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A Clean Bandit and Rag'N'Bone Man Christmas top 2 so recently seems absolutely bonkers now. JCB was quite funny at the time but when I listened to it more recently... no thanks.

Nearly forgot this... turned a 3 way tie to a 5 way one with my three oops.

+20 Fairytale Of New York - The Pogues Featuring Kirsty MacColl (1987) 19 I Believe In Father Christmas - Greg Lake (1975) 18 Caravan Of Love - The Housemartins (1986) 17 Hallelujah - Jeff Buckley (2008) 16 Last Christmas / Everything She Wants - Wham! (1984 / 2022*) 15 You Ain’t Seen Nothing Yet - Bachman-Turner Overdrive (1974) 14 Human - Rag’n’Bone Man (2016) 13 Jeepster - T. Rex (1971) 12 Christmas Time (Don’t Let The Bells End) - The Darkness (2003) 11 Build Me Up Buttercup - The Foundations (1968) 10 Patience - Take That (2006) 9 Rock Around The Clock - Bill Haley And His Comets (1955) 8 Chocolate Salty Balls - P.S. I Love You - Chef (1998) 7 Happy - Pharrell Williams (2013) 6 Uptown Funk - Mark Robson Featuring Bruno Mars (2014) 5 River - Eminem Featuring Ed Sheeran (2017) 4 Ice Ice Baby - Vanilla Ice (1990) 3 Merry Christmas - Ed Sheeran And Elton John (2021) 2 What’s My Name - Rihanna Featuring Drake (2010) 1 Babe - Take That (1993)

01 (13) Fat Dog - Peace Song (01) (03) (1 week) 02 (02) clipping. - Keep Pushing (02) (05) 03 (07) Squid - Crispy Skin (03) (04) 04 (03) Blankenberge - New Rules (02) (11) 05 (01) Michael Kiwanuka - The Rest of Me (01) (09) (3 weeks) 06 (04) HVOB - What They Gave Me (04) (05) 07 (10) Los Campesinos! - Wait (07) (04) 08 (05) Kaktus Einarsson feat. Damon Albarn - Gumbri (05) (07) 09 (06) Jake Bugg - Never Said Goodbye (01) (10) (3 weeks) 10 (16) 86TVs - Out of the Blue (10) (04) 11 (09) Public Service Broadcasting - Towards the Dawn (04) (11) 12 (08) FKA Twigs - Perfect Stranger (05) (07) 13 (**) Lucy Rose - Those Red Lights (13) (01) 14 (17) Michael Kiwanuka - One And Only (14) (04) 15 (28) The Horrors - Lotus Eater (15) (02) 16 (11) Doves - Renegade (11) (05) 17 (23) Blossoms - So Hot You're Hurting My Feelings (17) (03) 18 (15) The Horrors - The Silence That Remains (05) (11) 19 (12) Japandroids - All Bets Are Off (06) (11) 20 (14) Caribou - Got To Change (08) (09) 21 (21) Man/Woman/Chainsaw - The Boss (21) (05) 22 (25) The Wombats - Blood On The Hospital Floor (22) (03) 23 (30) Two Shell - Mirror (23) (03) 24 (19) FKA twigs - Eusexua (01) (14) (2 weeks) 25 (31) Kassie Krut - Reckless (25) (02) 26 (18) Courteeners feat. DMA's - The Beginning of the End (14) (08) 27 (37) Safe Mind feat. Boy Harsher - 6' Pole (27) (02) 28 (42) Tom Misch feat. Loyle Carner - Colourblind (28) (01) 29 (22) Thus Love - All Pleasure (18) (06) 30 (35) James Blake - Like The End (30) (02) 31 (20) Franz Ferdinand - Audacious (02) (13) 32 (27) Cleo Sol - Fear When You Fly (27) (05) 33 (41) Say Lou Lou - Blue Ruin (33) (01) 34 (26) Vitesse X - Careless (11) (10) 35 (24) Romy & Sampha - I'm On Your Team (17) (07) 36 (33) Lauren Mayberry - Crocodile Tears (27) (06) 37 (43) Ela Minus - Upwards (37) (01) 38 (29) Honeyglaze - Pretty Girls (01) (18) (4 weeks) 39 (34) Egoism - Melbourne (29) (06) 40 (38) DEADLETTER - Credit To Treason (12) (12)

Red Bull and Perez have in effect both screwed themselves over by leaving them with no other good options. Hard to imagine Lawson doing much there, but I don't see any of their other options doing much either.

