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I think bands likes this really do rely disproportionately on touring to promote and sell their new music, so they will suffer the most with the collapse of touring.

Billboard 200 is garbage - getting views on a hit single on YouTube somehow equates to album sales! It makes a mockery of the album format letting hit singles be so easily translated into album sales. Shows the UK downweighting works better. They are #2 on the billboard album sales chart, which you could argue is a fairer comparison to their previous records that charted on sales alone pre Wonderful Wonderful.

I see your point, but I just don’t see it as a messy line. The album chart is supposed to measure popularity of albums, not songs. If 5 Mabel tracks are on a playlist the chances are it’s not an album specific or even Mabel specific playlist, so the person clearly hasn’t chosen to engage with that album. Similarly, for a song I agree a stream is a stream, but for an album I don’t, an album has always be a specific and explicit way of consuming music as opposed to radio and singles and (now to me) playlists. I agree the user made playlist is a difficult one to get right, but I can’t imagine one album only specific playlists are that bigger thing which is the only grey area.

Overall, it has far more fresh talent, movement and a diversity of genres that the singles chart does. It’s not perfect but to me it’s operating relatively well with the 2 songs downgraded rule and the weighting of sales. It feels like it actually measures who cares about an artist or album. The one thing I think needs changing is the hits compilations. They can’t forever chart it’s wrong - a stream should count to whatever album it’s played from. If you choose Mr. brightside from Hot Fuss, that album gets the stream, if you choose it from Direct Hits, that album does. It’s the singles chart that’s broken! We decided not to include airplay like the US does, but hitting play on a playlist chosen by a big company now determines what charts - it’s no different to listening to radio. Playlists should be downweighted to the 600:1 ratio regardless of if the play is premium or free. The singles chart used to show what people had paid and *chosen* to consume, that is now not always the case.

The killers

They actually said on their Instagram live last night they’re hoping to get it all on Spotify by this Xmas! I think some were Apple exclusives which has presented some barriers. Really digging the album! Strongest since D&A for me!

Just realised this only had a 7 week run in the album chart. Comparing to 44 weeks for its predecessor, and 71 and 168 weeks for the two before that. Steep decline :o

Anybody got any predictions on what this will do week 1? WW opened with 50k, in a better market, R1 support and a fair bit of promo. I’m gonna go between 35k and 40k.

Thanks!

Sorry if this has been addressed elsewhere - the reduced ACR rate of 200:1 sales, does this apply only to the charts or also to the BPI certification level and OCC total sales figures? Or does it only apply to charts and total sales and certifications are always based on 100:1?

Has Vidcapper permanently stopped the weekly YTD albums? ☹️

Sorry to double post this question but does anyone know where I can find an archive of US Radio audience impressions? Kworb goes back to 2012 - I’d like to go back a few more years.

Bit of a random question - I want to find US ‘audience impressions’ of some past radio hits in the US. I can go back to 2012 on kworb’s archive - does anyone know another place that would go back a few more years?

They played (not great quality) of 'Dying Breed' on their Instagram live tonight. Looks like that is the second single and it is *big*.

But as has been said, in the US first #1 on Alt/Rock for 13 years (longest gap between #1's ever) and starting to be picked up by more HAC stations so not a flop at all. In the UK I'm assuming R2 will support it soon, probably a late impact date. Virgin Radio and XFM have been playing it to death.

And it was their first single to be BPI certified since the D&A era!

Don't make work for yourself! I just realised that for me these are the go encyclopaedia for sales etc.and are amazing work and I often struggle to find them. Another option which is easier is could you make a version of your famous spreadsheet available to be shared on google drive or something? Then periodically update the version available to be shared. I for one would find that invaluable.

Hi vidcapper, I’m keen to look through past y/e t100 albums and singles. I’ve found a few sporadically, but can’t find them in the sales vault. As such important overarching reference points could you collate them all by year in one part of the forum?

Thank you near 2x Platinum then! I know you probably haven't tracked for a while, but any idea for their latest release Killers - Wonderful Wonderful? Thanks for all your work

Total sales for Killers - Direct Hits can’t possible be correct?

Any change for Killers - Wonderful Wonderful?

07 A Dustland Fairytale 08 All These Things That I've Done 07 Bones 08 For Reasons Unknown 07 Here With Me 07 Human 07 Just Another Girl 06 Miss Atomic Bomb 08 Mr. Brightside 05 Peace Of Mind (no music video) 06 Read My Mind 09 Run For Cover 05 Runaways 05 Rut 06 Shadowplay 07 Shot At The Night 08 Smile Like You Meant It 08 Somebody Told Me 08 Spaceman 10 The Man 08 World We Live In 07 Tranquilize (feat. Lou Reed) 09 When You Were Young Christmas Singles: 08 A Great Big Sled (feat. Toni Halliday) 08 Don't Shoot Me Santa 07 Joseph, Better You Than Me (feat. Elton John & Neil Tennant) 04 ¡Happy Birthday Guadalupe! (feat. Wild Light and Mariachi El Bronx) 06 Boots 04 The Cowboys' Christmas Ball 06 I Feel It In My Bones 06 Christmas In L.A. (feat. Dawes) 05 Joel, The Lump of Coal (feat. Jimmy Kimmel) 05 Dirt Sledding (feat. Ryan Pardey and Richard Dreyfuss)

You are completely correct. This is why I said in a perfect world I wouldn't count them. But how is streaming songs through menus/playlists and not accessing them through the album at all showing an *album* is popular?

In a perfect world I wouldn't want to allow it as the US does, it's clearly not someone opting to part with their cash for an album. However, I find myself totally in favour of it today. In an age where your 'album sales' rocket because you have a track on a spotify playlist or similar, how can we possibly count things where someone is making no concsious choice to engage with an album (rather than a track), and then not count it when someone is paying £70 to see an artist and is voluntarily seeking out their new album. Secondly as an aside, and a chart forum is the wrong place to say this, it's right these acts have contemporary recognition. Bon Jovi had 375,000 americans part with $70+ yet would get less press than someone who got 20,000 people paying $10 for an album. Until we have a popular multi metric overall artist chart which includes tickets i'm all for these type of guys getting contemporary recognition for their huge ahcievments.

Haim - something to tell you Killers - wonderful wonderful please :) Thanks!