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^^ I think It was Play.com Steven, I remember posting it :lol: But yeah the tracklist that we got after that had been re-shuffled :(. White Lies is never going to happen as a single for many reasons unfortunately. It's a shame because that track is 'classic' Saturdays sound. But I agree with you, Faster is the track that sticks out the most to be the next single, if there's one.

We don't even know for sure if there's going to be another single or not. I'd like to think there is (infact I really want there to be a 4th single) but right now, it could be 'released' as late as February. Promotion will do nothing for On Your Radar now. Especially now the Christmas market has come to an end. The album will only start selling again when they inject some interest back into them by releasing another single. I don't know who's fault it is, but the last 2/3 months I imagine have been mental for them. Una pregnant and Frankie hospitalized; Juggle that with the promotional round they did with My Heart Takes Over, tour rehersals and the actual tour.

146. All Fired Up 363. All Fired Up 551. All Fired Up 790. My Heart Takes Over 969. My Heart Takes Over

They've never been a Girls Aloud where "every single MUST make the Top 10" sort of thing. They (thankfully) blew that with Work. I'm not saying that they have never been like "GET WORK TO #1" because, let's face it, they've been there. In those words actually! I don't think another single could resurrect the album as well as Issues did with Chasing Lights; But at the same time, look at what another single did for Chasing Lights, and Headlines. There's a certain confidence that there's a chance the album would stabilize I'd say. I've seen this said a lot on forums that because 'The Way You Watch Me' is sort of confirmed for the next single, that it will be a guaranteed radio smash because "It has Travie in it". I've always been under the impression that radio have never gone near him? :huh: Faster is the safest track that they could go with right now. It's very reminiscent of 'Up', 'Ego' and it ties in nicely with their new-found dance sound.

Hope everyone's had a great day :)

133. All Fired Up 339. All Fired Up 459. All Fired Up 730. My Heart Takes Over 804. My Heart Takes Over

Why wouldn't JLS be nominated 2yrs in a row? Of course it's allowed? Take That have been nominated 3 times in a row probably? I don't think they will, based on this year anyway. The Wanted will definitely get a nomination. Charity single, a big summer #1, that other single, and a decent run with their album. They've done well for themselves. One Direction too maybe.

One of the major things that was wrong with the choice of single is that they went from a club raver (All Fired Up) to then what sounded like a damp squib (My Heart Takes Over). Too much of a drastic change in sound from them yet again. This could be proved by the fact they went from opening sales of 70k with All Fired Up to just over 20k a month and a bit later with My Heart Takes Over. People want a hi-energy Saturdays, and I think it works better that way personally. Not only the sudden change in sound again, but like Shadow had just said, there's only 2 prominent singers in the single, which is hardly a recognizable Saturdays format nowadys. The vocals have always been pretty shared out, apart from their earlier material. They've tried too hard to re-create an 'Chasing Lights' situation, It feels like. People may complain "they didn't promote enough" but as usual I disagree. No matter how much promotion they had, it wouldn't have made radio play them any more than they did. Their major problem has been getting radio support, and it's down to that unfortunately. Capital are still playing All Fired Up to this day.

They haven't been to LA to "do a documentary". Where have they had the time (oh God did I just say that out loud?) to go back and forth to LA over the past 6 months to record a documentary?! Rochelle said "It's our second tour, we've been back and forth to LA, done a documentary" referring to What Goes On Tour.

Anyone seen this week's flip? Mollie's so funny. She talks us through how they auditioned the dancers. "Frankie made them take their tops off... so we did the same for them later.. I'M LAUGHING AT MY OWN JOKE" :lol: Here here :lol:

So 'All Fired Up' could be Top 200 come Sunday? They really need to capitalize on the post-Christmas gift card market. Single sales shoot up after Christmas because of people purchasing gift cards; And I feel with the reduction(s) it will benefit them further, especially when the Christmas music will be disappearing, fast.

