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Yes! That is the rough mix on the promo I linked. The cover they have on the video is incorrect. I have that specific promo and none of the tracks are different. Much more mid-tempo than what was released. Here’s the uncensored Pack Your Shit. Here’s the rough mix of Lullaby. This is the ‘Mix for Approval’ of Tell Me that’s shorter than the album version. All from that Hot promo. The Sea promo: Let There Be Love (Not Yet Mastered) American Sweetheart (Demo) Drown (Demo) Beautiful Mind (Demo) One by One (Rough Demo) Back In Your Arms (Demo) Stupid Game (Demo) You are correct. The Drown demo does come from the two promos. I can’t find a link for Beautiful Mind or Stupid Game unfortunately. Beautiful Mind sounds like it’s the same as the album version. Maybe a rough vocal, but it’s pretty close. Stupid Game is a demo though, I’ll keep trying to find a link for you. None of the videos I’ve come across are the same demo. I also need to correct some of the info I gave regarding the 11-track promo of The Sea. I think Drown and One By One are the only tracks that are different from the final versions. These are the same as the links I gave above. The rest of the tracks labeled as a demo sound like rough mixes that haven’t been mastered. Similar to the NS Work In Progress. Other than some balancing and volume inconsistency, they’re pretty much identical I’m afraid. No significant differences. Even the ‘Latest Dance Mix’ of Stupid Game is closer to what was released than I remember. Tbh I haven’t listened to most of them in years and should have before posting. SMH. Links for the remaining tracks not on the previous promo: Get Out Of Here (Demo) Stupid Game (Latest Dance Mix) Weak (Latest Mix)

That does make sense. It’s the easiest and least confusing way without having to add a third category IMO. It’s not really any different than listing a single edit/version or radio edit as an alternate version to the main album version.

Thank you!!!

Could anyone direct me to an American retailer, or one that ships to the US, selling the Reason vinyl online? I grabbed the NS vinyl at my local shop when it was released and would love to add this one to my collection.

Glad to help! If I think of anything else I’ll be sure to post it. There is one Mel B promo for Hot that has a rough mix of Lullaby that is a rough mix and a slightly different version of Pack Your Shit that is completely uncensored and has a different intro. It’s also about twenty seconds shorter. The mix of Tell Me is also about twenty seconds shorter. It does become difficult figuring out how to categorize them. I do think your idea of separating them into the two categories is the best option. You could argue that anything prior to the final mix and release could be considered a demo, so that’s probably the best way to label them unless you want to drive yourself crazy. For most of what I’ve posted, the rough mixes aren’t exactly rough mixes. If something was considered a rough mix on a promo prior to 2005-ish, it was usually labeled as such for internal purposes to distinguish it from a final edit or master so it wouldn’t accidentally be included in the master sent to production facilities for the physical releases. There are some tracks that fit in the grey area between a demo and a not mastered final mix. One example, Emma’s rough mix of A Girl Like Me is not a demo. It has a fully produced vocal (the same vocals used for the released version) and backing track, and the mix was late stage. It was beefed up to add another poppy/upbeat song to the album since it already had a significant amount of mid-tempos. So while it isn’t the final mix, it isn’t a demo either. This would fit in the same category as Mel C’s ‘Latest Dance Mix’ of Stupid Game on the second promo I linked as well as the pre-release version of On The Horizon that I mentioned as well. None of the tracks labeled as rough mixes on the Mel C Work In Progress are demos. They are the finished mixes that were then sent off for mastering. Even You Taught Me and Independence Day are both finished tracks. All would qualify as unreleased tracks/edits that are not mastered rather than unreleased demos. The only ‘rough mix’ demo is One By One. It’s an acoustic demo with just her solo vocal and a guitar. The others labeled as just ‘demo’ are actually demos. Personally, I’d like to thank you for your work on this list. It has greatly improved the running list I had going 15 years ago. The publishing sites are a great resource for comparing tracks mentioned on fan sites, and Discogs is also a really great site for finding information on remixes (specifically) that weren’t commercially released at the time. With the girls as a group and solo, most of the promos listed on Discogs were sent to radio/publications. They don’t differ from commercial releases for the most part other than what I’ve posted. I’m still digging though, so if I remember anything or come across anything specific I’ll be sure to let you know. Please feel free to PM me if you have any other questions or you think I might be able to clarify information you got elsewhere. I’ll do my best.

You have the Billy Steinberg mix listed as being on the Work In Progress. Don’t quote me, but I think it was found on a publishing site around the same time as Show Me The Way, I Didn’t Hear You Leave, and I Won’t Leave You Alone. It’s not been seen on any promo so far. There’s a Reason promo which I believe is this one. It features an unmixed/unmastered mix of On The Horizon. There are two German promos for The Sea. The first is this one. Let There Be Love is not mastered. One By One is a rough demo. All the rest are demos and different from their released versions. The second promo. Let There Be Love, Drown and One By One are the same as the former promo. Neither of the “Latest” mixes are the same as the album version. The rest is pretty self-explanatory. For Emma, I can only think of the first album promo that had Everybody Wants To Be. There’s a rough mix of A Girl Like Me. The rest of the album is the same. Hopefully that’s what you meant.

I just found the listing for the promo with the extended I Want You Back.

I haven’t found a Discogs link for this one in quite a while. It was there for a really long time under the album listing, but I haven’t seen it in years. It was pretty well known among Mel C fans back then that this existed. You Taught Me leaked in the middle of the album campaign if I remember correctly. It was listed in her discography on most fan pages that had a comprehensive listing as early as 2000. I’m not exactly sure when it leaked, but they were .ra files if that tells you anything (RealAudio for anyone who wasn’t around then). I used to think the Rick Nowels mix was the one on the single, and that the released version was the other unreleased mix. I live in the US, so I didn’t know any better. It wasn’t until 2003 when I started buying her singles online I realized I had burned the wrong mix onto the end of my NS deluxe I made in 2001 or so. For reference I’ll post the timings for the promo versus the (released) versions, as well as comparisons to the American promo where applicable. Goin Down (Single Version) 3.44 (3.38) - No difference to the released single version. Just silence at the beginning and end of the track that makes up the difference. Ga Ga (Rick Rubin Mix) 3.54 (3.52) - Album version. Why (Pat McCarthy Mix) 5.44 (5.29) - Slightly extended outro with a later fade, otherwise the same. This is also the version found on the American preliminary album promo. Never Be The Same Again (Pat McCarthy Mix) 4.54 (4.54) - Album version. I Wonder What It Would Be Like (Rick Rubin) 3.43 (3.40) - Same as the released version. I Wonder What It Would Be Like (Rick Nowells) 3.44 - Alternate mix. If That Were Me (Pat McCarthy Mix) (4.33) - Album version. Suddenly Monday (Rough Mix) 4.33 (2.37) - Significantly extended from the album version. The American promo has an edit of 3.06. Both feature longer instrumental sections and extended outros. Closer (Rough Mix) 6.36 (5.44) - Another longer outro without a fade. The American promo has an even longer edit at 6.44. Both are relatively similar. Be the One (Rough Mix) 3.40 (3.37) - Album version. Northern Star (Pat McCarthy Mix) 5.37 (5.32) - This is the Full Version that was released on the single. The American promo has an edit that clocks 4.50, about ten seconds longer than the released album version. The fade is a bit longer. Independence Day (Rough Mix) 4.28 - This is the “first version” I mentioned above. The same mix appears on the American promo. You Taught Me (Rough Mix) 4.50 - I think we all know this one.

There’s the Rick Nowells Mix of I Wonder What It Would Be Like that was also on the Work In Progress promo along with the released version. The Billy Steinberg demo leaked as well. There’s also an extended version of Mel C’s I Want You Back that clocks in at 3.36. It’s only 16 seconds longer and I’ve never been able to figure out what the difference is beyond a couple of seconds of silence at the beginning. It was on a promo with the edit that was released along with two(?) tracks, I think the album edit and the album version of NBTSA. Someone else will have to confirm which promo. I can’t seem to find it on Discogs now.

There’s an entirely different version that was recorded during the sessions for Northern Star. Both the soundtrack and Japanese Reason tracks are exactly the same. This is the original version. The promo Work In Progress and an American promo both have this version. She also performed it throughout 1999/2000 which you can see in videos like this. There was some debate at the time about its possible inclusion on the North American edition of the album. It was included as track 12 with Feel The Sun as track 13 on an Amazon listing at one time. It’s frequently labeled as a rough mix, but it is merely unmastered and was considered the final version until it was revisited early in the Reason sessions and reproduced and recorded with entirely new vocals.

This was alleged to have been recorded during the US leg of SW98. There was a tape or CD that was in Mel C’s storage unit that went up for auction. I don’t think it’s ever been confirmed if they had vocals on it or if it was just a reference. On that note, does anyone have those pictures from the eBay post? I can’t remember what else was on some of those.

Publishing sites are just a database used to license music for a variety of commercial purposes. It’s served a dual purpose over the years as a way for fans of any fandom to see if they could find proof of songs that allegedly existed. I couldn’t tell you the connection between Tim and SIAE. I’d have to do some digging on that one. I’ve never heard of SIAE until now.

I never found credits for All We Need, so that is definitely interesting to see. It’s been a good 15 years since I searched publishing for the Touch era writers. I kinda lost interest and was more interested in the newer stuff for the GH and other artists. Don’t Look Back comes from a list of presumed Touch tracks that included I Don’t Wannabe (called Don’t Wannabe), and Don’t You Break My Heart under Alan Glass. None of which were confirmed until years later. The top of my sheet has my grandpa’s name on it in the header, so I printed it off at his house sometime between him getting his computer Dec 98 and when I got mine in Aug 1999. I can’t give any more specifics on that. I probably copies the info from the post to use it as a reference so I wouldn’t forget about them. My credits for Don’t Look Back are here. I wouldn’t have added them to my page unless there was a publishing entry for it. I would have used ASCAP for most of my searches, and then BMI or Warner-Chappell for anything I couldn’t find there. I’m 100% positive I used BMI for the Touch tracks. There was definitely an entry, but with that Tim entry, now I’m extremely confused Maybe it’ll leak too!

I think people are running out of things to trade. They’re getting desperate for the things they don’t have and will do/share whatever they can to get what they want. That’s all fine and everything, but the other party has to hold up their end of the deal. Which is probably why it’s so quiet today and nothing has happened. The guy that owns the SW98 shows promised to share some in exchange for unreleased material. People have been sharing what they’ve got to lure him in, and then he flat out says he’s not going to share anything now. So people stop sharing. Fingers crossed it’ll pick up again. Apologies, I didn’t clarify. The two links I have are to my own website geocities.com/esgd2001, and to a SpiceZone post http://forum.spicezone.com/137.html. The links to Yahoo and MSN would have been on those pages. I did take a look on Wayback and found the forum and site years ago. I think there was only one more version of this forum before it closed and everyone migrated to Denden. Have to laugh at the music video downloads being under 4mb. They still took an eternity to load. What I’ve really been trying to find is the post on there and on Spice News about one of the fake third albums called Open, Hurt, And Close. I can’t remember if it was 1999 or closer to the album release, but I know I’m not crazy. It definitely happened.

The list wasn’t entirely accurate when it comes to Emma. There were a lot of songs that were attributed to the Free Me era that were LIM tracks, and vice versa. That’s Why It Hurts could possibly have been demoed during AGLM, but the recording we have comes from sessions for LIM. In Another Life was labeled as a Free Me track, but an insider said it was demoed for what would eventually become LIM. The registration number was much closer to tracks completed for Free Me than the later LIM tracks which is where I believe the confusion comes. I haven’t done a comparison to see if any registrations have been updated, so I can’t confirm 100%.

