Marguerite

This is Shayne's first single as an artist in his own right. That's my Goal was the X Factor song, had Andy or Journey South released it, the end result for that track would have been about the same. No.1 for Xmas and a huge seller. I think his sales are disappointing, not just the physical (and £3.99 for the c.d. could account for those) but it's only been available for download since Sunday, so it should have sold loads more. Crazy has been on downloads for weeks & weeks already selling shedloads before being eligible for the charts. It's a great track though, and a well deserved no.1 in my opinion.

But he wasn't really pitched up against Gnarls, Val. Remember, taking downloads into account, this is Gnarl's third week of release. Off the back of his XFactor win and the massive selling 1st single, anyone would have expected that Shayne was probably going to sell close on 200K this week. Gnarls isn't taking sales away from Shayne (they're a very different genre) Shaynes single is underperforming and I think that's a suprise to most people, no one more than Simon & Louis I bet. The album is the main thing though, so we'll wait to see how that does. The chart placing doesn't really matter, but the culmitive sales certainly will.

I think Shayne's biggest problem is that his manager and record label are firmly routed in the last century, when boybands reigned supreme and Cowell could make stars out of anyone who appeared on tv, from Robson & Greene to Zig & Zag. It's been a bad 18 months for solo male artists anyway, with a couple of exceptions. Indy bands are the in thing now, anyone with a finger on the music pulse, should be looking for the next big band, not going back in time and looking for the new Robbie Williams, George Michael or whoever It's not Shaynes fault and he's probably going to be quite successful this year, thanks to 3 months of the biggest tv promo available. But Cowell & Walsh should be looking for something fresh & innovative for him, not a rehash of 1999's Westlife material. There's is a tired old formula and they're making the mistake of thinking a nice voice, and good looks are going to cover the cracks.

Well if Shayne's ugly, gawd help the rest of us is all I can say. His looks don't appeal to me, but I can recognise the fact that he's a good looking bloke, just not my type 'tis all :D

We all follow artists for different reasons and for me, however many times I see Will promote a song, I know it's going to be a slightly different version every time. Sometimes it's better than others but that's part of the excitement. Even for Will, I would not tune into the obligatory TV shows, just to watch him opening and shutting his mouth in time to his c.d. :P Yesterday, the lovely Gene Pitney died. He'd been around ever since I could remember, great artist, great songs, but I have one very sad abiding memory of him which always comes to mind. Some years ago, he appeared on Richard & Judy to promote his new song or tour or something. He was supposed to be singing live from a boat in the Albert dock, only he wasn't. The music started, Gene didn't. He was standing there, waiting for his cue that never came. It's been shown many times since on 'It'll be alright on the night' type shows and I'm sure many people have laughed their socks off at his predicament. A great singer, a great songwriter, didn't deserve that. It would have been oh so different, if only he had sung live that day as he always had done before and probably since. :(

I'm sure he'll be absolutely fine. His fans will be buying into Shayne the singer this time around, the music will matter more when he releases album 2. Every artist from these Tv talent shows has done well initially and even those who've now disappeared, have realised a dream and have earnt more in a few months, than a lot of us would earn in years. Who knows, his second album could be critically acclaimed, multi platinum selling, or bomb, only time will tell, but for the moment, I would think he's pretty happy with his situation.

I'm very open to any other suggestions val4jaden, if there's something you'd like to tell us, why don't you? As I said, I was replying specifically to Nosiers post, I've absolutely no idea as to what's been going on with Gareth, only what she said, and that was 'it's common knowledge that 19 have been financing this album'

They ask for an address if you fill in those little forms in the c.d. cases. That might account for me never getting any artist info, 'cos I've never filled one in. :D I am registered on Wills official site though, and I still never get anything, not even an e-mail.

Yep, he'll definitely get to no.1, the album will too, and the next single release after that. I think he'll mirror the success that Will & Gareth had 4 years ago in his first year, but the jury's out on what'll happen to him after the inevitable break to come up with album no.2.

Have I missed the bit when someone said they detested Shayne? Don't put words in other peoples posts Baytree, That's s***stirring and totally uncalled for. :angry: It's a perfectly legitimate discussion about Shaynes promotion, and your entitled to put your view. There's no need for the rudeness directed at other members here.

Well that's probably because you're registered on his site, or is it just D you're a member of? Whatever, you got my share, 'cos I didn't receive a single one

Had you read my earlier post Nosier, you would have noticed that I had stated that BMG were not lying, that they could hardly admit to dropping him from a recording contract that they never held in the first place. ;) BTW, my assumptions are based entirely on what you said, i.e that 19 were financing this album. As they hadn't done that in the past, then either the contract between 19 & Sony/BMG as regards Gareth, had come to an end or Sony/BMG chose not to.

If your information is correct that 19 have been financing this album, then it's safe to assume that Sony/BMG severed their ties with Gareth long ago, otherwise they'd have financed it surely? Whether Gareth only ever had a 2 album deal with S records is a possibility, but it seems the media weren't far wrong when the original story first broke over a year ago.

I kinda miss the Darius forum too, like I miss toothache :D Funnily enough, I'd been sitting on my hands, trying not to respond to something on there, when CC disappeared in a puff of smoke. I blame it on that ;)

Well actually, no it isn't. Darius would be looking for a label to finance the writing & recording of an album up front. Had he been an unknown, then he would have gone to the labels with demos etc. but he wasn't. Established artists do change labels of course and depending on how successful they've been ,determines the value of their contract. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that Darius is financing his own album, but that's a massive risk. Producers, co-writers, musicians and studio time costs hundreds of thousands of pounds and with no guarantee of an eventual release, it could cost him plenty. Mark Owen does it, Mel C & Mick Hucknall, to name a few, but they've earned miliions in their time and can afford it. I don't think Darius is in quite the same league yet. The same can be said for Gareth. Has he financed his own album? Perhaps he's had financial help from Simon Fuller, but with the news that he & SONY/BMG have parted company before a 3rd album release, it seems that they've not been involved with him for quite some time, certainly they couldn't have made any investment in his new album, otherwise thay'd be looking to recoup something back.

They're not assumptions val4jaden they're facts. Take a look at one of the Gareth c.ds you own. It'll be marked very clearly on there, '19 recordings, under exclusive license to (probably Ronagold (like Will) part of the BMG company).

Gareths recording contract is, and has always been with 19 recordings. Hence, BMGs wording was accurate, they can hardly drop him from a contract that they haven't got with him. Their agreement, with 19, was to release him under license. Sony/BMG put up the money and they manufacture & distribute the discs and make money for the company in the process. They obviously feel it would not be economically viable to continue with the agreement and have called a halt to proceedings. Much the same happened with Darius and his label last year. Darius and Gareth still have recording contracts, what they don't have now, is a label who'll manufacture, bank roll & distribute their music. How easy it'll be to find a label who will, is another matter.

I'm here Suggy

Daniel Bedingfield. His first album went 5 or 6 times platinum and spawned a couple of massive singles and yet he didn't register at all when he came back last year. I don't really understand what happened and how he lost that amount of support so quickly.

Joe Mott in todays Star is asking all the radio DJs with any influence, to promote the Gnarls Berkeley track, to get it to no.1 instead of Shayne. All a bit childish really, people will buy what they want to buy, whether Joe Mott & co. like it or not.

Going My Way Feel really guilty about that cos I love them all

Mawnin, I've found my way here too :lol: Great that we've got the official release date for Who Am I. Kinda pleased it was put back a few weeks too. All Time Love got such great airplay that I think it needed the break before the new one hits the airwaves :D