10 Max Verstappen - potentially his best championship, delivered when his car was the best and kept pace when it wasn't 1 Sergio Perez - probably in the worst 5 seasons since i started watching f1 7 Lewis Hamilton - still a top driver in races but continually let down by is qualifying, will need to up his game vs Leclerc 7 George Russell - a solid season, 8 Charles Leclerc - regularly got the better of his team mate and delivered the maximum from the car 7 Carlos Sainz Jr - this season pretty much summed up Sainz, consistently good and capable of delivering over and above in the odd race 7 Lando Norris - a really difficult one to grade, in some ways he's had as impressive season as anyone on the grid, but often let down by his own starts and he should really have delivered a closer title fight in the second half of the season 7 Oscar Piastri - an improvement this season, worryingly tailed off in the last few races. the potential is there to be McLaren's challenger. 6 Fernando Alonso - possibly the hardest driver on the grid to accurately judge given his teammate and the dog of a car 3 Lance Stroll - getting worse 8 Pierre Gasly - wasn't ever underperforming his car and then had the best last few races of anyone 4 Esteban Ocon - just average generally, marked down for the way he lost his seat 2 Logan Sargeant - was let down by Williams in some ways (giving Albon his car) which would have dented confidence, but did nothing close to warranting any more time 5 Alexander Albon - think this was his least impressive season in Williams, some costly crashes 3 Daniel Ricciardo - just utterly disappointing, painful to watch his most recent years given I was once such a fan. please let this be the end. 5 Yuki Tsunoda - as mid as mid gets 4 Zhou Guanyu - bumped up by a cracking drive in Qatar 4 Valtteri Bottas - knocked down by that showing in Abu Dhabi. a shame to watch him at times 9 Nico Hulkenberg - brilliantly consistent, a shame Haas couldn't quite get 6th in the constructors. Proved his status as a brilliant midfield driver 5 Kevin Magnussen - did ok at times, but probably right that this is his time in F1 up 6 Oliver Bearman - has looked impressive on his outings, looking forward to seeing more of him 5 Liam Lawson - was expecting more after last season 5 Franco Colapinto - excitement followed by poor x Jack Doohan

01 (01) Michael Kiwanuka - The Rest of Me (01) (08) (3 weeks) 02 (03) clipping. - Keep Pushing (02) (04) 03 (02) Blankenberge - New Rules (02) (10) 04 (08) HVOB - What They Gave Me (04) (04) 05 (05) Kaktus Einarsson feat. Damon Albarn - Gumbri (05) (06) 06 (04) Jake Bugg - Never Said Goodbye (01) (09) (3 weeks) 07 (13) Squid - Crispy Skin (07) (03) 08 (06) FKA Twigs - Perfect Stranger (05) (06) 09 (07) Public Service Broadcasting - Towards the Dawn (04) (10) 10 (18) Los Campesinos! - Wait (10) (03) 11 (11) Doves - Renegade (11) (04) 12 (10) Japandroids - All Bets Are Off (06) (10) 13 (28) Fat Dog - Peace Song (13) (02) 14 (09) Caribou - Got To Change (08) (08) 15 (12) The Horrors - The Silence That Remains (05) (10) 16 (21) 86TVs - Out of the Blue (16) (03) 17 (23) Michael Kiwanuka - One And Only (17) (03) 18 (15) Courteeners feat. DMA's - The Beginning of the End (14) (07) 19 (16) FKA twigs - Eusexua (01) (13) (2 weeks) 20 (14) Franz Ferdinand - Audacious (02) (12) 21 (24) Man/Woman/Chainsaw - The Boss (21) (04) 22 (19) Thus Love - All Pleasure (18) (05) 23 (30) Blossoms - So Hot You're Hurting My Feelings (23) (02) 24 (17) Romy & Sampha - I'm On Your Team (17) (06) 25 (35) The Wombats - Blood On The Hospital Floor (25) (02) 26 (20) Vitesse X - Careless (11) (09) 27 (33) Cleo Sol - Fear When You Fly (27) (04) 28 (**) The Horrors - Lotus Eater (28) (01) 29 (26) Honeyglaze - Pretty Girls (01) (17) (4 weeks) 30 (38) Two Shell - Mirror (30) (02) 31 (50) Kassie Krut - Reckless (31) (01) 32 (22) Heartworms - Warplane (10) (07) 33 (27) Lauren Mayberry - Crocodile Tears (27) (05) 34 (32) Egoism - Melbourne (29) (05) 35 (41) James Blake - Like The End (35) (01) 36 (25) High Vis - Guided Tour (18) (06) 37 (44) Safe Mind feat. Boy Harsher - 6' Pole (37) (01) 38 (36) DEADLETTER - Credit To Treason (12) (11) 39 (29) Pale Blue Eyes - How Long Is Now (15) (08) 40 (31) DJ Seinfeld - Hopecore (21) (07)

