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I've thought of an idea for a chart feat a while back and wanted to make a list of songs to do it too, but I'm not sure where to get the database to do so and how to do it so I'll just say it. I was thinking about some chart stuff, and one was songs that top the end of year list, without topping the weekly charts. Love the Way You Lie is the only song to do it here, US did it a few times with Dua Lipa's Levitating as the most recent example in 2022, and the same year Yuuri's Dry Flower did the same in Japan. I wondered what songs never reached #1 on the weekly charts, but could've been #1 of a different time period, longer period and odd starting points. While there's sales data to do this for any range of time and see what would make it on a longer timescale, I thought about if no raw numbers were possible, you can take it to the extreme and see if a song could've possibly been #1 [only over an integer number of chart weeks though]. If each week a single charted, all songs above and including it were basically tied for units, and all songs below it sold pretty much 0 copies, than the only way for the song not to have possibly be #1 was if there was another song that was higher than it during every week it charted! So I want to find out the songs that could have (even in the loosest sense possible) possibly been the #1 of a multiweek time period The idea is in order to reach #1, not a single... well single could have charted higher than it during every week it's whole chart run. I think of it like when a song charts, it has a set of songs charting above it, and each week it charts, if a song from the initial list falls below it, it's removed from the list, and if there's no songs in the list left, it possibly hit #1, with the first week of the list of songs being empty is dated as when it possibly reached #1. This would include: every weekly #1 #2's and #3's that are blocked by songs that fell or will fall below it at some point (or even if the weekly #1 wasn't released when it first charted) Songs that spend a long time on the chart Most songs that get multiple chart runs over years since it's unlikely that the same song has been charting higher than it during those periods, except Holiday music when the same holiday standards chart higher than the song each time I'm not sure how to go about this, I'm guessing I need -a database of the weekly UK Chart: I think the most feasible options are web scraping the OCC site, or if some website out there has like a year-by-year compilation of every chart that year with separators between each field, and I can do some horrific spreadsheet bullshit. -Writing the code: I think I need to make a list of vectors, where the entries are like [Position, Week, Song Identifier...] and then I could run if any song is in the intersection of songs constantly charting above it but not sure what the most efficient way of going about that is lol. If any1 has any resources or thoughts or anything else let me know.

Is the EOY 200 posted or available anywhere, so annoying that the OCC tempts us by publishing the top 100 using the 200 stats

Has any1 kept track of the artists who got 3 lead credit singles on the chart at once since mid 2017 when the rule took place? It'd be fun to see who'd done it before! It's interesting seeing smaller acts do it, I remember Bo Burnham doing so in 2020 without making the top 40 which is very surprising!

Are these dated by when the Entry opens?

I think a 70 streams:1 sale ratio might be natural if only 10 streams/day count (although I highly doubt any1 buying a single streams it 10 times a day), also make free and premium streams equal, although I'd probably see how I could use the insider data, like how many listens are in the average single purchase, how many unique listeners vs. streams etc. I think listens should be prioritised over songs earnings, people with less money who aren't as able to purchase streaming services or singles should have the same count as people who do, although there are people who have access to neither electronic devices nor physical singles and just listen to the radio so radio audience should maybe count but that's a whole other thing. I think the cool thing about sales only though is that unconventional singles could hit high the charts like O Superman probably wasn't a radio smash or being spun in homes like a Madonna song was, but it still reached #2! Part of the push and pull of whether it's better to be exciting to follow or to be accurate. To prevent songs not hitting the top 40/10/#1 because of bad timing, I'd have ACR based off how long ago it peaked rather than when it entered the chart Get an initial chart based off of only units and make the changes starting at #1 and working down -If its peak was recent, like within the last 3-6 weeks (including current week), keep it there no matter what -If the peak was before that and it was released around a season ago, take a cut of units off -Different numbers for older songs possibly, like maybe x0.8 for songs released w/in the last year and x0.4 for songs with the last 3 years or maybe it's peak needs to be w/in a shorter period or something like that, not sure if it's better to have a gradual system or a category based on release date buckets I think it's tricky trying to balance the charts, a chart with no restrictions just the units is incredibly static and seems unmaintained: like when I see the Global 200, it's sorta like the Spotify or iTunes or genre charts meant for glancing at how high ur fave is time to time or to use for commercial trending or something and not actually watching it weekly; while too many rules can seem arbritary, like just that companies whim. That's the battle between Chart Watching and making the Chart seem credible