What I meant was, you said that they have similar vocal talents and suggested they should be at the same level when performing. You where basing The Saturdays round Girls Aloud, saying that The Saturdays should be better performers because they share similar vocal talent to Girls Aloud. I didn't see why the singing should be the deciding factor in being an 'all rounder'. Because obviously there's more to it. I disagreed with that statement. It just so happens that The Saturdays aren't as good performers as Girls Aloud. I agree with that. At a Girls Aloud tour I loved how there was so much energy, not just in their routines but in their personalities as well. The Saturdays do lack in that department but it doesn't bother me to the level of me not wanting to see one of their concerts. The Sats have always had difficulty with their choreography, not just that they couldn't do it, but it's always felt like the wrong type of choreography. At the end of the day they're too very different groups. I think The Saturdays have the advantage of better vocalists and voices in their group (despite Vanessas voice problem - which actually has been behaving itself on tour; She's sounded brilliant!), whereas Girls Aloud are better dancers.

That's a good move. Better late than never, but like Martyn just said, they should capitalize on the reductions now because it will be even better when the Christmas music starts falling.

:mellow: there's nothing wrong with having a debate. I see your point better now. What you're saying though is a brilliant theory, and what they should be like, but everyone's different. None of us have lived a day in their shoes (or have we?). I think their stage presence in general on the All Fired Up tour has been really good. Every tour has a script to follow, but there have been moments too where they've improvised (for example last night when the fan through the boxer shorts on stage saying "Una kiss my bum" and they made a joke out of that. When Rochelle announced Una's engagement and they had an emotional moment. It just shows you that these girls aren't completely controlled and devoid of sentiment. Not that you've said that, I'm just giving it my perspective) The comparisons with Girls Aloud are a bit dull if I'm honest. You're saying that because they share similar vocal talents they should be "all round performers" too? That's what I'm reading here. :huh: Girls Aloud are a great package I agree, they really do get an A+ for their tours because although both groups are vocally similar (like you said), Girls Aloud have always been better at the dancing and with their audience interaction. It's all about personal taste though at the end of the day, I'd rather go and see Girls Aloud concert but musically I prefer The Saturdays. They're not trained dancers (apart from Frankie I think?) so it's not something that comes naturally to them, it's not just a case of working more harder at it. I've found that they've learnt to sync more with each other over time. If you look at one of their routines from the very start of their career to now, they may be a little more complex but at least they're getting the grasp of being in sync with each other more than they where before. It's not something that comes over night to anyone, everyone has a different learning pace. Sometimes it takes years, sometimes it takes a few lessons. I'm not making excuses but quite a rational explanation from my experience. I agree about their flips though, they're too scripted now and they where brilliant how they used to be. Too short as well like you said. They used to hammer Twitter to death promoting their music but then started getting labeled as Twitter whores (The Missing You campaign - shudder). I agree they're quite replaceable but overall they produce some brilliant pop music. :)

I was just depicting what was being said... :lol: This is what I mean about people expecting too much from them, and the comparisons to Girls Aloud don't help. The Saturdays are singers who can sort of dance, un-like Girls Aloud who where very much all-rounders and what they did. Again, people expect too much. I agree The Sats have a long way to go yet, but I think they're quite humble and content at the pace things are going (career wise, not sales or any of that lark). I think this because they've said that they still need to break the UK, before they go anywhere else (however even if the opportunity orrises to go over-seas then I think they'll take it regardless). They seem quite chuffed that for their 4th album they've been able to co-write it, whilst preparing for 2 tours. I don't get what you mean when you say about their work ethic. Surely their job is for their management to organize their day, what they're performing on, rehearsals for it etc etc; The Sats turn up and do it. Are you implying that the girls need to do more things to promote themselves out-side of work, ie go and busk in shopping center's? I'm not sure what you're getting at there. I'm not trying to insert any 'angryness' in here by the way to the people concerned. It's come off the wrong way.