I had a definitive 8 from that: 1. Pogues 2. Waitresses 3. Bruce 4. Pretenders 5. Wham! 6. Jona Lewie 7. East 17 8. Darkness Then added Coldplay and Ronettes (Sliegh Ride)

Sorry I just went by Spotify, the albums they were on my Christmas playlist entries came out in 2003 and 2005 so assumed that was when they were released. Move everything up and add: 2 The Wombats - Is This Christmas? 1 Bo Selecta - Proper Chrimbo Whilst the Fleet Foxes and Mumfords songs people have voted for are better than songs I've included, I can't seriously include anything which I'd listen to all year round!

01 (01) Michael Kiwanuka - The Rest of Me (01) (07) (2 weeks) 02 (03) Blankenberge - New Rules (02) (09) 03 (11) clipping. - Keep Pushing (03) (03) 04 (02) Jake Bugg - Never Said Goodbye (01) (08) (3 weeks) 05 (06) Kaktus Einarsson feat. Damon Albarn - Gumbri (05) (05) 06 (05) FKA Twigs - Perfect Stranger (05) (05) 07 (04) Public Service Broadcasting - Towards the Dawn (04) (09) 08 (20) HVOB - What They Gave Me (08) (03) 09 (08) Caribou - Got To Change (08) (07) 10 (07) Japandroids - All Bets Are Off (06) (09) 11 (16) Doves - Renegade (11) (03) 12 (10) The Horrors - The Silence That Remains (05) (09) 13 (25) Squid - Crispy Skin (13) (02) 14 (09) Franz Ferdinand - Audacious (02) (11) 15 (14) Courteeners feat. DMA's - The Beginning of the End (14) (06) 16 (12) FKA twigs - Eusexua (01) (12) (2 weeks) 17 (16) Romy & Sampha - I'm On Your Team (17) (05) 18 (30) Los Campesinos! - Wait (18) (02) 19 (18) Thus Love - All Pleasure (18) (04) 20 (15) Vitesse X - Careless (11) (08) 21 (35) 86TVs - Out of the Blue (21) (02) 22 (13) Heartworms - Warplane (10) (06) 23 (39) Michael Kiwanuka - One And Only (23) (02) 24 (33) Man/Woman/Chainsaw - The Boss (24) (03) 25 (19) High Vis - Guided Tour (18) (05) 26 (22) Honeyglaze - Pretty Girls (01) (16) (4 weeks) 27 (27) Lauren Mayberry - Crocodile Tears (27) (04) 28 (43) Fat Dog - Peace Song (28) (01) 29 (21) Pale Blue Eyes - How Long Is Now (15) (07) 30 (42) Blossoms - So Hot You're Hurting My Feelings (30) (01) 31 (23) DJ Seinfeld - Hopecore (21) (06) 32 (29) Egoism - Melbourne (29) (04) 33 (36) Cleo Sol - Fear When You Fly (33) (03) 34 (24) Divorce - All My Freaks (17) (07) 35 (45) The Wombats - Blood On The Hospital Floor (35) (01) 36 (31) DEADLETTER - Credit To Treason (12) (10) 37 (26) The Horrors - Trial By Fire (24) (04) 38 (46) Two Shell - Mirror (38) (01) 39 (37) Laura Marling - Caroline (31) (05) 40 (28) Jamie xx feat. Kelsey Lu, John Glacier & Panda Bear - Dafodil (04) (13)

5 Smith & Burrows - When The Thames Froze 4 Courteeners - Winter Wonderland 3 Los Campesinos! - When Christmas Comes 2 The Pipettes - Santa's On His Way 1

