Andrewy

I can't even believe they gave Armenia points. Kudos to them for giving a good song points, but they can't have seriously expected the UK to give them points when combined, especially when they place them so low? I know they're just supposed to mark their songs in order of favourite, but that was such a waste of points...

Sorry - as I had introduced the use of Sugar in my post, I'd assumed you were. Obviously what you conceptualize WILL produce a child with a world of opportunities available to them. BUT, that doesn't mean that someone with less money or obvious opportunity cannot make the best of themselves. I'm a student at University, and a lot of working class people work here alongside middle and upper classes. It's not their background which is important anymore. As much as I hate student loans, they've made higher education available to a new group of people.

Oh My GOD ... the UK jury gave it's 12 points to GERMANY :manson: UK JURY VOTE 12 Points - Germany 10 Points - Iceland 8 Points - Norway 7 Points - Malta 6 Points - Turkey 5 Points - Ukraine 4 Points - France 3 Points - Bosnia & Herzegovina 2 Points - Armenia 1 Point - Azerbaijan

Did you even read my post? I infact said I DIDN'T mean people like Sugar. I'm not talking about rags-to-riches, millionaires and royalty like some fairytale. I'm talking about the people who've I've encountered who have fought their 'concentration camp' upbringing to make something of themselves as a, for want of a better word, 'normal' or 'regular' life. It's not impossible, or even hugely difficult, for the people in these situations to make themselves a comfortable, enjoyable life.

Yeah, I was thinking 2/3pm for my standing. The doors are at 6, though, not 8, so it's not so bad. I wouldn't care, but it's inside the arena you start queueing, so it's not even like we stand outside for 4 hours and get a tan!

A bit :( But I should also say, I don't think this has any chance of reaching number 2. Or, atleast, SHOULDN'T.

Sorry, but this IS bull$h!t. Anyone can become anything, and there's only so much authorititive figures can do to help. If some kids don't want to learn to their ability (be they from a council estate or an Upper East Side mansion), a teacher won't be able to help them fulfil their potential. Similarly, any kid who does have anything to them and does want to live up to themselves WILL have the opportunity, even at basic levels. I've seen people from dreadful area's shine, not just academically, but also in their personal life, becuase they made it happen for themselves. I'm not talking about becoming millionaires on an Alan Sugar level, but basic civilisation and contentment. If there's no sense of community, what are we supposed to do about that? If they chose to alienate one-another, that's not my problem. I don't see why any MORE of my money should be pumped into desecrated areas when whatever it's spent on will be destroyed by vandalism and theft. I understand that the point you're making, Scott, is that there is vandalism, theft and 'yobbery' because they have nothing else to do. And to a certain extent, I believe that and agree. But, it is just sheer ignorance and unwillingness to even not try and improve oneself IMO. If they don't even want the opportunity to help, they won't get it. ALSO: my lecturer would have a field day with the amount of 'us/them' and 'alientation of the other' in that post :lol: Time to stop revising? Yes.

Imagine if Alexandra were to release a single at the same time, and her to get number 1, them number 2 ... beat again :kink: That was a bit lame, really :(

It does sound a bit ... cheap? Would be great with a better producer, but oh well.

Also, I just had a fangasm, when I realised in 7 days time (exactly!), Ms Spears will be taking to the stage for one of my shows :wub: :cheer:

Yeah I heard she arrives Monday morning, so that'd be about right! eeep! LIKE A WHAAAAAT, LONDON?! :kink:

2007, because Mikko looked like Aaron Samuels from Mean Girls :kink:

Radar as a single?! PLEASE! NOTHING would surprise me right now.

I read this morning they're adding Gimme More, Kill The Lights and Mannequin, and replacing Everytime with Out From Under :o

Nah I don't think so ... I'm surprised she's even on that much to be honest. If someone like Barbara Windsor is on something like 130,000 after so long in EastEnders, Kym can't be on anything like 6 figures.

I hate you :( It did actually occur to me at like 3am this morning you might be joking. But I don't blame myself for even thinking they'd do something as stupid as that, since Touch Of My Hand is there <_<

Poor Simon :( :P

Then they don't deserve a record deal/to win IMO... lol!

Or don't risk it. If they're good enough at 14, they'll still be good at 16. And I do of course mean the Britain's Got Talent 'entering age', not fame in general. If a kid is signed into a record label, for instance, at 14, it's probably gonna be nearly their 16th birthday by the time the record comes out (of course there are exceptions, e.g. JoJo/Miley). Let's face it, Hollie is only there to make Simon a Connie-Fisher$$$.

What a crock of $h!t the Hollie thing was :lol: I LMFAO at how obvious it was, she wasn't even crying, just screwing her face up. My suspicions are one of two: 1) 'Stage Mom' told her to cry to make everyone feel sorry for her 2) It was a Cowell set-up to make him look like a hero. 'The producers say there isn't time' = bull$h!t. Syco is Simon's company, obviously he has the overall say and is the producers' boss. Either way, it proves, as someone has already said, that under 16s shouldn't in this environment, performing to 12+million people, they just can't cope. To be fair, I'd have cried if I was her ... 10 year old or not, she sounded f***ing dreadful. How's she supposed to have a cat in hell's chance of getting through the Royal Variety if she can't even get it together for this?

She looks ... affordable :lol:

I really have zero interest in this, but I know I'll end up seeing it because everyone else is and I don't wanna miss the day out :kink:

Didn't think Gareth or Charlotte would be as high as they are, and expected Darius to be higher. The rest is pretty much as I'd assume.

Are you KIDDING me?! No Circus on The Circus tour? And two of the most sickly saccharine songs she's ever done instead?! I'm glad she's doing slower songs, but don't tell me she's starting the show with My Baby *vom*

I don't even know what point you're making anymore :blink: