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DNA for me because the production dates it unfortunately!

Yes, I found it particularly interesting how they spoke about Kate Thornton, then editor of Smash Hits, refusing to come out of her office for the girls because she felt the magazine should be more aligned to the Britpop movement. I actually listened to her podcast show when Louise Redknapp was a guest and she tells a totally different story of how she embraced them. When it reality, she talks about shooting the Smash Hits cover for October 1996, well after they had blown up.

Maybe a way to pay back Chris Herbert :P

I also can't believe they didn't have the Spice Girls: In America Tour Documentary ready to go for December 98. It would've really helped the promo for 'Goodbye' since they couldn't travel to places internationally and been a big talking point (seeing them go on without Geri). They just chucked it out almost a year after the tour had finished? They could've done so much more with it, I think even Spiceworld: The Documentary would've been a more fitting title and tied in with the era. Without Simon, it was clear there was a lack of plan in place and they were just relying on their previous success to keep them going.

I still can't believe she done nothing with the Popstars: The Rivals gig. She made great connections with ITV (even featuring in the indents at the time) and didn't think to launch a new campaign off that?

Change Your Life (this song is seriously abominable with the talking parts) Hair Think About Us (inessential in their discography)

I don't think they ever bettered the run of Wannabe- Say You'll Be There - 2 Become 1. They were all great in their own and had a story behind them. The Spiceworld era really lacked in comparison.

In my opinion, Northern Star is better than any Spice album. I'm also surprised Virgin didn't give Reason a stronger push, considering they focused more on Melanie than the group during 99/2000. Maybe they realised the material wasn't as strong as her debut.

You need to remember, outside of an official documentary that's not aired in over 15 years, their story has not been told on such a global level. If they get one of the streaming giants on board, it's going to re-introduce them and their story to those who maybe haven't paid attention since the 90s and maybe even a younger generation who aren't familiar with them. If it's a success, who knows what it may lead to...

Their team would be wise to push this next year with a Goodbye25 release.

Yeah, we should change this thread name to Little Mix Leaks and insert all videos. So far we've had: Senorita ft Maluma Stay The Night snippet National Manthem into Love a Girl Right (it initially wasn't a stand alone track) Love a Girl Right (Explicit Version) Strip (Explicit Version) Monster in Me (Demo) Woman Like Me (Demo)

When reading through old Billboard Magazines they confirmed the 'Boyfriend/Girlfriend' duet in Studio X in Seattle during a tour stop in Tacoma. The tour date was August 8th 1998 and they had 3 days off prior.

I already mentioned in the girls UK Chart thread when reading through old Music Week magazines they were on shaky ground with the press, radio & TV in 2000. They were playlisting 'Holler' but didn't throw full support behind it like their previous releases. Once the single went in at #1, airplay shot up by quite a margin. It was #1 on MTV UK. But once Forever underperformed, they were all too happy to drop them. 'Holler' began to experience one of the speediest declines on the radio airplay, slipping 2-7-26-23-40-84. It departed the Top 50 3x quicker than any other Top 5 Airplay Hit of that year. This is why I think had the girls done a bit more extensive promo, the era would have been more successful and at least reached 2x Platinum. I also think the Forever era proves the Spice Girls were no puppets and had full creative control, to their detriment in some ways. Who at Virgin Records was approving Mel B to release 'Hotter' one month before 'Forever' and Melanie C to release 'If That Were Me' a couple of weeks after the album release? The label should've put their foot down and known this was no strategy for a major pop act. But I think there was an almost arrogance that demand would be there for Forever, promotion or not.

For me, it's easily Mel C & Left Eye. Lisa embodied the song perfectly with her verse. It still surprises me Virgin pushed I Turn To You in the US as opposed to NBTSA, it would've faired far better imo.