Ooh interesting, I want to ask -What are the list of Northern Irish #1's, the OCC made a list for Ireland, Scotland and Wales but not NI yet -For the countries with few acts like 15 or less, can you list them out? Interesting to know who are the acts from unrepresented countries -Which definition is used for country, given that the UK is split into the constituents

+5 Murder On The Dancefloor - Sophie Ellis-Bextor +4 Cruel Summer - Taylor Swift +3 Stick Season - Noah Kahan +2 greedy - Tate McRae +1 Prada - casso, RAYE & D-Block Europe -1 yes, and? - Ariana Grande -2 Lovin' On Me - Jack Harlow -3 TEXAS HOLD 'EM - Beyonce -4 Beautiful Things - Benson Boone -5 Lose Control - Teddy Swims

I'd say roughly along the lines of -Top 40 peak or long chart run below T40 -Platinum cert. -Top 10 in another country -100m streams -#1 on a notable list or poll

New to this subforum, can I ask what the specific difference between Dance and Electronic is to all of you or what either means? seeing the 2 polls I feel like Electronic is less pop oriented, I've always seen the 2 conflated in charts so it's interesting seeing the difference

Insightful responses, I put these in a spreadsheet to see Bobby Helmes (63yrs) (Hit as Top 21): Jacqueline (1958 08 #20) → Jingle Bell Rock (2022 01 #7) mentioned by Tuttavilla Judy Garland (40yrs) (Hit as Chart Entry): The Man that Got Away (1955 06 #18) → Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas (1995 12 #100) mentioned by No Sleeep Kate Bush (44yrs) (Hit as Top 2): Wuthering Heights (1978 03 #1) → Running Up That Hill (2022 06 #1) mentioned by ~1^∞ Chris Rea (32yrs) (Hit as Top 11): The Road to Hell (Pt. 2) (1989 11 #10) → Driving Home for Christmas (2022 01 #10) mentioned by jimwatts Prince Buster (31yrs) (Hit as Chart Entry): Al Capone (1967 03 #18) → Whine and Grine (1998 04 #21) mentioned by mrpopquiz Mike Reid (24yrs) (Hit as Chart Entry): Ugly Duckling (1975 03 #10) → The More I See You (w/ Barbara Windsor) (1999 04 #46) mentioned by mrpopquiz Darlene Love (24yrs) (Hit as Chart Entry): All Alone on Christmas (1992 12 #31) → Christmas (Baby Please Come Home) (2017 01 #22) mentioned by TomJ1991 The Archies (17yrs) (Hit as Chart Entry): Sugar Sugar (1969 10 #1) → Sugar Sugar (1987) (1987 08 #91) mentioned by Popchartfreak Boris Gardiner (16yrs) (Hit as Chart Entry): Elizabeth Reggae (1970 01 #14) → I Want to Wake Up With You (1986 07 #1) mentioned by King Rollo Etta James (14yrs) (Hit as Top 79): I Just Want to Make Love to You (1996 02 #5) → At Last (2010 09 #39) mentioned by Popchartfreak Disturbed (13yrs) (Hit as Top 51): Prayer (2002 09 #31) → The Sound of Silence (2016 04 #29) mentioned by Dobbo David Hasselhoff (12yrs) (Hit as Chart Entry): If I Could Say Goodbye (1993 11 #35) → Jump in My Car (2006 10 #3) mentioned by girl_from_oz England World Cup Squad (11yrs) (Hit as Chart Entry):Back Home (1970 04 #1) → This Time We'll Gte it Right (1982 04 #2) mentioned by Popchartfreak Natalie Cole (11yrs) (Hit as Chart Entry): This Will Be (1975 10 #32) → Jumpstart (1987 08 #44) mentioned by Popchartfreak Daddy Yankee (11yrs) (Hit as Chart Entry): Gasolina (2005 07 #5) → Despacito (2017 04 #1) mentioned by Brer Sia (11yrs) (Hit as Top 44): Taken for Granted (2000 06 #10) → Titanium (David Guetta) (2011 08 #1) mentioned by Smint Loreen (10yrs) (Hit as Chart Entry): Euphoria (2012 06 #3) → Tattoo (2023 05 #2) mentioned by Jade Train (8yrs) (Hit as Top 48): Drops of Jupiter (Tell Me) (2001 08 #10) → Hey Soul Sister (2010 05 #18) mentioned by Juranamo Karel Fialka (7yrs) (Hit as Chart Entry): The Eyes Have It (1980 05 #52) → Hey Matthew (1987 09 #9) mentioned by zenon Johnny Logan (7yrs) (Hit as Chart Entry): What's Another Year? (1980 05 #1) → Hold Me Now (1987 05 #2) mentioned by Smint Nick Berry (5yrs) (Hit as Chart Entry): Every Loser Wins (1986 10 #1) → Heartbeat (1992 06 #2) mentioned by Smint James Arthur (3yrs) (Hit as Top 1): Impossible (2012 12 #1) → Say You Won't Let Go (2016 10 #1) mentioned by Hassaan I was looking for the longest time for specifically a 1 Hit Wonder to get another hit, whether they got more hits afterwards or not is irrelevant, just not hits before (don't confuse 1 Hit Wonder as derogatory or meaning irrelevance or anything, just happened to have exactly 1 UK charting single) I'm counting hit as a song that charted at or above a certain UK chart position. Of course this is only looking at hits by UK peak, maybe you might look at other factors like weekly history or other countries or whatever else to count as a hit. Burl Ives couldn't count because AHJC in 2024 made #40, both his 1962 hits charted higher, so you can only say he's had a long wait for a third hit by looking at the entire top 40, or say he has had 2 hits in the same year looking at the top 39. A lot of these are pretty dodgy, many are just old songs resurging in popularity or Christmas, and I'm concerned if the artists from the 50's actually had hits before the charts existed, it's even harder to tell their legacy from charts alone Mike Reid seems the longest for new released hits, idk how many people would stop calling him a 1 Hit Wonder for a feature at #46, or if they'd call him a 1 Hit Wonder in the 1st place given he was an actor on EastEnders and it's a novelty song. I think for me, the big winner is Boris Gardiner so far with a 16 year wait. He would have Elizabeth Reggae as his sole chart entry at #14 from 1970 to 1986, then get an even bigger hit with I Want to Wake Up With You reaching #1!

