GRIMLY FIENDISH

Rubbish... It clearly indicates that, at BEST, the NTC have no control of their own people, and there is no proper command structure of this rag-tag group of Islamists, Al Qaeda supporters and lunatics, and clearly they lack any form of discipline or self-control... And, sorry, but if you honestly believe an order wasn't given by someone, then you're fooling yourself.... Just wait and see the women's rights, for example, be eroded under this new Islamist command....

...And more proof of the Capitalist vulture's circling... British firms urged to 'pack suitcases' in rush for Libya business New defence secretary says companies should be ready to cash in on reconstruction contracts in newly liberated Libya http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/2...P=FBCNETTXT9038 The starting pistol for British firms to pursue contracts in Libya has been fired by the new defence secretary, Philip Hammond, who urged companies to "pack their suitcases" and head there to secure reconstruction contracts. As Nato announced that it plans to wind up operations in Libya, Hammond said that great care had been taken during the campaign to avoid destroying critical infrastructure. "Libya is a relatively wealthy country with oil reserves, and I expect there will be opportunities for British and other companies to get involved in the reconstruction of Libya," he told the BBC in an interview. "I would expect British companies, even British sales directors, [to be] packing their suitcases and looking to get out to Libya and take part in the reconstruction of that country as soon as they can," said Hammond, who replaced Liam Fox as defence secretary a week ago. He added that after a "hugely successful" British mission in Libya, Britain now needed "to support the Libyans to turn the liberation of their country into a successful stabilisation so that Libya can be a beacon of prosperity and democracy in north Africa going forward." The National Transitional Council has already said that it intends to reward countries who showed support for its fight against the Gaddafi regime, with Britain and France likely to lead the way. The success of British contractors in the country – which could see billions of pounds spent on reconstruction over the next decade – will be seen as a huge victory for prime minister David Cameron, who visited Tripoli and NTC members last month, along with Nicolas Sarkozy. British gains in Libya include business and reconstruction contracts, as well as oil. As Libya's £100bn in frozen assets around the world are released, it is a sizeable pot. Lord Green, a trade minister, has already met with British firms to discuss potential opportunities in Libya, and oil company BP is believed to have already held talks with the NTC. In a press conference in September, Mustafa Abdul Jalil, the interim Libyan prime minister, praised the "brave positions" of Cameron and Sarkozy. "They showed us political, economic and military support, which helped the rebels establish a state, and we thank France and the UK for that," he said. But while Guma al-Gamaty, the NTC's UK representative, has said Libya would honour contracts signed under the Gaddafi regime, he has also indicated that British companies might not get "easy business" from Libya. "There will be huge changes in everything – in the oil and gas sectors, in education, and with the creation of new industrial sectors," he said. "But it's not a guaranteed market. Contracts will be awarded not on the basis of political favouritism, but on merit, quality and competitiveness." France has already begun its own campaign to secure business in the country. French foreign minister Alain Juppé has said it was only "fair and logical" for its companies to benefit. Daniel Kawczynski, a Conservative backbencher and chair of the cross-party parliamentary group on Libya, said Britain should come first when it comes to awarding contracts, which would also pay back some of the cost of some £300m spent on military action. "The question that remains is, who should ultimately bear this cost?" he said. "Should the burden fall on those who could be counted on? Or should, in time, Libya repay those who fought with her, and for her?" He added: "In these difficult economic times, it should not be too much to ask a country with Libya's wealth and resources to pay their share of the gold." --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Reconstruction"??? ROFLMAO... This is nothing more than Iraq Version 2.0..... Disgusting.. Anyone who encourages or defends this is either themselves a thief and looter, or is just too pig ignorant to realise what's really going on, and forgets what happened in Iraq when Haliburton and others LOOTED hundreds of billions of Iraqi oil weatlh.....

