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Correction. It is sales to retailers, which is to a record label is the only thing that counts. Sales made by the record label is 100K. Sales made by retailers are 34K. According to the official website: Certification is based on (as quoted from the BPI website): BPI member companies are given certified awards to mark sales to UK retailers. http://www.bpi.co.uk/certifiedawards/search.aspx' No one is trying to boost his success as the facts are right there. :P Again, if Universal only sold this 100k, he has been successful. But Joe has already been successful and doing so brilliantly. This is Joe's 3rd album and showed what a success he really is as this album turned Gold within a day. Another album next year and another tour already planned in 2012. :) Great job to a wonderful young man! :)

It wasn't false. The information was coming directly from the label, and is accurate. Classic Christmas sold 100,000 to retailers within a day, and for Universal that is what they care about. Classic sold less than WA and that sold more than double now and continues to sell. :) You need to get your facts straight, and it is TRUE that it sold more than Classic. He is doing great so far. It is selling as much as Classic, and certified Gold within a day which exceed their expectation, while Classic continues to sell. Even if it only sold 100,000 so far, is still a success for him. And with plans of another album and tour next year already, Joe is very successful. Wonderful news for him. He is such a great young man! :)

It is pretty impressive given it has sold double and Universal did it easily. It is a brilliant album. This is not easy for any artist in that position, and particularly given X Factor and its history. He is able to get away, sign to another major label quickly, and be more successful now he is away from Syco. And his first tour selling out, and already plans for another one. :) Big middle finger to Syco. :D The albums that been produced are quality. It's beautiful, and will give it to Universal for producing a solid product. I recently heard "Driving Home For Christmas", and this should be released. It is the best version, and love the beat with the trumpets. Great choice. And only great artists can sell cover songs because they have amazing voices to create an individual style --- Adele, Florence, Whitney, Andrea Bocelli, etc.

The Classic album is selling well and already two times Gold and continue to sell. :huh: This is impressive. Many general artists out there can't even get those numbers. I mean look at Pixie Lott with a huge single, but huge flop in album. No other X Factor act has ever sold more than the 1st before, and to get away from Syco and sign with a larger label with Universal as well. As for Christmas Classic, it looks good so far. It is selling as much as Classic so far, and it already achieved Gold (100K sales) in 1 day, compared to Classic in (10 days). But you can't really compare these two given one is a Holiday album, and different attractions. I would be worried about Kelly's and Tulisa's main album since they had ridiculous amount of marketing every week. The nationwide tour was before his Christmas album, and given how well it received, it looks amazing for him. Actually, the tour is so successful that the label is already making plans for another one in 2012. Great job Joe! :) Here are some reviews: Birmingham: http://the-kaje.com/2011/11/10/live-review...ngham-09-11-11/ Nottingham: http://www.thisisnottingham.co.uk/Review-J...tail/story.html Aberdeen: http://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/Article.as..._medium=twitter Newcastle: http://www.shieldsgazette.com/lifestyle/en..._hall_1_3983952 Brighton: http://www.theargus.co.uk/theguide/critic/...rce=twitterfeed Middesbrough: http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside...84229-29836740/ London: http://entertainment-focus.com/music/artic...val-hall-london There hasn't been "tons of ads". :huh: On the contrary, it has only been a few, and more now as he starts the promo for this album. The Festival of Remembrance was a great success and what an honor for the young man. That is really impressive, and that is 3 times now in front of the royal family and Queen. They really like him, and he is only 20 years old. :o :) But the Festival of Remembrance is only 1 time. X Factor and Strictly Come Dancing are every single week with around ~10 million views. Major difference in the amount of marketing. PSTOS was in June, and for Joe to sell his Classic album to be Top 5 for 5 weeks in a row is impressive, given how Syco badly treated him and PSTOS were 3 months ago. It seems like it is not selling off the back of the show, since it would have dropped like a stone in the 2nd week. But what a success for him, and looking bright. :) *************************** It doesn't mirror what you see on Twitter. :huh: There are haters for EVERY artists and every celebrity. Joe's is actually very positive, compared to like Cheryl's? Here are some twitter responses (did not disclose names): @joemcelderry91 looked great today as per normal Aww love @joemcelderry91 version of "The Little Drummber boy" @joemcelderry91 cant believe you recognised me haha xx @joemcelderry91 DO A SIGNING IN MANCHESTER :( @joemcelderry91 you're so lovely, thankyou! I was shaking haha @richardsalkeld perfect to put Christmas tree up with @Pippa_Walker + @joemcelderry91 's Classic Christmas

Really? LOL. You really got problems. Just move on man. If I do that, I would end up like you. :D

I am not the one continuing this (or start this), if you didn't get my message looking at your quote. If you have something to say to me, please take it through PM. And not this thread.

You were the one who came here and started talking about Olly in a Joe thread. This whole side discussion started because you brought it publicly. Stop having Olly live under Joe's shadow, and keep commenting about him in a Joe thread about his album. Let us move on from this, and stop continuing this discussion. And if you have something to say to me, please take it through PM instead of this thread.

Umm... Have you seen Oricon previous comment before: Nice try Regina. :rolleyes: I am a fan of the song as well, and it is one of the best version, especially with the duet with Rolando.

No he wasn't. Come on. You don't do that to a friend? Why would you be disgusting and laugh at your friend and make fun of him to everyone. Really mature of him right. :rolleyes: He was not paid on Xtra Factor actually. They just added him. They are paying Caroline your right since she does hosting. It is part of the marketing. And that is not what I mean. I have moved on, Please talk to the Olly loons like Buzz, who seems to want to continue this.

I love how Olly loons like to pick on Joe. You really have nothing better to do. LOL! You understand that his versions are well received that don't even know Joe. No even a good effort. :D

Are you serious? How old is Olly 28 or something? Good job on being mature and picking on your "friend" that is 20 years old. :rolleyes: He is an adult, and he chose to make fun of Joe and laugh. He didn't even look awkward saying it. He looked pretty comfortable making fun of Joe and then laughing about it. :o This is an example of a "friend" stabbing you in the back. Even Olly fans went and attack Joe. So who is blowing it out of proportion. Again, Joe never said anything about him, used him, or make fun of him. That is what a friend does, not this disgusting behavior of Olly, a "friend". You really want to continue this. Olly wasn't nice to Lloyd when he laughed at him. Olly wasn't nice to girls when he called them "dogs". Or cancelled a gig to be on TV. Again, Joe SAID he wanted to go towards the pop-rock direction that he did on X Factor. How many examples do you want that SYCO decides everything no matter what? Shayne? Leona? Leon? Joe is not going to hate his 1st album. What artist would say that?! Are you serious about this? You really don't know how record label works. They are the ones in control, especially with Sony's labels and 100% with Simon/Syco as he is a control freak. Get your facts right. And are you serious about co-writing?! We all know it is bullshit. Don't make it out to what it is. There are rules in contracts if you don't known. And Joe was happy to get out of Syco contract. And good for him because as we have seen with their history, they are a horrible label. And Universal wasn't the only ones interested. ;) No he is not. It's the truth. People know he is Simon's dog, and if it wasn't obvious of him getting the Xtra Factor host. Think about it, when he there are millions of other host. As for songwriters, Joe had some as well, but Syco decided not to use it. Again, the label's decision. Again, you don't know how record label works. He isn't with Syco. Please explain: Leona or Shayne, to name a few. They have no say at all and released what Simon wants, even thought he dropped Shayne in particular and he didn't even pick that cover release. I am not looking for excuse. It is what it is. Go do some research. He said those things; he did those things; and there is a reason why Syco has the worst track record of artists.

I thought we could move on. But you really want to start this. First, Joe was on tour. Don't make stuff up, and get your facts straight. Are you really going to defend that disgusting behavior? Really? Speaks a lot about you as a person if you think this is right of a "friend" to do. If my friend did that, we won't be friends anymore. That is called talking behind your friend's back. That is NOT what friends do. And by the way, Joe has NEVER said anything bad about Olly. Never USED him for the camera, never USED him to make fun, never USED him for publicity, and supported him like a FRIEND should. Really shows you what type of "friend" Olly really is. Yes, Joe should not work hard and prove himself and public through his TALENT alone why he should win. :rolleyes: Yes, Joe decided to sign with Syco since it is mandatory as the winner of the show. :rolleyes: Yes, Joe had control of Syco giving him only 2 weeks of promotion, only an X Factor performance, no airplay support, and no additional marketing support. :rolleyes: -----------------------> Compared to Alex with ~6 weeks of promotion, gigs, airplay, and talk show gigs. :o -----------------------> Compared to Olly, 2 months of promotion, a lot of gigs, full radio tour, etc. :o -----------------------> Compared to Leona, ~5 weeks of promotion, gigs, signings, etc. :o And these are only a few examples. :o Yes, Joe has so much promotion. :rolleyes: Yes, Joe decided on his direction, when he SAID himself that he would like to do pop-rock. :rolleyes: -----------------------> Like Shayne after 3 years of recording, releasing a cover under the guidance of Simon. :rolleyes: And how nice of Simon to drop him right away when Simon was the one that chose that single and material for his album. :o -----------------------> Or Leona, when her album is pushed back for about 3 years now, and only had 1 (ONE) tour. :rolleyes: How long has she been an artist? :o Get your facts right. Do some research. And stop making stuff up. It really happened. Look it up. And if Syco horrible history with artists can't get through to you..... Then you have Universal, to bring this all to light with how successful they are. :) LOL! Come on. Olly has no talent. And I am not saying that to be mean. It's the truth. He has an average voice, and nothing to him. It is all about marketing. I can find millions of these types of people. Katie Price makes more money than Colin Firth. Jersey Shore is more successful than Mad Men, and Modern Family. Doesn't mean they are respected in the industry. They are laughed at. Olly can make all the money he wants and Syco can be crap to Joe, but they can never take away his genuine real talent. Joe proved he is a major talent, while Olly showed that if you throw a lot of money at anyone, you can easily fool people. When Simon says bark, Olly asks how loud. By the way, I actually never have anything against Olly in the beginning, but when he pulls shit like this (and this is not the first time), he really shows his true color of how fame hungry he is, and disgusting of a person he really is.

