howiet1971

Look - the point is Madonna's next single will be bigger than a lowly #19. Comprende?

Madonna's last album reached #2 (despite being heavily leaked twice) and Gaga's got to #3 so that's pretty comparable tbh, both have sold under 100k. Singles wise, for their most recent new material,The Cure got to #19 and Living For Love got to #26 so not much in it again. Both, as I've said before are now no longer tour de force's in the singles chart. Anyway, this argument is pointless; listen to Two Steps Behind and you'll see why, comparing Madonna to Gaga is like comparing filet mignon to procesessed sausage :dance:

Madonna's last album got to #2 Gaga's got to #3, sorry but your argument is flawed. Both Gaga and Madge haven't had a UK #1 single this decade... Both are now no longer UK singles trailblazers; the only difference is that Madonna is the biggest female Uk chart star of all time and Gaga is two steps behind.

Gaga's last proper solo album, her fourth was Joanne - worldwide sales 1 million..... 0 UK top tens Whilst Madonna's fourth proper solo studio album was Like A Prayer - worldwide sales in excess of 15 million.... 4 UK top tens Madonna has had her career; she's now a legend and the World's Best Selling Female Artist of all time. So, really Gaga is last decades news...Reductive all the way baby! Since when was a #19 charting single something to celebrate!!!!! :yahoo:

Two Steps - Madonna - brilliant diss at a copycat once-popular female singer - LOVE IT :yahoo:

Ha!!!! Since when is coming 15th something to be proud of?!! 15th is a terrible result for a country that has arguably the best pop music pedigree in Europe. We've come 2nd 15 times and won it 5 times, so 15th is a resounding failure; granted it's better than last year! Granted the UK, struggle now with the perception of us in Europe. Granted it's very hard for us to score highly without any real politically alligned neighbours (damn you Ireland :-) !!!) The fact is, the UK keeps getting it wrong, and has done now for a very long time, and there will be many solutions offered up as to why. My betting is next year, middle-aged Gary Barlow will be given the task of writing the song, the following year it will be someone equally out of touch. Sending Englebert, Bonnie etc were terrible decisions. We just need a great song and a great performer (and a gimmick or two wouldn't harm things). It's not rocket science. But please let's not celebrate 15th. At best we can be glad it's not last, but we need to aim for first; like Sweden do. We're better than 15th.

Love Katy but not loving 'Bon Appetit', hopefully will grow on me....

Lol agreed although she has the title of 'Best Selling Female Artist in the UK', a much more prestigious thing to have...

Streaming killled the modern charts for me; as did allowing album tracks to chart on the singles chart....

The new Harry Styles track is really credible (can't believe I'm saying that), was dreading it would be Ed Sheeran-esque, but no, it's good.....

Goldfrapp

Um, I think I just did....

I'm sure this may prove contentious, but I don't recognise many of the chart achievements from Sunday, March 1 2015, when streaming was counted within the supposed 'Official' UK Singles Chart. The methodology is flawed, and now the rules of what constitues a single are flawed and of course the OCC is fatally flawed. Why? Let's take Drake for example. Last week he added 23 supposed hit singles to his tally in just one week - 23! Overtaking in one silly move, hundreds of artists whom have spent decades getting to that number of hit singles - hit singles that really were hit singles. Drake's supposed 'hit singles' were of course NOT singles. The goalposts have been moved unfairly, this isn't a level playing field any more so you cannot compare nor count most chart achievements after 2015 onwards to those that happened before. Just imagine how many 'hits' Madonna, Elvis, Beatles and Jackson would have had if these rules had been allowed then? Thousands....(of course one couldn't count album streams etc when they were at their peaks but still) it's a farce, and by allowing these non-singles to chart it kinda cancels out the many chart achievements of those who went before. And worse of all, Drake and Sheeran are not as big as those aforementioned artists were. In 1985 Madonna placed a record EIGHT Top 10 singles in the UK charts in a calendar year, testamount to the fact that she was THE major singles artist of the 1980's - all proper singles. She would likely have been able to place treble that if these current stupid rules applied then. It's like someone being the 100 metre sprint world record holder, and then the next day, it's decided athletes can compete in the same event, but in a sports car - you can't compare the result nor the record!!!! :-) In the scheme of life's rich tapestry this isn't a big deal, but it is if you're a chart-watcher, and if you care about the UK charts then you despair at how stupid things have now become.

Exactly!!! what don't people get??!!!!!!!!!

Hahahaha Beyonce? Nope. The old girl hasn't placed a No.1 single in the UK in 9 years!!!! It's all hype. From her last album she charted 5 singles, NONE made the top ten and they charted 60 / 40 / 11 / 33 / 31 - granted Lemonade got to #1 in the album chart, but as a solo singles artist now? - nah!

p.s Moloko were only half Irish - the other half are English, so shouldn't really count....

Ireland has a lot to answer for: Boyzone, Ronan, Bewitched and the chart abominations that were Westlife!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:

Uh yep! Please read what he said..... it would go into an album tracks chart.

Finally.... someone with a great idea!!!!! :cheer:

Change will come or Martin Talbot will have to go; it's being picked up everywhere now that the UK charts are in trouble: https://www.theguardian.com/music/2017/mar/...drastic-rethink Jon Webster, president of the music managers group MMF, said the singles chart needed as “drastic rethink”. “You should be looking at two different things: what’s happening in streaming, and what’s happening in sales. You can’t mix them. It ends up in two different metrics and that’s the problem,” Webster said. “When you were a kid and you bought a single, if you played it 500 times over five weeks it was still only one sale. But now we’re having that 500 times over five weeks in the chart. We live in a different world, and we need a different chart for a different world.” Jeremy Pritchard, the bassist in Manchester indie rock band Everything Everything, said the charts company could introduce new rules about what counts as a single. “Something needs to happen,” he said. “There should be some rules concerning what is and isn’t a single. If we’re still calling it the singles chart, should we be letting in stuff which hasn’t been identified as a single.

http://news.sky.com/story/has-ed-sheeran-k...charts-10800420 SKY NEWS - Has Ed Sheeran killed the charts? Interesting article...... :cheer:

And your point (which you keep banging on about) is 'Anything is a single these days technically' - I think WE get your point, but it does't mean I agree.

Banning non-singles is the only way forward.

The OCC are putting their heads in the sand; they f**ked up royally and they've killed the UK singles chart. This will happen time and time again now and any special achievement will now become the norm. I remember in 1985 when Madonna held the Number 1 and 2 position and it was a massive deal (I can only imagine how she would have dominated in 1986 if this stupid current system had been in play then). The fact is Ed is popular right now, but this chart success is a total joke and I don't recognise it, it's album tracks that shouldn't be counted. End of. Official singles only should chart.

HALLELUJAH!!!! Very well put!!!!