http://www.afriqueavenir.org/en/2011/09/02...il-says-report/ Let's not kid ourselves that this "war" is anything other than Imperialism with the "rebels" being backed by foreign powers in return for the Capitalists being given carte blanche to rape Libya's natural resources... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PA-Tripoli (Libya) Libya's National Transitional Council (NTC) have promised France 35% of their country's crude oil in exchange for supporting their struggle to overthrow Colonel Muammar Gaddafi’s 42-year rule, a French newspaper reports here Thursday. In a letter dated April 3 published by Liberation newspaper, the Popular Front for the liberation of Libya, the frontrunner of the NTC now referred to as the sole legitimate representative of the people of Libya, mentioned the oil deal with France during the London summit in March 2011. The letter stresses that Mahmoud Chemmam, the NTC communication officer, was mandated to sign the deal which “assign 35% of Libya’s crude oil to France in return for its total and permanent support for our Council." According to Liberation, French Foreign minister, Alain Juppe, said he had “no knowledge” of such a letter, though a copy was addressed to the Emir of Qatar and to the former secretary general of the Arab League, Amr Moussa. At the beginning of the rebellion, the NTC had promised some favours to the countries that supported the rebels’ fight against Gaddafi. Russian President’s special envoy for Africa and chairman of the Senate foreign relations commission, Michael Margilov, however, told Thursday his country’s news agency “Novosti” that the representative of the new Libyan leadership have reaffirmed their commitment to honor all the agreements they signed between Moscow and the former regime of Tripoli. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Democracy, my arse.... This is precisely the sort of thing that the Global "Occupy..." movement is fighting against....

Almost as if all the confusion were on purpose, eh...? -_-

Talk of a referendum always cracks me up... WE'VE ALREADY HAD ONE.... I really wish the Eurosceptic nobs would get over it, it's a done deal.. We signed the Treaty of Rome.... The treaty was NEVER just about trade.... Ignorant Tory, UKIP and Tabloid-reading morons seriously need to educate themselves..... :rolleyes:

Ahhh, yes, because of course, Assad doesn't like America's satellite state I$rael too much, does he....?

