Graham A

The Jasper book had some flaws in it! He was a vicar and he use to present a rock show on Radio Hallam called Celebration Rock! Playing the likes of Iron Maiden :D You can see the Network Charts on my blog site, PDF files of Number One Magazine, all free! http://therealchart.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06...100-charts.html

I never did write out the BBC chart as you could get them in a music paper such as Record Mirror. Now you can print them off from this website: http://www.worldcharts.co.uk/worldcharts/uk.htm I wish I had written down the local radio charts as you can't get hold of these at all.

The BHS was always an expensive book, but I think the main reason for it's decline was due to the fact that they messed around with the layout too much. For example re-entries were not listed etc. The chart fans like myself like that kind of data. Also a lot of people would only be interested in their teenage years. For a great deal of the population these were the 60's, 70's, 80's and to some extant the 90's. Once these decades were covered, many of the baby boom generation had all the information they needed. So they didn't need to buy another book. Many of the artists who had had hits in these decades, had stopped having hits after 2000. So there was little need to buy another of these expensive books. The BBC chart show is no longer relevant, most insiders now quote the iTunes chart for record placements. Some years ago lots of people were on forums complaining about the quality of the presentation of the chart show. They didn't like the fact presenters regularly got facts wrong, but also the lack of information that was given about the track, chart stuff etc. I suppose it might have it's moment in the limelight again. Like when Facebook people stopped the X-Factor record from going to the top. But the chart now is so manipulated, especially by the use of streaming, to stop a public takeover again.

Capitol Radio was doing top 40 charts in the middle 1970's, long before Radio One. By 1980 my own Station Radio Hallam was doing a top 50 chart based on local sales from 2pm on a Sunday running till 6pm. It was far les restrictive about the records played. I have a recording of Rhoda and The Specials The Boiler which features the sound of woman being raped! It lasts 5.24 minutes, recorded from the top 50.

Probably because Radio Luxembourg moved its "chart show" early on. The old Pick of the Pops was broadcast at 11pm, which also tied in with the Luxembourg show. The BBC have always been slow at coming forwards. They needed a kick up the pants every now and then and the Commercial Radio did just that. The BBC didn't like the idea of the top 40 for one thing, which was too American for them. Pick of The Pops also didn't actually run down the chart like today. It selected records to be played. Thus avoiding any records that were restricted in the playing of. By the late 70's the show was broadcasting the top twenty only. The main reason for this is that the top twenty was the only bit that the BBC could be certain it wasn't fiddle by the Record Industry. Though many times it was. Most commercial Radio Stations by this time were broadcasting local top 40's. They didn't care if records were fiddled. Radio One's chart was also out of date by the time of broadcast, has it had been published by Tuesday the week prior to the Sunday. They got around this by using the week ending date, which makes the chart look up to date even during the week when it's printed. The ILR stations got together to broadcast a top 30 at the same time as the out of date chart on Radio One. Radio One responded by playing selected records from the top 40, with the top 20 in full. Eventually they got rid of the news slot at 4.30 and broadcast the full chart. The BBC never considered broadcasting the full top 75. In fact DJ's were told not to even mention records outside the top 40. Years later the BBC switched to an up-to-date chart, broadcasting just after it was published. However Top Of The Pops then became the one broadcasting an out of date chart, so it killed off the show. The chart shows became so popular that TV broadcasters cleared the schedules for the Sunday spot, putting on religious shows instead. The broadcasters gave this slot the nickname of the "God Spot". But ITV realised they could put some decent shows on at this time and the God Spot vanished from the ITV channels. It stayed on the BBC, due to it's charter and restrictions.

Amazon can still make a top 100 chart out of them which seems pretty much active each week! Amazon CD bestsellers Lots of current singles in the chart!

The Association - Windy from 1967 - briefly made the breakers chart. Ozark Mountain Daredevils - Jackie Blue - US number one! 1974 Lulu - To sir with love 1967 The Osmonds - One Bad Apple 1971 - how was that not a UK hit with the cartoon series they had! Paul McCartney - Uncle Albert Sammy Davis Jnr - Candy Man - song from the Charlie and the Chocolate Factory movie, though not sung by him in the film. Harry Chapin - Cats in the cradle 1974, but the song was a hit later on for a group. Executive Suite - When The Fuel Runs out - Featured on a K-Tel album from 1974 - when the fuel crisis was on! Cherly Lynn - To Be Real - classic disco from 1979.