Seems like a two face liar when he knew exactly how busy Joe is, and very successful, but decided to laugh at him and make fun of him on Friday behind his back for the camera/media. :o It really was disgusting what Olly did. At least say it to Joe's face Olly instead of pretending to be his friend, and say crap about him when he isn't even looking. I hope Joe knows to be careful because Olly is not a friend.

Without Im A Celeb like in 2nd week of October 2011, it was 600k. :huh: Also, when Holly was there, it was over 1m several times. :huh: Like 2nd week of November 2009, Xtra factor had 1.1m. :o Also for the final with Holly, it was ~2m. :o Holly was perfect for that show.

Rebecca is not doing so well. :( I thought it would do better, but it is a boring song. Really bad choice here. This is embarrassing. And this is a few of several weeks he has done it. Really sad. Instead of learning about the contestants, he just use it to plug his stuff. Last night ratings for Xtra Factor is 403K. :o This is really bad. The show when Holly was on pulled in 1-2 million. Really gone down hill. Olly is awkward and a marmite on that show. There is no more chemistry that Holly use to bring.

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I don't think anyone will say that Whitney Houston is less talented than Katy Perry because she never wrote a single song. And would never hold it against Whitney Houston or Josh Groban or others as less talented when they are just not songwriters. Does not make them less talented. Singing a song is not easy. What recording artists have to do to perform and sing songs are very difficult. A recording artist is a recording artist. They have that talent to record. It is not a talent to be a songwriter. They can do both if they are able too, but not going to say Whitney Houston is less talented than Katy Perry. A good analogy is fashion designers. They have the talent to make designs. It is not fashion seamstress. Versace and Polo Ralph Lauren are not less talented than Vera Wang because she can sew. Don't you think it is the same level of difficulty to sing a song written by someone else (like "Bleeding Love" or "Bad Boys") vs. a song performed by someone else already (like "Make You Feel My Love" or "I Will Always Love You")? What is the difference other than where the royalties are going? Also, don't you think it is HARDER to sell a popular well-known song than a new song? People can just go out and buy the original. They might even have the original already, and won't care about buying the new version by another artist. And that is what a truly talented recording artist does, they have transformed the song (whether the song is already written or a new song). It is original. It is different. It stands equally as good if not better than the original (if a cover). (Also, let's be honest, when recording artist add their names as "co-writer", it is bullshit most of the time.)

What do you think about Whitney Houston? Or Celine Dion? Or Andrea Bocelli? Or Josh Groban? to just name a few that never wrote their songs. What you are saying sounds like a good songwriter or getting a good songwriter. You can get a good songwriter like "Bleeding Love" or Adele's "Make You Feel My Love", but it is the artist's talented ability that sells it. That is really talent.

If you want to be technical, look at the post before that (the original post that this is all replying to). Joe didn't sing "covers and covers only", so where does that leave us when the original post doesn't even make sense. The point was these artists (Adele, Florence, Michael, Katherine) have done covers, released covers, produced covers, and sold covers. And shows more power to them as an artist if they can do it.

Why would they have less talent? :huh: It shows more talent if they actually can sell a cover song don't you think. It is about the artist's talent that is selling the song; not the cover. Why not buy the original? It is easily available and been available for a long time. There would be no reason to buy a cover song, if the artist didn't have the talent.

Never said that. If you think their own songs are crap, that is your opinion. An artist's ability to sing a cover song and sell it shows that they have brought something new to the table. Their talented voice has transformed the song. It is different. It is an original. The talent is real and unique. They really have something there.

Who has sang covers and only covers? :huh: Where is this coming from? NONE of these artists Joe, Adele, Florence, Ellie, Michael, Leona, Alex, Shayne, etc They ALL sang covers and done covers and released covers. So what are you saying here?

They still released covers, whether singles or albums. That was the point. It really shows a lot about their talent when they do it. More power to them. Also, Joe's Classic album is not all covers.

Make You Feel My Love. You've Got The Love. Your Song. These were also released as singles.

Like Adele, Florence, Katherine Jenkins, Ellie Goulding, Michael Buble, Josh Gorban... And Joe hasn't just sang only covers. ;) :D As well as to the Queen, and royal family. :D