Forget all the "Human Rights" stuff, this is looking like the real reason for Libya regime change..... http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0af_1314128143 1. Libya is Africa’s largest exporter of oil, 1.7 million tons a day, which quickly was reduced to 300-400,000 tons/day due to US-NATO bombing. Libya exports 80% of its oil: 80% of that to several EU lands (32% Italy, 14% Germany, 10% France); 10% China; 5% USA. 2. Gaddafi has been preparing to launch a gold dinar for oil trade with all of Africa’s 200 million people and other countries interested. He has been working with this since 2002 together with Malaysia. As of recently, only South Africa and the head of the League of African States were opposed. Before the invasion of Iraq, Hussein was in agreement as was Sudan, Burney, then Indonesia and United Arab Emirates, also Iran. French President Nickolas Sarkozy called this, “a threat for financial security of mankind”. Much of France’s wealth—more than any other colonial-imperialist power—comes from exploiting Africa.1 3. Central Bank of Libya is 100% owned by state (since 1956) and is thus outside of multinational corporation control (BIS-Banking International Settlement rules for private interests). The state can finance its own projects and do so without interest rates, which reduce the costs by half of private banks. Libya’s central bank (with three branches in the east including Benghazi) has 144 tons of gold in its vaults, which it could use to start the gold dinar. (China, Russia, India, Iran are stocking great sums of gold rather than relying only on dollars.) 4. Gaddafi-Central Bank used $33 billion, without interest rates, to build the Great Man-Made River of 4,000 kilometers with three parallel pipelines running oil, gas and water supplying 70% of the people (4.5 of its 6 million) with clean drinking and irrigation water. This provides adequate crops for the people making it a competitive exporter of vegetables with Israel and Egypt. The Central Bank also financed Africa’s first communication satellite with $300 million of the $377 cost. It started up for all Africa, December 26, 2007, thus saving the 45-African nations an annual fee of $500 million pocketed by Europe for use of its satellites and this means much less cost for telephones and other communication systems. 5. The opposition led by former Gaddafi ministers and some Eastern clan leaders set up a central bank in Benghazi to replace Libya’s central bank even before they have set up a government or an organized army. It was immediately recognized by Paris stock exchange and soon other Westerners. This is the first time in history rebels have set up a bank before victory or before having a government. 6. There is evidence from Gaddafi defectors (especially Nouri Mesmari), under France protection that France started preparing a Benghazi based rebellion against Gaddafi from November 2010, in order to stop his plans to switch from the dollar to a new gold currency. US politician, Rep. Dennis Kucinich confirms this.2 On December 23, 2010, Libyans Ali Ounes Mansour, Farj Charrant and Fathi Boukhris met with Mesrami and French officials in Paris. Those three are now part of the Benghazi-based leadership. US General Wesley Clrak (ret.) told Democracy Now (2007) that ten days after September 11, 2011 another general had told him that the Bush government was planning to invade: Iraq, Libya, Syria, Lebanon, Somalia, Sudan and Iran. What they have in common is that they were not members of banks within the BIS, and most of them have lots of oil. Hussein had agreed with France President De Gaulle to switch from dollars to Euros in oil trading six months before Bush invaded. 7. While Gaddafi had turned much of his oil sales toward the West, inviting in many of the major oil companies for great profits (BP, EXXON Mobil, Shell, Total, etc), he did not join the US wars against Afghanistan and Iraq as did most of the oil rich Middle Eastern governments. Nor did he sign on with AFRICOM, a US-inspired pact oriented towards US economic and military benefit in Africa also oriented to isolate China from Africa’s natural resources. In fact, China has 50 major economic projects going in Libya with $18 billion investment. Before the US-NATO invasion, there were 30,000 Chinese workers on these and other projects. Much of China’s investment is destroyed. 