5 Mew - She Came Home For Christmas 4 Badly Drawn Boy - Donna and Blitzen 3 Laura Marling - Goodbye England (Covered In Snow) 2 The Darkness - Christmas Time (Don't Let The Bells End) 1 Fountains of Wayne - I Want an Alien For Christmas

Too many of their recent singings have had minimal impact (Doku, Nunes, Savinho), and too many of their players are no where near what they were (KdB, Walker, Gundogan). When you add in Rodri's injury and the bizarre sale and non-replacement of Alvarez I definitely think it's a season too far and T4 contenders is their current limit. 4 games against City since promotion and each previous time you've got to be absolutely on it to stand any chance, hope they're not and they're a bit wasteful and maybe grab a point like 22/23. It feels so weird seeing Man City A as the next fixutre and thinking we've every chance of taking something.

I do wonder how good a move to Red Bull would be for any of them individually, it's hard to imagine anyone putting in quite the performance level of Perez in the last 6 months, but also don't see any of their realistic replacements getting anywhere near to being competitive with Max. I think they probably were hoping Lawson would come in and beat Tsunoda. Tsunoda probably is their best option, but that's not saying much. There's a reason why he's never been seen as being in realistic contention for the main team, as mid as mid-tier drivers get.

Delighted my top 2 were the top 2, although shame they weren't the other way around - Sao Paolo is truly magnificent and B&H always been one my favourites by Muse, significantly underrated. I knew 5 of these really well previously, so always difficult to be able to place new vs. classic, but Built To Spill was great, deserved being ranked higher.

Oh my, what a dreadful bunch! Gone for Nigel and Marvin, didn't want to be reminded of its existence. The 3 still on 0 HAVE to be the final three, surely?!

I can't say I recall It's Not That Easy, but difficult to image a Lemar song would be offensive enough to get 50% of the vote from this list. Not much I care for, but Dangerous out of those

01 (03) Michael Kiwanuka - The Rest of Me (01) (06) (1 week) 02 (01) Jake Bugg - Never Said Goodbye (01) (07) (3 weeks) 03 (02) Blankenberge - New Rules (02) (08) 04 (04) Public Service Broadcasting - Towards the Dawn (04) (08) 05 (08) FKA Twigs - Perfect Stranger (05) (04) 06 (12) Kaktus Einarsson feat. Damon Albarn - Gumbri (06) (04) 07 (06) Japandroids - All Bets Are Off (06) (08) 08 (11) Caribou - Got To Change (08) (06) 09 (05) Franz Ferdinand - Audacious (02) (10) 10 (07) The Horrors - The Silence That Remains (05) (08) 11 (26) clipping. - Keep Pushing (11) (02) 12 (09) FKA twigs - Eusexua (01) (11) (2 weeks) 13 (10) Heartworms - Warplane (10) (05) 14 (19) Courteeners feat. DMA's - The Beginning of the End (14) (05) 15 (13) Vitesse X - Careless (11) (07) 16 (29) Doves - Renegade (16) (02) 17 (20) Romy & Sampha - I'm On Your Team (17) (04) 18 (23) Thus Love - All Pleasure (18) (03) 19 (18) High Vis - Guided Tour (18) (04) 20 (33) HVOB - What They Gave Me (20) (02) 21 (15) Pale Blue Eyes - How Long Is Now (15) (06) 22 (14) Honeyglaze - Pretty Girls (01) (15) (4 weeks) 23 (21) DJ Seinfeld - Hopecore (21) (05) 24 (17) Divorce - All My Freaks (17) (06) 25 (41) Squid - Crispy Skin (25) (01) 26 (24) The Horrors - Trial By Fire (24) (03) 27 (30) Lauren Mayberry - Crocodile Tears (27) (03) 28 (16) Jamie xx feat. Kelsey Lu, John Glacier & Panda Bear - Dafodil (04) (12) 29 (32) Egoism - Melbourne (29) (03) 30 (42) Los Campesinos! - Wait (30) (01) 31 (25) DEADLETTER - Credit To Treason (12) (09) 32 (22) Sea Lemon feat. Benjamin Gibbard - Crystals (11) (08) 33 (39) Man/Woman/Chainsaw - The Boss (33) (02) 34 (27) Obongjayar - Just My Luck (27) (05) 35 (44) 86TVs - Out of the Blue (35) (01) 36 (36) Cleo Sol - Fear When You Fly (36) (02) 37 (35) Laura Marling - Caroline (31) (04) 38 (34) James Blake feat. Lil Yachty - Midnight (03) (14) 39 (**) Michael Kiwanuka - One And Only (39) (01) 40 (28) Yune Pinku - Half Alive (02) (11)