The thing is with radio, if they send the single to radio's too soon they loose their maximum 'release week' potential (which is exactly what has happened to the 3 singles from On Your Radar). It would be more economical for them to release the video first (for example) followed by radio play, as they are severely lacking in the radio play department. At least that way the stations would see "Oh this is released in 3wks, better start playing this!" Instead of "Oh this is released in 6wks, it can wait a bit" because that is exactly what had happened with Notorious and All Fired Up, both peaked then started falling down the airplay chart, then re-peaking a little higher during release week. This also effected their chart run's in the Singles chart. It all has a knock-on effect. Of course then as well when radio starts to play the single 6wks before release, they're also loosing their maximum exposure and sales for the actual release week. Clear examples of this are Higher and Ego, this is why a much shorter gap between radio playing it and it actually being released would benefit them. I'm not talking about on air/on sale but on post-album singles this would be a better model for the Saturdays in particular. Yes they did think My Heart Takes Over would keep the album selling through the Christmas and New Year period. It was their "winter warmer" as they called it. Therefore no, they weren't prepared for the album flopping (you're right there) so they probably didn't even think about the follow up single when they had the album to promote, rehearsals for the tour, the actual tour, and Frankie's illness and Una's health to keep on top of. Every artist is different, they. 're not all suited to the same campaigns and designed around the same basis that say Rihanna and Beyonce are on for example. I think a lot of people forget that The Saturdays are singers who 'can' (sort of) dance. Congratulating them? Erm, they did the promotion, and they got on some decent shows and their usual trip round the daytime one's. What's to complain about? The timing of the promotion, yes but they promoted. They can't help if another artist has already booked a slot they wanted. They take what they can get, just like any other artist. The fact that they've slipped under the radar this year though has lead to them getting some very shoddy times though, for example the 11pm performance of My Heart Takes Over on Children In Need when in 2009 they where the opening act cause they did the charity single. How things have changed. They may be 3 minute performances, but it takes hours of prep for that "3 minute performance". Stop making out as if everything is viable because the a tour is only a "short one" or a performance is only for "3 minutes" etc. Hours of prep go into these things to make sure they're executed correctly on the day and are up to a decent level. Which brings me onto the next thing.. Regarding your comment about them looking "bored" for the My Heart Takes Over campaign, what do you want them to do on stage? Look happy and jump for joy singing a sad ballad? At the start of the campaign they had some sort of routine but as soon as people where like "What on earth are they doing, the swapping places looks hideous, they should just use mic stands instead!" they ditched the 'routine' (swapping places) and bought in the mic stands, and then people complained they look bored! Can't win. The whole thing was a bizarre choice of single for me anyway. Poor Mollie and Frankie didn't even get to sing anything during that campaign, even when they performed it live! It was only about half-way through the campaign when they added Una's harmony into the chorus's! I'd be pretty pissed if I was made to mime along to a backing track that wasn't even me singing it (Ina, cough) when my other band mates got harmonies at least. Of course they rely on their fan base to purchase their product. What artist doesn't? They have tried this year in particular to broaden their audience by doing the whole euro/dance track thing (All Fired Up) which at first seemed like it was going to be a huge success as it attracted many more buyers, actually more than their core fan base. For example, going from opening with 70k for All Fired Up to 20-something-k for My Heart Takes Over 2 months later, where had what they achieved with All Fired Up gone? Where had those casual buyers they attracted gone? To put it simply, it tells me the people who brought All Fired Up would rather them stick to the dance sound. It has worked more for them than going down the ballad route did this year. I did disagree with them for steering outside of their sound earlier this year with 'All Fired Up' but looking back now I was wrong, it tells me that they widened their audience, and it was one of their more consistent radio friendly hits. Something that what we presumed 'My Heart Takes Over' would do even better... :huh: If they saw their jobs as 9-5 jobs, they wouldn't be getting up at 4am in the morning for early morning TV calls, or staying till 2am in the morning on video shoots. That's a bit of a silly remark really isn't it? What else are they going to do after they've "completed their commitments" ? Go home of course and try and find that balance of pop star / normal life. What do you want them to do after they've "finished their commitments" ? Go and busk in local shopping center's ? Again, I know if I was a pop star once I'd finished my commitments for the day I'd want to go home to my family, put the kettle on and watch Eastenders. Wouldn't you? I feel people are always expecting too much from them, and I've been guilty of this in the past. But that isn't something that bothers me anymore because they're music is brilliant and I buy it. So they win me over.