8. Human Rights Watch (which some call an imperialist-oriented NGO) reported that there has been no civilian bloodbath by Gaddafi. In Misurata, for example, with 400,000 population (second largest city), after two months of war only 257 people were killed, including combatants. Of 949 wounded, only 22 (3%) were women.3 9. As France took the lead, along with UK, to threaten Gaddafi militarily, Gaddafi threatened (March 2) to throw western oil companies out of Libya. With more blustering from the west, Gaddafi invited (March 14) Chinese, Russian and Indian oil companies to take their place. On March 17, the US-France-UK got want they wanted for starters from the UN. Resolution 1973, calling only for a no-fly strategy and not a regime shift or troop landings, was not backed by key big powers: China, Russia, Brazil, India and Germany. Of the 28 NATO countries, only 14 are involved in the Libyan campaign and only six of those are in the air war. Denmark is one of those six. It spent 70 million kroner ($12 million) in the first two weeks of bombing. By April 30, it had dropped 297 bombs on Libya. Denmark’s 2011 defense-war budget is $4 billion annually (22.4 billion kroner) out of $130 billion (671 billion kroner) budget. It uses more money than ever for wars: $250 million annually in Afghanistan, three times 2008 expenditures–$14 billion total in nine years. It used $½ billion in five active years at war in Iraq and continues there with less. What the US-NATO-EU hopes to achieve is to eliminate the half-reliable partner Gaddafi and replace him with a neo-liberal oriented government that will do their bidding: sign on AFRICOM, kick China out, reverse the government central bank to a BIS private enterprise, continue using dollars of course, and have the lackey leaders join in their permanent war age throughout the Middle East and Africa. New neo-liberal socio-economic policies would eliminate what the Gaddafi government has provided the entire population through state subsidies funded with oil export sales: the highest standard of living in Africa with free, universal health and education care, and the possibility of studying abroad at state expense; $50,000 for each new married couple to get started with; non-interest state loans; subsidized prices of cars much lower than in Europe; the cheapest gasoline and bread prices in the world (similar to Venezuela); no taxes for those working in agriculture. This is not to say that Gaddafi is all that one would want in a leader, but he is definitely not as bad as most of US-NATO allies, such as dictators in the Middle East and some in Africa, Asia, and certainly Israel. Their friendly governments in Saudia Arabia—which sent troops to good neighbor Bahrain to murder hundreds of unarmed protesters condoned by the US—Yemen, Oman, Jordon where the governments murder hundreds of unarmed protestors. In fact, the only armed insurrection occurring in the Arabic countries is in Libya. It seems the US doesn’t like supporting non-violent demonstrators and would rather see them dead. And that is yet another, and one of the most important, reasons for US-NATO taking over Libya: to stop the progressive, dynamic uproar throughout the Arabic world. If these mostly youth-led revolts could actually win, which would mean replacing the imperialist-backed system and not just a dictator here or there, it might lead to an anti-capitalist revolution. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The chickens come home to roost..... Yes, Ghadafi was terrorizing his own people WITH FREE HEALTHCARE, FREE EDUCATION, STUDY ABROAD AT STATE EXPENSE, MONEY FOR NEW MARRIED COUPLES, NON-INTEREST STATE LOANS, SUBSIDISED CARS, CHEAP FUEL AND NO TAXES FOR FARMERS... MY GOD, WHAT A CAD...... :rolleyes:

