence to say that Thomson and Venables are pure evil. Your are just spouting Sun-style rubbish again. Is there any evidence that they have re-offended since their release? No. They are out on license so, if their is any suggestion that they have reoffended, they can be returned to prison.

Nobody is saying that it excuses their behaviour but it does help to explain it. You have absolutely no evidence to say that Thomson and Venables are pure evil. Your are just spouting Sun-style rubbish again. Is there any evidence that they have re-offended since their release? No. They are out on license so, if their is any suggestion that they have reoffended, they can be returned to prison.

 

Punishment is as important infact more important than rehabillitation, the focus on Venables and Thompson has been on rehabillitation whereas they have been insufficiently punished for what they did

Edited August 16, 200915 yr by B.A Baracus

Punishment is as important infact more important than rehabillitation, the focus on Venables and Thompson has been on rehabillitation whereas they have been insufficiently punished for what they did

They lost half of their childhood. That's a pretty hefty punishment.

I really need to wash now as feel so dirty saying this but I kind of agree with Crazy Chris here

 

I am anti death penalty but at the same time I am very strongly in favour of a WHOLE LIFE tariff for murder, and this includes Thompson and Venables, Denise Bulger is serving a whole life tariiff without her son so Thompson and Venables should have stayed in jail till they die, they were not even in jail they were in a secure unit with tv, Playstation and so on

 

Someone who is 10 knows what they are doing, I iknew the difference between right and wrong at 10 I iknew that it is totaly wrong to take the life of another person so they have no excuse

 

I don't think being abused is even 1% justification to become an abuser be it the Bulger killers, Baby P killers, Huntley or anyone else

 

Thompson and Venables should have got a whole life tariff along with Baby P killers

 

 

Fully agree B.A. Life should mean WHOLE LIFE. Every murder. No exception. No 15 years and this crap, parole for good behaviour. Those lads, men whatever they are now should STILL BE IN JAIL and Baby P's killers should stay there until they die too.

They lost half of their childhood. That's a pretty hefty punishment.

 

 

Oh my heart bleeds for them! :angry: James lost the rest of his life. :angry:

Nobody is saying that it excuses their behaviour but it does help to explain it. You have absolutely no evidence to say that Thomson and Venables are pure evil. Your are just spouting Sun-style rubbish again. Is there any evidence that they have re-offended since their release? No. They are out on license so, if their is any suggestion that they have reoffended, they can be returned to prison.

 

 

There was a strong rumour in 2006 that Thompson is in an Irish jail for killing his pregnant girlfriend in 2004. He went to Ireland in 2001. He himself says he IS Thompson but the Garda (Irish police) and British Home Office say he isn't him. Well they would. Look at a pic of Thompson 10 and this guy in 2006 and there's a great resemblance.

They lost half of their childhood. That's a pretty hefty punishment.

 

You are the ultimate do gooder mate :manson: the criminal's friend -_-

 

Losing a few years of their childhood watching tv and playing Playstation games does not compare with the childhood Jamie Bulger lost by losing his LIFE :rolleyes:

Edited August 16, 200915 yr by B.A Baracus