I have worked with all the information I have, these are the best estimates I can give. If anyone can help fill in the gaps, please do! Spice: 16/11/96 - Week 01. #01 - 155,000 [Confirmed - I'm basing this off of Music Week's initial report, despite them revising it twice] 23/11/96 - Week 02. #02 - <93,000 [Estimate - Less than half of Robson & Jerome's 187,000] 30/11/96 - Week 03. #02 - 150,000 - 155,000 [Estimate - Less than Robson & Jerome's 168,000 but had sold around 400,000 copies by this point] 07/12/96 - Week 04. #01 - 170,000 [Confirmed] 14/12/96 - Week 05. #01 - 217,000 [Confirmed] 21/12/96 - Week 06. #01 - 271,000 [Confirmed] 28/12/96 - Week 07. #01 - 364,000 [Confirmed] 04/01/97 - Week 08. #01 - 375,000 [Confirmed] 11/01/97 - Week 09. #01 - 119,000 [Confirmed] 18/01/97 - Week 10. #01 - 65,000 [Confirmed] 25/01/97 - Week 11. #01 - 54,000 [Confirmed] 01/02/97 - Week 12. #02 - <49,000 [Estimate] 08/02/97 - Week 13. #03 - <55,000 [Estimate] 15/02/97 - Week 14. #04 - <47,000 [Estimate] 22/02/97 - Week 15. #03 - <92,000 [Estimate] 01/03/97 - Week 16. #03 - <24,000 [Estimate - #2 sold a little over 50% less than #1 album at 48,000] 08/03/97 - Week 17. #01 - 72,000 [Confirmed] 15/03/97 - Week 18. #01 - <152,000 [Estimate] 22/03/97 - Week 19. #01 - 62,000 [Confirmed] 29/03/97 - Week 20. #01 - 65,000 [Confirmed] 05/04/97 - Week 21. #01 - 85,000 [Confirmed] 12/04/97 - Week 22. #01 - 59,000 [Confirmed] 19/04/97 - Week 23. #02 - 35,000 [Confirmed] 26/04/97 - Week 24. #02 - <43,000 [Estimate] 03/05/97 - Week 25. #03 - <56,000 [Estimate - #2 sold 56,000] 10/05/97 - Week 26. #02 - <33,000 [Estimate] 17/05/97 - Week 27. #01 - 23,700 [Confirmed - Spice has sold 2.36 million, the 8th biggest selling album of all time in the UK at that point] 24/05/97 - Week 28. #02 - 18,500 [Estimate - #1 had a 50% lead] 31/05/97 - Week 29. #02 - 25,000 [Confirmed] 07/06/97 - Week 30. #03 - <58,000 [Estimate] 14/06/97 - Week 31. #04 - <26,000 [Estimate] 21/06/97 - Week 32. #05 - <24,000 [Estimate] 28/06/97 - Week 33. #05 - <34,000 [Estimate - #2 sold 34,000] 05/07/97 - Week 34. #03 - <45,700 [Estimate - #2 sold 45,700 - Spice has now sold 2.7 million in the UK] 12/07/97 - Week 35. #04 - <40,000 [Estimate - #1 sold 317,000, outsold #2 by more than 8:1 and sold twice as many copies as the rest of Top 10 altogether] 19/06/97 - Week 36. #05 - <37,000 [Estimate - #2 sold 37,000] 26/07/97 - Week 37. #04 - <16,500 [Estimate - #1 sold 66,000 - outsold #2 by more than 4:1] 02/08/97 - Week 38. #02 - <49,000 [Estimate] 09/08/97 - Week 39. #04 - <18,000 [Estimate - #1 sold 36,000 - outsold #2 by 2:1] 16/08/97 - Week 40. #04 - <29,000 [Estimate - #2 sold 29,000] 23/08/97 - Week 41. #06 - <13,500 [Estimate - #5 debuted with 13,500] 30/08/97 - Week 42. #09 - <33,000 [Estimate - #1 sold 696,000, outsold #2 21:1] 06/09/97 - Week 43. #11 - <23,500 [Estimate - #1 sold 235,000, outsold #2 10:1] 13/09/97 - Week 44. #09 - <19,000 [Estimate - #1 sold 95,000, outsold #2 5:1] I'll try get on to Spiceworld but estimates will be even harder because of its chart run. Thanks Jay for providing us with the estimates of the first 8 weeks!

It was 870k, typo on my part!

No problem at all, glad to share and love discussing all things charts ^_^ A Music Week article said in Week 6, it had increase of 3% - I think that roughly works out at 124,000? It was the second highest in the list, behind Jamiroquai with a budget of £750k and just in front of All Saints Under The Bridge at £280k. From my understanding, this was the UK label budgets only. Slightly O/T but reading through the old articles confirmed my dislike of All Saints (not their music!), their first interview with Music Week Melanie Blatt goes as far to say "we're better looking than them and have higher IQ's" It always struck me how they would come for Spice Girls marketing gimmick, when their gimmick was to be marketed as the "anti-Spice Girls". Any article containing All Saints always had something to say about the Spice Girls. It was a clear marketing ploy for London Records, who wanted a slice of the Spice phenomenon. Yes, even though Holler got the most radio adds when it was serviced, the likes of Radio 1, MTV & The Box didn't give as much as support as they did with their previous releases. I'm guessing they were unsure of the Spice Girls staying power and didn't want to be seen as supporting something that could be deemed as past it. But when the single went straight in at #1, airplay shot up. It wasn't until the album underperformed they dropped their support, quite drastically as you can see by the figures. It just shows how fickle the media were at the time with the girls.

Some (mostly) UK chart facts from Music Week: This has more than confirmed to me, if the girls had actually put in effort to promote 'Forever', it would have been a success in the UK at least. Industry support was there (to a lesser extent) but once 'Holler' went in at #1, the airplay shot up. It was #1 on MTV, local radio were also supporting. Even the opening sales of 'Forever' were the second highest #2 sales of the year. They would have never beaten Westlife but the era wouldn't have went into such free fall had they just kept up appearances and seen the campaign through.

This was the UK figures for the tins, apologies I should've made that clear! There was also some great articles on why their radio support dropped significantly during the second era. It was mostly down to the industry feeling they were targeting pre-teens and the US Top 40 radio demographic at that time was for an older audience. Billboard were also incredibly balanced and fair in their reporting of the girls, who we know were receiving massive backlash, even going as far to correct Entertainment Weekly who proclaimed that Spice World only sold "a less than sizzling 100,000 copies in its second week" Billboard were quite right to say this was far from mundane sales that was being claimed and actually a great achievement! They also questioned why the girls didn't attend the 1998 American Music Awards as they had only been in the Los Angeles area a couple of days before. Accepting 3 awards in person would've fared far better and almost definitely increased album sales, potentially even a new peak. And they're still making questionable decisions stunting their potential almost 25 years later :P

I've been reading some old Billboard Magazines, some interesting worldwide facts here:

After seeing some of these comments I was expecting the worst. Far from that! Was it her best vocal performance? Definitely not but her beautiful tone was always there.

I put this together last year. Don’t know if it’s what you’re looking for but there are some cd and vinyl chart positions for some countries :) Exactly what I was looking for! Thank you.

Does anyone have a list of the Spice25 WW Chart positions? There's a few listed here but not all. Did they go Top 10 anywhere than the UK?

Not sure why she doesn't just release a Christmas album to accompany the tour? Maybe that's the plan and she will do a lot of promo around the Xmas period.

Their US team simply didn't see it for them and put in minimal effort. Let's not forget the Billboard Magazine journalist who tried to score them a big feature, only to be shot down and offered a phone interview.