Sorry, but do you actually believe that...?? The "rebels" and the NTC are basically proxies of the West, the deals between the NTC and France, UK and Obama have already been inked. The Libyan people will NOT have control over their own resources, or their own destiny.... Islamists have been seen waving the old monarchist flag (you know, from the "good old days" when Libya was basically a vassal for European Imperialist power), shouting 'Allahu Akbar', and firing guns into the air... Freedom...? Puh-leeeeze... They've traded one dictator for another yet to be decided by the Imperialist powers UK, US and France...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?con...a&aid=23362 On December 21 1988, a Pan Am plane mysteriously exploded over Scotland causing the death of 270 people from 21 countries. The tragedy provoked global outrage. In 1991, two Libyans were charged with the bombing. In the event, only Abdulbaset Ali Mohammad Al Megrahi, a Libyan agent, was pronounced guilty by a panel of three judges, who based their decision on largely circumstantial evidence. Al Megrahi and the Libyan government have protested their innocence all along. Nevertheless, after suffering punitive UN sanctions which froze overseas Libyan bank accounts and prevented the import of spare parts needed for the country's oil industry, Tripoli reluctantly agreed to pay $2.7 billion to victims? families ($10 million per family), on condition the pay-out would not be deemed as admission of guilt. In February, 2004, the Libyan prime minister told the BBC that his country was innocent but was forced to pay-up as a "price for peace". Al Megrahi is currently serving a life sentence but earlier this year the Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission ruled there may have been a miscarriage of justice on the basis of lost or destroyed evidence. Later this month, a Scottish appeals court is due to revisit the case and is expected to overturn Al Megrahi's conviction as unsafe. The Libyan leader's son Saif Al Islam recently said he is confident Al Megrahi will soon be found innocent and will be allowed to return home. On Sunday, an Observer expose written by Alex Duval Smith reported "a key piece of material evidence used by prosecutors to implicate Libya in the Lockerbie bombing has emerged as a probable fake" with allegations of "international political intrigue and shoddy investigative work" levelled at "the British government, the FBI and the Scottish police". The Observer story maintains Ulrich Lumpert a Swiss engineer who was "a crucial witness" has now confessed that he lied about the origins of a timer switch. Recently, Lumpert gave a sworn declaration to a Swiss court, which read "I stole a prototype MST-13 timing device" and "gave it without permission on June 22, 1989 to a person who was officially investigating the Lockerbie affair". The owner of the company that manufactured the switch - forced into bankruptcy after being sued by Pan Am - says he told police early in the enquiry that the timer switch was not one his company had ever sold to Libya. Moreover, he insists the timer switch shown to the court had been tampered with since he initially viewed it in Scotland, saying the pieces appeared to have been "carbonised" in the interim. He also says the court was so determined to prove Libya's guilt it brushed aside his evidence. In 2005, a former Scottish police chief signed a statement alleging the CIA had planted fragments of a timer circuit board produced at trial, evidence supporting earlier claims by a former CIA agent to the effect his agency "wrote the script" to ensure Libya was incriminated. There are also allegations that clothing allegedly purchased by the bomber in Malta before it was wrapped around the bomb, was intact when discovered but by the time it reached the court it was in shreds. Life sentence The shopkeeper who sold the item made a statement to the effect Al Megrahi had never been a customer. Instead, he identified an Egyptian-born Palestinian Mohammad Abu Talb - now serving a life sentence in Sweden for a synagogue bombing. Professor Hans Koechler, appointed by the UN to be an observer at the trial, has termed its outcome "a spectacular miscarriage of justice". Koechler has repeatedly called for an independent enquiry, which, to date, the British government has refused to allow. Oliver Miles, a former British ambassador to Libya, insists "no court is likely to get to the truth, now that various intelligence agencies have had the opportunity to corrupt the evidence". Jim Swire, the father of one of the Lockerbie victims, said "Scottish justice obviously played a leading part in one of the most disgraceful miscarriages of justice in history." Craig Murray, a former British ambassador, who was earlier second-in-command of Britain's Aviation and Maritime Department from 1989 to 1992, writes about a strange incident on his website. Murray says a colleague told him "in a deeply worried way" about an intelligence report indicating Libya was not involved in the Pan Am bombing. When he asked to see it, his colleague said it was marked for named eyes only, which Murray describes as "extremely unusual". Earlier, a CIA report that had reached a similar conclusion had been conveniently buried. If Al Megrahi walks, as is likely, Libya will be vindicated and would presumably be able to reclaim monies paid in compensation along with its reputation. This would also be a highly embarrassing turn of events for Britain and the US not to mention their respective intelligence agencies, and would leave the question of who bombed Pan Am Flight 103 unanswered.In a perfect world, Libya should also receive an apology from its accusers and should be allowed to sue for damages for all that it lost as a result of UN sanctions. But in a world where political expediency often triumphs, the appeal has no foregone conclusion despite the exposure of dubious "evidence" and suspect "witnesses". Linda S. Heard is a specialist writer on Middle East affairs. She can be contacted at lheard@gulfnews.com Response to this article may be considered for publication. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WOW, just......WOW.... So, the narrative that we've been fed for the past 20-odd years, that Al-Megraghi was the bomber, that he was acting under orders of Ghadafi, may in fact be complete rubbish... So, does that mean that the ball might be put back into Syria or Iran's court....? Probably Iran, we're looking for any excuse to justify invading them and forcing another "regime change"....