In discussions of 1 hit wonders, people usually give a period of time before calling someone a One hit wonder, like if the hit was 5 years ago there might be a chance they'll get a 2nd hit. I'm wondering what the longest gap between an artists 1st hit song and their 2nd is. Hit is a vague term of course, so any criteria that you find interesting will do

I'll guess the reason for that is that the ties make up 1 position, then the next position would just be 1 lower as opposed to the normal way of being however many songs in that ties below it, leaving much more than 200 songs, so than at some point in each chart it's just counting down 1 position and down 1 sale, which'd probably be more likely to have about the same number of sales at the bottom per week, as opposed to the #200 exactly if you counted which might change on stronger and weaker weeks

It's fun seeing the 190s of the chart and them having less than 15 chart sales, I'm curious what the lowest numbers of sales has been, has there ever been a song with just 1 sale to make it into a chart wow

I'd've stolen 4 of PeteFromLeeds' points and gotten 10 points for the Killers so far had I submitted on time, not terrible but not a tragic loss so far, did terrible on nearly every other question if I'm not mistaken

f***, didn't see this at all, was looking at the Lounge for the quiz I'll answer anyway, let's see how I would've did 1. Who will have the #1 single? Sam Ryder 2. How many sales will the #1 single get? 42,001 3. How many sales will the #10 single get? 18,001 4. How many Christmas songs will be in the top 100? 49 5. What position will 'Houdini' by Dua Lipa be? 55 In the Top 100 albums chart announced on Friday 15th December: 1. Who will have the #1 album? Killers 2. How many sales will the #1 album get? 28,001 3. How many sales will the #10 album get? 5041 4. How many greatest hits collections will be in the top 100? 25 5. What position will 'Midnights' by Taylor Swift be? 6