Ok, I’m a bit of an insomniac, so I went down the rabbit hole. These are the only discrepancies that I noticed. I hope this helps some. I’ll try to find the appropriate links from Spice News or other sites, and edit this post accordingly. Most of my publishing info was obtained through ASCAP, APRA, BMI, Warner-Chappell, and Sony Publishing. Apologies in advance for being long-winded. Spice Girls All We Need Is A Miracle* Hard To Kill* In Your Face* I’m almost 100% positive these are entirely fan fiction. There’s never been any sign of a publishing entry for any of the known writers that match these titles. Every other rumored title floating around back then had been confirmed by publishing entries by the mid 2000s. Registration numbers match the time frame for the registration numbers of songs we heard in Raw Spice. The rumor is Chris Herbert had plans to release Raw Spice and then follow it up with an album of tracks recorded before they left. He had to get the approval of Virgin and the girls, which they reluctantly agreed to the documentary in order to veto the album. These three songs were included in a track listing posted on Spice Zone. The only time I’ve seen them mentioned outside a fan forum was on a Geocities fan page that no longer exists, and on this page. Inside Out* - Rumored Spice track. Likely mis-titled. This one is interesting because it was reported on Yahoo and MSN referencing an interview. Both links I have are dead unfortunately. What I do have typed is that it was mentioned in an article about the girls, but not by the girls in 1998. The subject matter was a bit too mature for their audience and it was dropped from consideration after they noticed they had a much younger fan base. Could be Serial Killer based on the description since Feed Your Love was known by this point. Expose* - Another Spice track. I’m pretty certain this is just a flub translating Naked from English to Japanese then back to English. Seems to stem from an interview in Japanese with a rep from Virgin discussing Spice and its success. The only song mentioned that wasn’t on the album. No mention of the song otherwise outside the fandom. Walk The Same Line* - I have in my notes this was recorded for the movie and wasn’t considered for the album. Then I’ve just got “Abbey Road” written down with nothing else, so maybe it was recorded at Abbey Road Studios, or it’s another mis-labeled track. Could very well be a line from Seven Days that references Abbey Road/The Beatles. If Ya Do* (featuring Janet Jackson) - Both this and the rumored band only version are fake. Stems from an interview with Emma prior to Holler/LLLTW where she was asked if there were any artists she’d like to work with and she said Janet. It appeared on a fake track listing a few months before Forever was released called 4Ever which included Holler (as Holler Holler), Right Back At Ya, Oxygen, If You Wanna Have Some Fun, and Woman. Conveniently, the only songs that were known by the fans. The rest of the tracks were just someone being creative. Get Out Of Your Head Saturday Thank You These confuse me. All GH era tracks. They each appeared on both BMI and Warner’s databases for a short time listing the girls as performers and songwriters. Get Out Of Your Head and Thank You were listed as early as the beginning of 2007, with Saturday not being listed until mid 2007. By 2010 my notes say they disappeared. I’ve not been able to find them on other databases. These might be some of the songs that Simon gathered in preparation for the Greatest Hits. It’s likely they were registered and held for the girls for that period of time and then reverted once they disbanded again. It’s also possible it was an error in the entries and they have nothing to do with these songs. Emma Burnt Out and Falling* - If this was recorded by Emma, and that’s a big if, it was during her first album sessions. It was initially reported on the Dotmusic forum as well as Spice News post from January 2001. Allegedly passed on by Virgin in favor of her collaboration with Tin Tin Out, it was recorded by Lisa Scott-Lee, before again being left unreleased for a second time until Lisa’s was released for the deluxe of her album Never or Now a couple years ago. Mel C Time Is Up* - This is fake. The primary source was an online article by The Sun. The only mention of it beyond the forums was a Spice News entry. I don’t have a link for the correct month, though. It was said to have been a new track for a MTV Unplugged album that would be released sometime in 2001. Mel B I’ve Got My Eye On You* - This is from the same sessions with Biff that gave us Lullaby; before she started working with the American producers. In an interview during the recording of Hot, she mentioned the song title and that it was written in response to the murder of Stephen Lawrence. Virgin felt it was too political, so it was shelved. In Da House - This was rumored on a few sites, but there wasn’t any evidence that it was anything other than the live performance at the MOBOs. Most of the sources said Mel and Wyclef premiered a “new” song which is sort of true, but it was only an intro to hype up the crowd. I only have sources in my notes that label it as a rumor. Victoria Tantrum* (w/ True Steppers) - This started circulating as a rumor shortly before the OOYM release. Jonny Lisners of True Steppers was asked about it and said that he didn’t have a clue. They discussed the possibility working on a second track that would be used for her debut, but nothing happened. *All of these songs are listed on this site along with a few we already know, and some other unconfirmed rumors. Last edited in 2002, this is a comprehensive list of all the titles circulating when they were an active band.

I had to create a new account to post this. Full disclosure since it is a little weird when a new account pops in with info. So no worries if there are skeptics. Whatever You Want is actually one of two unreleased first album tracks that she did with Gary Barlow in April 2000. These were some of the last recording sessions she had before they brought in new writers and producers to shift from pure pop to R&B influenced pop. The only song recorded between late 1999 and summer 2000 that made the album was IOU. You referenced my website in your first post (http://spicechronology.atspace.com). It hasn’t been updated in about 20 years. I only made it as a project for a college class, and the pages had their discographies instead. I changed it to what you see since there were a lot of discography sites that were much better than mine. It was just a fun project. I did intend on updating it, but between work and school it just never happened. I had a quick peek, but some things are inaccurate now of course. I still have my binder with database listings, online articles, and some of my own notes that I compiled from the big sources then (Spice Zone, Spice News, dotMusic, Denden, amongst many others). The hyper fixation hits me every couple of years and I go into a deep dive trying to find new info. I’ll see if I’ve got anything to add.