Actually, no, blimey, check this out.... http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielkn...trol-his-party/

Indeed, and then you get the likes of Nigel Farage and the idiots in UKIP going on about surrendering our sovereignty to Brussels.... Nope, afraid that particular horse left the stable LONG before we even signed up to Maastricht......

Syria..?? Did we shoot down one of their passenger jets too...?? :unsure:

And it's also deflected Oliver bin Letwin being give a "clean bill of health" for his document dumping activities... Oh, well, that's okay then.... -_-

..And here we have "Le Petits Hypocrite" Sarkozy.... Libya: Sarkozy and Gadaffi before they fell out Nicolas Sarkozy, the French president, met world leaders in Paris at exactly the same place he had welcomed Colonel Gaddafi more than three years ago http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/...y-fell-out.html What a difference the passing of time can make. Just over three years ago, in December 2007, President Nicolas Sarkozy was welcoming Gadaffi to Paris and insisting to a French newspaper: “Gaddafi is not perceived as a dictator in the Arab world.” “He is the longest serving head of state in the region,” Mr Sarkozy explained as he rolled out the red carpet. “And in the Arab world, that counts,” As Gadaffi was allowed to pitch his Bedouin tent in the elegant gardens of an official guest residence near the Elysee Palace, Mr Sarkozy denounced “those who excessively and irresponsibly criticised the Libyan leader’s visit”. Related Articles “If we don’t welcome those who take the road to respectability, then what do we say to those who take the opposite road?” True, the French president conceded “he has his personality, his temperament”. Sarkozy’s closest aide, the Elysee Palace secretary-general Claude Gueant, said the six-day visit had produced sales of fighter jets and Airbuses worth 10 billion euros, “which means 30,000 jobs in France”. The figure was later revised to 3 billion euros and officials admitted that it was mainly “memorandums of intent to negotiate” that had been signed. Perhaps fortunately for the French planes flying over Libya this weekend, a fresh delivery of fighter jets was not delivered, or even ordered. In August 2007 Mr Sarkozy had to deny there was any link between France brokering the release of five Bulgarian nurses and a Palestinian doctor from Libya, and the Gadaffi regime’s subsequent decision to buy £200 million of anti-tank missiles and radio systems from a largely French owned company. A French-Libyan agreement over a civil nuclear energy programme also had “absolutely nothing to do” with the prisoner affair. “The contract was not linked to the release of the nurses,” insisted the French President. “What do they criticise me for? Getting contracts? Creating jobs for French workers?’’ A nuclear reaction in Libya would help deal with “terrorism and fanaticism” because it would help economic development, he said, pouring scorn on critics who said it would simply let the Libyan dictator gain nuclear weapons. He is hardly the only world leader with embarrassing pictures linking him to Gaddafi. Tony Blair was pictured embracing the dictator in his tent in the so-called “deal in the desert” which brought the regime in from the cold. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -_- WOW, isn't the stench of hypocrisy just utterly over-powering..... Like f**king mustard gas.... I hope for Karma, and to see the lifeless, bloodied corpses of Sarkozy, Blair, Obama, Bush Jr and Cameron dragged through the streets some day..... -_- Oh, almost forgot. Hillary Clinton too, because of her statement to the NTC while in Tripoli - "we hope he can be captured or killed soon".... Because, of course, a foreign dignitary should be going to other peoples' countries and making statements which appear to commission the murder of a former head of state.....

I feel a bit dirty for providing a link for the Scum, but here it is anyway..... http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/...ie-Gaddafi.html A typical bullshit Scum headline, and all the other mainstream media coverage is similar bullshit... Completely de-contextualising and distorting everything, and kind of "air-brushing" the fact that us and the Americans bombed Tripoli two years before Lockerbie, killing and injuring hundreds of innocent civilians.... Anyway, I seem to recall at the time, the Iranians were actually orginally in the frame as it was thought Lockerbie was in retaliation for the US shooting down an Iranian passenger jet.... And funny how no one even gave a shit about Lockerbie when the deals were being done by Blair, Brown, Bush Jr, et al.... It never ceases to amaze me how it's "Terrorism" when it's done by the "other guy", but when the West does it, it's "strategic bombing raids".... f*** off, murder is murder, whether done by Joe Bloggs or done by the Prime Minister or the President..... Ghadafi was murdered because he'd become an "inconvienience", and he probably knew a lot of facts that the West would rather not came to light in any kind of open trial in the Hague (yeah, just what kind of "deal" did B-liar and Bush Jr actually do with Ghadafi anyway..?). So, the "hit" was put out, just like with Bin Laden. If a British soldier/POW had been killed in the manner Ghadafi and his sons have been, there would be absolute out-cry and the Geneva Convention and War Crimes proceedings would be invoked against the perpetrators, and rightly so.... If he was a bad man, then he should have been put on trial and charges brought, and then we could have seen and heard for ourselves the facts of the case; but as with Iraq, as with the Pakistan/Afghanistan "drone raids", as with Bin Laden, as with Guantanamo Bay and countless other examples, the Rule of Law has not been respected by the West.. Something else to consider - he provided free health-care, free housing, free education, social welfare benefits, Libya actually had the highest HDI (Human Development Index) rating in the whole of Africa, and under his regime women actually enjoyed a very high level of equal rights, unheard of in any other Arab country (particularly the shitbags like Saudi Arabia and Bharain that we continue to support)... Nope, no one ever talks about THAT in the mainstream media, do they...? Will the NTC or whatever group of "tyrants-in-waiting" take over actually continue to provide what Ghadafi did for the Libyan people...? I wont hold my breath, and I imagine millions of Libyans, especially women, wont either....