Just a Day... a B-Side so good and popular it got its own release and charted higher than the original song, whilst doubling Feeder's career tally of weeks inside the top 20. That and In Too Deep are comfortably my favourites here, but Daniel, Kylie and Sophie are classic pop songs still worthy of being listened to. And the 'Phonics cover is ok... massively overplayed though I felt. The number one? Meh... passable.

Four Tet KH, Caribou & DJ Seinfeld Bicep, Isla Den, Two Shell and Yune also great New HVOB for November!

01 (01) Jake Bugg - Never Said Goodbye (01) (06) (3 weeks) 02 (02) Blankenberge - New Rules (02) (07) 03 (04) Michael Kiwanuka - The Rest of Me (03) (05) 04 (07) Public Service Broadcasting - Towards the Dawn (4) (07) 05 (03) Franz Ferdinand - Audacious (02) (09) 06 (08) Japandroids - All Bets Are Off (06) (07) 07 (05) The Horrors - The Silence That Remains (05) (07) 08 (14) FKA Twigs - Perfect Stranger (08) (03) 09 (06) FKA twigs - Eusexua (01) (10) (2 weeks) 10 (12) Heartworms - Warplane (10) (04) 11 (15) Caribou - Got To Change (11) (05) 12 (20) Kaktus Einarsson feat. Damon Albarn - Gumbri (12) (03) 13 (11) Vitesse X - Careless (11) (06) 14 (10) Honeyglaze - Pretty Girls (01) (14) (4 weeks) 15 (16) Pale Blue Eyes - How Long Is Now (15) (05) 16 (09) Jamie xx feat. Kelsey Lu, John Glacier & Panda Bear - Dafodil (04) (11) 17 (17) Divorce - All My Freaks (17) (05) 18 (24) High Vis - Guided Tour (18) (03) 19 (25) Courteeners feat. DMA's - The Beginning of the End (19) (04) 20 (28) Romy & Sampha - I'm On Your Team (20) (03) 21 (23) DJ Seinfeld - Hopecore (21) (04) 22 (13) Sea Lemon feat. Benjamin Gibbard - Crystals (11) (07) 23 (30) Thus Love - All Pleasure (23) (02) 24 (34) The Horrors - Trial By Fire (24) (02) 25 (21) DEADLETTER - Credit To Treason (12) (08) 26 (**) clipping. - Keep Pushing (26) (01) 27 (27) Obongjayar - Just My Luck (27) (04) 28 (18) Yune Pinku - Half Alive (02) (10) 29 (42) Doves - Renegade (29) (01) 30 (37) Lauren Mayberry - Crocodile Tears (30) (02) 31 (19) The Smile - Zero Sum (07) (09) 32 (33) Egoism - Melbourne (32) (02) 33 (**) HVOB - What They Gave Me (33) (01) 34 (29) James Blake feat. Lil Yachty - Midnight (03) (13) 35 (31) Laura Marling - Caroline (31) (03) 36 (41) Cleo Sol - Fear When You Fly (36) (01) 37 (22) The Cure - Alone (11) (08) 38 (26) W. H. Lung - Bloom and Fade (21) (06) 39 (**) Man/Woman/Chainsaw - The Boss (39) (01) 40 (32) Anna Prior - Almost Love (03) (09)

Meh. You can tell this is produced with The War on Drugs, but just makes me wish so much it was a War on Drugs song.

