mald487

Talk about twisting things around. :lol: Have I ever said that I would be OK with that? Of course not. That's not what has happened here though. Regardless of whether they "asked for it"(which we have absolutely no proof of, just your speculation and over-willingness to give a white, male, right wing MP too much benefit of the doubt :rolleyes: - quelle suprise) he enabled the situation and allowed it to happen and and as others have said there is a power dynamic at play.

Um...no? Willingness or not he still played his part in this and enabled it Honestly.

The world won't suddenly be a magical place is what I am saying, and as for saying "how do you know there will be any economic damage?" ..that's pretty much like saying "how do you know the bath will overflow if I leave it running." Chris...if we do not have trade deals in place to compensate for the low tariffs and seamless trade we currently have after the transition period, then there will be economic disruption of some sort, c'mon even you aren't that naive.

If this little party gives the country bumpkins and not rights the illusion that somehow distancing ourselves from all of our nearest geographical neighbours is somehow going to make life better than let them have their one night of fun, because on February 1st nothing will be any different and they'll still be complaining and moaning about the exact same things they were before.

Stop deflecting.

Sweet jesus give it a rest He is the Prime Minister, he absolutely should of have said something. It's an awkward position but a carefully worded statement from him should have been a given.

I wouldn't say its inevitable, but it's definitely a distinct possibility that should not be ruled out. It won't happen whilst the Tories are in power though.

Euphoria is very much an over statement I think. Sure, people who voted leave will be happy, but.. a.) They were only a narrow majority b.)Nearly as many people won't be happy c.) ..and this is probably the biggest group of people ...people who ticked a box three years ago(either leave or remain) based upon their limited knowledge of the EU, don't really care THAT much and will just be relieved it's out of the headlines. That being said, I will concede that with the Tories being seen as the ones carrying out the "will of the people", will probably keep them ahead of labour for the foreseeable future, at least until the economic impacts of Brexit actually kick in.

It's very difficult to say what will happen. Politics in the last 5 years has been anything but predictable .You also have to take into account the Tories gerrymandering with the boundaries(although as has been stated on here, that may even end up working against them). If I had to guess I would say 2024 will probably bare similarities to 1992. Labour making some gains with somebody hopefully a bit more central than Corbyn but the Tories still being able to put together a respectable majority. I think it's near certain they will lose at least some seats next time around, but again, who can say for sure.

I really don´t like the notion that it doesn´t matter who Labour choose as there is no way they are going to win the next GE. Maybe not, but it absolutely DOES matter. They need to lay the groundwork NOW, at start winning back peoples trust. The tories are going to lead opinion polls comfortably for a while I would say, especially with being seen as "getting Brexit done" during 2020, but Labour need to start putting in the grind now. The more progress they can make in 2024 the less of an uphill battle they will have in 2029. Of course I would love to see them do it in 5 years, and I hope they win back as many seats as possible, but I´m just being realistic.

Should she appear in court in the UK? Absolutely. Will she? Not a chance.

Of course there will be celebrations on January 31st. A large number of people for better or worse voted for this so they are going be be happy that as far as they can see its "done". Things will go back to normal on February 1st, nothing will change in the long run and then once we are out of transition things will get worse. So far I as I can see, if people want to get the beer in and have some fireworks at the end of January, let them, because it´s going to be a long ride after that when the s*ht hits the fan.

You changed your mind pretty quickly there. :lol:

My two cents having been away for a few days.. The best option(IMO) is Starmer. True, it definitely wouldn't hurt Labour to finally get rid of the "only party not to have had a female leader" tag, but now more than ever it's so important that they select the best available option rather than just selecting a woman for the sake of it. At the end of the day the press are going to pick apart whoever Labout chooses. Having said that I would have been totally fine with Angela Rayner but as has been mentioned she has ruled her self out and thrown her support to Long Bailey(who really doesn't represent direction that Labour need to be going in right now in my opinion). Returning to the Blair years isn't the answer, different time, different electorate, but they need a unifying leader who can bring both sides of the party together. I think the best person to do that is Starmer. In hindsight I think one of the things that really hurt them last week was Corbyns lack of certainty(especially concerning you know what - the whole "neutral stance" thing probably didn't sound very unconvincing to people who are sick of hearing about it constantly for the last three years and in their minds just want it "done"). I don't anticipate Labour having a realistic shot at getting back into power until 2029, but if they make the right choice here, show a unified stance and offer some certainty to the electorate, then hopefully they can make in roads, and gain back those lost seats lost in North. I fear however, they will go with Rebecca Long Bailey, who would set them back even further.

Yep. I think this is the beginning of the end. When the Tory party let everybody down and cause many more deaths people may start to wake up, then we can start to rebuild this country and get away from extremist right wing racism, but it will take a decade at least.

Could you...just not....just for a bit? Please.

They're doing away with the fixed term parliament act, they potentially can hold another election in 8,9,10 years if they want, and they absolutely will, don't put it past them. Mark my words they will force most people into misery and cling on for as long as they can. seriously.....f*** them...and every single person that voted for them.

Yeah me too. This country is just a glutton for punishment, it can go f**k itself. I dont recognize it as mine anymore.

No I'm sorry. Anyone that voted for them is as bad as them, bottom line.

Wow.....this is even bigger than I predicted. I literally have tears in my the corner of my eyes knowing what these evil bast*rds want to do to this country. To those of you that have voted for this....go to hell.. seriously. You have swallowed the bait..hook..line and sinker. I know this is supposed to be the place for civilised debate, but I just can't right now. I cannot get my head around how anyone who relies on public services, Work capability assessments or any type of state aid to stay of work would vote for these evil pricks. You would have to be a moron...or a troll..or both. Seriously...F*** THIS COUNTRY.

Like others I will probably be posting a bit more sporadically on this particular forum from now on. Seeing the direction this country is heading is so disheartening but venting in an echo chamber with a couple of trolls/bigots thrown in who can't see the current government for what they are(or refuse to admit it) isn't going to change anything. Take care everyone, might pop my head in a few days time!

This might sound a bit ghoulish, but I am actually really looking forward to the ITV drama. I've always been a sucker for unsolved crimes or crimes where the verdict is I'm doubt.

I really hope your right, but I just don't see it happening. :(

No I probably wouldn't :lol: but I'd still rather you use it ;)

This is similar to what I'm thinking. Although I'd be suprised if the Lib Dems get more than 15 to be honest. Considering the ground they could have made, this campaign has gone hideously wrong for them.