Well, funny you should mention that.... Killing a POW? Gaddafi’s last moments (VIDEO) (link to video footage) http://rt.com/news/gaddafi-last-moments-video-337/ A new explicit amateur video released by AP clearly shows that Colonel Gaddafi was caught alive rather than dead. The video portrays Gaddafi soon after his arrest in Sirte. The colonel is encircled by the soldiers of the National Transitional Council who are shouting in Arabic, "God is great." Gaddafi is definitely too weak to walk on his own and his chest and face are covered in blood. Still, the colonel takes some steps and then falls on the ground. The soldiers try to get Gaddafi up and put him in the car. Some of them are clearly grabbing Gaddafi’s hair. Previously, the media had released pictures showing Gaddafi already dead with a bullet hole in his left temple. Al Jazeera’s video could thus indicate that the colonel was killed by some of the NTC soldiers. As reported earlier, fugitive Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi died of wounds sustained during his capture after NTC forces took his hometown and stronghold of Sirte. It came shortly after Gaddafi's vehicles which were trying to escape the town were hit by a NATO air strike, forcing Gaddafi and several bodyguards to take refuge in the drain. French defense chief said French jet fired on Gaddafi convoy, AP reported. British MP Jeremy Corbyn said that as Gaddafi was captured alive, he should have been treated as prisoner of war, interrogated and put on trial. “It looks that there was an element of mob rule in this, and he was indeed killed in the back of the truck,” he said referring to the video footage of Gaddafi's capture. “And this really does raise some question marks about the command and discipline of the NTC forces and what Libya is going to be like, not just tomorrow, but next month, next year and the next ten years,” he remarked. According to officials from the National Transitional Council (NTC) there was no order to kill Gaddafi. They stated that the former Libyan leader was fatally wounded when a gunfight between his supporters and government fighters broke out after his capture. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ghadafi is clearly ALIVE and IN CUSTODY of the NTC... Then later, he's dead... Straight-up f***ing MURDER of a POW according to the Geneva Convention.... And, well, one has to wonder just who ordered his assassination... Hillary Clinton perhaps...? I dont believe for a second anything that comes out of the mouth of the NTC, in my mind they're every bit as bad as Ghadafi and his sons... Tyrants-in-waiting... If anyone honestly believes the Libyan people are going to be free now that Ghadafi is gone, you're frankly fooling yourself....

It really was whingeing, pathetic, "Oh, poor me, pity me please" speech wasn't it... At no point did he actually take any responsibility... Perish the thought that a Politician actually take responsibility for their wrongdoings and breaches of ethical codes.... <_< And blaming the press for basically just doing their job...?? Hilarious... Because clearly the press should just be there to uncritically parrot whatever bullshit that MPs come out with..... -_-

I wouldn't have minded a rise of something like the rate of inflation, but I'm just totally shocked that they're taking 25% all in one go while they're making people redundant and saying to others that they have to accept pay freezes... It's not on... They're setting a very bad example.... And, how on earth can they expect their constituents who are also going through tough times to hold them in anything other than utter contempt.... This is just a very bad show all round...

They should've taken the rise in 2006, when the economy wasn't f**ked....