01 (03) Jake Bugg - Never Said Goodbye (01) (04) (1 week) 02 (02) Franz Ferdinand - Audacious (02) (07) 03 (01) FKA twigs - Eusexua (01) (08) (2 weeks) 04 (07) Blankenberge - New Rules (04) (05) 05 (04) Jamie xx feat. Kelsey Lu, John Glacier & Panda Bear - Dafodil (04) (09) 06 (10) The Horrors - The Silence That Remains (06) (05) 07 (05) Honeyglaze - Pretty Girls (01) (12) (4 weeks) 08 (14) Public Service Broadcasting - Towards the Dawn (08) (05) 09 (17) Michael Kiwanuka - The Rest of Me (09) (03) 10 (06) Yune Pinku - Half Alive (02) (08) 11 (13) Sea Lemon feat. Benjamin Gibbard - Crystals (11) (05) 12 (19) Japandroids - All Bets Are Off (12) (05) 13 (08) The Smile - Zero Sum (07) (07) 14 (11) The Cure - Alone (11) (06) 15 (20) Vitesse X - Careless (15) (04) 16 (12) DEADLETTER - Credit To Treason (12) (06) 17 (29) Heartworms - Warplane (17) (02) 18 (09) Anna Prior - Almost Love (03) (07) 19 (23) Caribou - Got To Change (19) (03) 20 (28) Pale Blue Eyes - How Long Is Now (20) (03) 21 (24) W. H. Lung - Bloom and Fade (21) (04) 22 (30) Divorce - All My Freaks (22) (03) 23 (21) James Blake feat. Lil Yachty - Midnight (03) (11) 24 (15) Caribou - Come Find Me (05) (09) 25 (31) DJ Seinfeld - Hopecore (25) (02) 26 (43) FKA Twigs - Perfect Stranger (26) (01) 27 (34) Obongjayar - Just My Luck (27) (02) 28 (16) Or:la - Chant (02) (08) 29 (18) W.H. Lung - The Painting of the Bay (07) (08) 30 (47) Kaktus Einarsson feat. Damon Albarn - Gumbri (30) (01) 31 (46) High Vis - Guided Tour (31) (01) 32 (36) Courteeners feat. DMA's - The Beginning of the End (32) (02) 33 (26) Enola Gay - Cortana (26) (06) 34 (22) Boo - Paradise Regained (17) (06) 35 (44) Laura Marling - Caroline (44) (01) 36 (25) Bicep & Benjamin Damage - CHROMA 005 A.L.O.E. (10) (10) 37 (33) Sampha - Dancing Circles 2.0 (32) (04) 38 (**) Romy & Sampha - I'm On Your Team (38) (01) 39 (29) Las Nubes - Pesada (03) (11) 40 (35) 86TVs feat. Jamie T - New Used Car (01) (12) (2 weeks)

+40 Wolf Alice - Don't Delete The Kisses 39 Tame Impala - Let It Happen 38 Wolf Alice - The Last Man On Earth 37 Metric - Doomscroller 36 Billie Eilish - Happier Than Ever 35 Caroline Polachek - Welcome to My Island 34 FKA Twigs - Two Weeks 33 xx – On Hold 32 Chemical Brothers (feat. Q-Tip) - Go 31 Lorde - Green Light 30 Taylor Swift & Bon Iver – Exile 29 Charli XCX & Christine And The Queens - Gone 28 Christine And The Queens - Tilted / Christine 27 Grimes - Flesh Without Blood 26 Taylor Swift - Style 25 Grimes - Kill V. Maim 24 Kiesza - Hideaway 23 HAIM - If I Could Change Your Mind 22 Billie Eilish - Bad Guy 21 Weeknd - Save Your Tears (Original / Ariana Grande Remix) 20 Tove Lo - Habits (Stay High) (Original / Hippie Sabotage Remix) 19 Billie Eilish - Bury a Friend 18 Taylor Swift - Wildest Dreams 17 Peggy Gou - (It Goes Like) Nanana 16 Mr. Probz - Waves (Robin Schulz Remix) 15 SAINt JHN - Roses (Imanbek Remix) 14 Weeknd - Blinding Lights 13 Charli XCX & Troye Sivan - 1999 12 Katy Perry - Never Really Over 11 Little Mix - Touch 10 Billie Eilish - Everything I Wanted 9 Janelle Monáe - Make Me Feel 8 Calvin Harris (feat. HAIM) - Pray To God 7 Harry Styles - As It Was 6 Kungs vs. Cookin On 3 Burners – This Girl 5 Billie Eilish - When the Party's Over 4 Taylor Swift - Anti-Hero 3 P!nk - Trustfall 2 LF System - Afraid To Feel 1 Mark Ronson (feat. Bruno Mars) - Uptown Funk

Reprimand and 5k fine for Norris and Russell.