Shaddow you're talking complete nonsense. Do you think it's possible to shoot a video when most production companies are on their Christmas breaks? It's not just The Saturdays that are taking their Christmas break too you know. It's not always possible to do things in the 'spur of the moment' or plan a video the day before and shoot in the next day. It just doesn't work like that. Weeks of planning goes into a video shoot. Set, script, lighting, styling, story boarding... Who ever says they haven't worked their assess of this year is delusional. 2 tours, 3 single campaigns, and an album to promote during a single release, tour rehearsals and the actual tour.. Frankie was hospitalized, Una's pregnant, if anything they need this 2wks off more than ever to re-gain some normality in their lives. By no means am I trying to make their un-performing album justifiable because in theory it shouldn't be under-performing, but failings in their management and label have contributed a huge part in the under-performance. It's tiring reading your posts, slagging the girls off "they should be doing more" blah blah blah. I'd like to see you get up on stage every night and try to perform on an early morning TV show to promote the LP... Like Jay said, everyone needs to relax and stop over-dramatizing everything.

At least the album has potential to linger in the Top 100 for a bit then since there's no significant album releases until after New Year, maybe even later on than that. The sales will plummet though.

"They where allowed to flop" ? You for real? I've seen some bizarre comments about some of their failures, but this is just a ridiculous excuse. :lol: I don't get what you're saying about Ego. It outsold On Your Radar (so far) yes.. but are you also forgetting that it's probably outsold their other 3 LP's too? Moot point. What 'Ego' has to do with On Your Radar is beyond me.

'Rochelle' announced it tonight at their Wembley date, apparently! Great news though, very happy for them :)

No way would they have had the same sales if they'd released this a few months earlier. That 18k that they opened with for example was down to the 25% more people buying albums in shops for Christmas. Just coming up with random figures here, nothing official, just for example. You take away that 25% and that's what they would have opened with a few months ago. My HMV still had On Your Radar in the chart section which is pretty decent.

No-one's sugar coating anything. Headlines had a completely different release strategy so I don't think On Your Radar and Headlines can be compared. Headlines was released off a heavily radio played single (Missing You, airplay #1), plus the reality TV show. What's On Your Radar had? Radio's have been reluctant to touch them after Notorious, but that doesn't mean they weren't getting played because All Fired Up has spent 20wks in the Airplay Top 100. The fact that My Heart Takes Over flopped made everything go from bad to worse, but seeing that they're only down 10k from their 'golden age' from Chasing Lights, it doesn't seem that bad.

Oh the Christmas market has definitely given it a lift. It's not exclusive to The Saturdays though, it applies to any artist that releases this time of year due to the increase in album sales given as gifts at Christmas, stating the obvious. For example, 2008: 2nd week of October: 16k for #10 2nd week of December: 69k for #10 2009: 2nd week of October: 15k for #10 2nd week of December: 76k for #10 2010: 2nd week of October: 13k for #10 2nd week of December: 62k for #10 2011: 2nd week of October: 12k for #10 2nd week of December: 60k for #10 This shows a significant rise of sales during every 4th quatre to get a Top 10 album. This also shows the drop in album sales over the past 4yrs. For example in 2009 you needed 76k for a #10 in December, and in 2011 you need 16k less (60k) for a Top 10 in December. Also 16k for a Top 10 in 2008 in October, and 4k less (12k) for a Top 10 in October 2011.

By no means are we trying to sugar coat this, but album sales are considerably lower than they where 3yrs ago. If it wasn't for the Christmas market right now You'd be looking at 15k for this album so far in '2011' sales terms - it was only 8k for a Top 10 about 6wks ago. Under these circumstances, maybe there is still legs in this album. Maybe a well executed single release next year could stabilize the LP. It's a possibility, something that shouldn't be ruled out.

Glad to hear you enjoyed the show, shame you had to leave early though! I haven't been able to go to the tour this time around; I wanted to go, but two tours in one year just seemed a bit much when you have to take into account of train tickets, merch etc. If they can establish themselves as a good live act then that really will work in the favor.