Yep, indeed, timing is everything... It's all very well for them to bleat about "oh, but these increases are in line with other places", but doing now in an Economic downturn with services being cut, jobs being cut, pay freezes, etc... All the people of that borough are going to see is a bunch of Councillors just totally taking the piss while they have to tighten their belts... "We're all in this together".... -_-

Councillors award themselves 25pc pay rise despite hundreds of job cuts Councillors presiding over hundreds of job losses amid swingeing spending cuts at their local authority have voted to give themselves a 25 per cent pay rise. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/8...f-job-cuts.html Members of Cambridgeshire County Council will see their allowances package increase from £7,610 a year to £9,500 after they approved the deal. The decision attracted condemnation from union leaders, who branded its timing “incredibly insensitive”, while council workers were being made redundant. Under the changes, approved by 33 votes to 29, the Tory council’s leader, Nick Clarke, will enjoy a £38,000 annual allowances package – up from £29,856. Other councillors with additional responsibilities for holding cabinet posts and chairing committees will see larger increases in their pay. Steve Sweeney, of Unison, said: “It shows huge insensitivity to do it at a time when we are facing a pay freeze, job losses and a tax on public sector pensions.” Backing the pay rise, Cllr Clarke said he wanted to break down barriers which deterred people from diverse backgrounds standing for election. He said: “Schemes of remuneration should contribute to a vigorous and healthy local democracy and if democracy is to prosper people must have choice.” Cllr Clarke was supported by Cllr Catherine Hutton, who was recently forced to step down from the Conservative front bench due to work commitments. She said: “It’s absolutely vital we encourage as many people from as wide as possible a background to get involved and that doesn’t mean those lucky enough to be retired, lucky enough to have made a fortune in business, it means good people with a wide range of skills from all areas of the economy.” The Liberal Democrats on the council almost unanimously voted against the rise, joined by four Conservatives. Tory backbencher Cllr Steve Tierney said: “We’ve been asking staff to take a pay freeze and we’ve been making people redundant, and I would feel very uncomfortable taking a rise.” Independent Cllr Lister Wilson accused the Tories of being “out of touch with how tough things are for ordinary working families”. The council said members would not be forced to take the extra cash. A spokesman said: "Councillors voted to approve recommendations made by the Independent Remuneration Panel. "The increase brings Cambridgeshire County Council's allowances more in line with those paid by other county councils. "Councillors were given a free vote on the issue, and have the option not to accept any increase, or indeed any allowance from the council." The council has not increased its allowances since 2003. Its last review was in 2006 when councillors voted not to increase their allowances. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am Jack's sense of utter burning rage.....

Indeed... While I'm not exactly going to mourn Ghadafi's death, I am totally disgusted by the sense of triumphalism being put across by the so-called mainstream "news" like Sky and BBC... Not liking that at all... Also, still not liking the hypocrisy of NATO and the UN in this whole sorry affair....

I sincerely hope given the Government's "zero tolerance" approach to those who committed the recent riots, we can expect these 50 rioters and looters to be rounded up and given 10 year prison stretches each..... -_- I'm sorry, but is kicking a DOG worse than burglary, rioting, assault, terrorizing a minor and aggravated trespass...? I dont think so....

Having seen Kristen Stewart in a few non-Twilight things, I can actually say she's a pretty okay actress (she's really good as Joan Jett in The Runaways, getting the attitude and mannerisms right, it's a shame she's let down by a pretty bad script...), out of the two films, I'm more interested in Snow White and the Huntsman... But, "dark" versions of Snow White have been done before.... Snow White- Tale of Terror was pretty good, Sigourney Weaver certainly made an excellent Evil Queen... http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119227/

Anyone who condones animal cruelty is a moron and the people concerned should be punished, that's true But anyone who condones forming a lynch mob, surrounding someone's house, beating people up and probably terrorising the innocent kids is an even bigger moron IMO.... CALL THE POLICE AND LEAVE IT AT THAT.... -_- Two wrongs hardly make a right... I hate to say it, but there are far worse crimes than animal cruelty going on that people dont seem to choose to get all high and mighty about... Just to play Devil's Advocate - I wish this sort of mob had the gumption to surround the City of London and drag out the banksters who are stealing billions of pounds, ruining our economy and doing real damage to the country and millions of peoples' pensions and livelihoods.... Or maybe forming a lynch mob to drag out Tony Blair and the other murdering war-mongers who caused the Iraq war perhaps....? It's not as if the victims of the Iraq war are likely to receive any kind of formal justice is it...? Tony B-liar wont even see a single day in court...