My Edition of the 7th Edition Guinness book, lists the only hit they had as an "early recording by the Sex Pistols". However later editions remove any reference or link with the Sex Pistols. I have to agree with the EMERSON LAKE & PALMER being listed separate. Adding references to Greg Lake and Robert Palmer. Enigma's Ain't No Stopping... Is listed sometimes as "Disco Mix 81". Exploited's third hit credits as Exploited and Anti-Pasti.

Great stuff again. Just one alphabetical question. This entry: KEN DOH British male production duo - Steve Burgess & Michael Devlin Sounds like a "group" name to me and should be in the K section don't you think? Also isn't Anita Dobson married to Brian May of Queen? Could be worth a mention...

It was common for the BBC to ban anything that could be seen as occult. Songs like That Old Black Magic. Death records - Leader of The Pack, Tell Laura I Love Her. They also like to ban anything American. "DJ's" were not allowed to play Nat King Cole version of Too Young. But they could play an Englishman singing it!

But as far as the chart is concerned you are reset back to 70 the following week, so you can NEVER contribute to the chart on your own. Plus the amount that many of these streaming sites give back is often a lot smaller that what an artists would get from a 99p download. Now if you were to listen to a record say about 5,000 times a week, you might indeed pay for that single download. The disadvantage is that you would have to have unlimited broadband or whatever else you would need not to run your player etc, plus the time to listen to the track. If the track was about 3.30 that would only mean around 16 plays per hour. If you factor in work/school time it doesn't leave you a lot of hours to play it 5,000 times! Plus if you are paying for the streaming, you have to take that cost off. Which probably means you would save money buying the download!

Just liked to thank you for doing a great job with this. It's something I looked forward to on Mondays to see another section up and on the forum. :dance: Only one thing. Can you not join the sections on to each other starting next Monday (14/7). It's just that if there's a break between the section, it makes it quicker to get to the next bit. So we can copy and paste it to our own files. Keep up the good work!

Not exactly true. Even if you pay the subscription you haven't paid for your music. You have simply rented the music from the rental company (IE: Spotify). The rental company then pays the fees to those supplying the music. If you haven't paid again you have rented the music, but this time you indirectly pay for the music the next time you buy a product that has been advertised. This will be on any of the products or services you hear or see on the website or service provider of the streaming site. Though many of the products and services are linked to other forms of advertisements, such as TV and Radio. Thus you might well already indirectly paying for these anyway. In other words you and lots of other people just started paying extra for something they didn't either know or even want! And due to the restrictions you need to stream the same record at least 70 times, by you and then get a friend to stream it 30 times by them. Or you could go 50/50 each!

You could buy the MKTO classic for at least two weeks on Amazon prior to this Sunday's chart. It even made their chart and was still at 73 on Friday. On the Ed Shearan track, James Masterton was right, it wasn't available to download when he did his podcast for the chart 5 July. It was released the Sunday afterwards which is why it's just charted and not in the same week as the album.

Doesn't iTunes employ a cloud like Amazon does? In which case you don't need to buy the song again. You can however download it more than once. I bet there's a way you could clear the purchase memory thing if you know how too!

That's a good question. Here's another interesting puzzle for the OCC to ponder. In the world of streaming it would be possible to specify the most popular versions of a song and split them. So instead of grouping the songs together they could split them apart. So if there was a 3 minute version of the song and a 6 minute one they would become separate chart entries. This might be a bit early for them to do this, but when the download market in the size of the CD single, which if iTunes pulls out won't be that long away, then there's no reason to group tracks together. After all it is supposed to be a "popularity chart" now, not a sales chart. After all if say members of the public like the 6 minute version better that the "radio edit," it would help Radio One on it's chart to play that and not the radio edit they will play now.

However the OCC also excluded the sale of the track from other download sites, even though these sale is not linked to any record industry promotion of the purchase of an album. That is not fair. On an earlier point you made about having a revenue chart. That reminds of a joke that was on TV many decades ago about why are teenagers so interested in the amount of money pop stars make! You might as well ask Pop Stars to provide their bank statements to make a chart up. Actually the OCC already control the purchase price too much, particularly when it comes to the album chart, with many budget albums being excluded. In fact when the price was risen for one album, even though it was decades old, it became a new entry on the album chart - that was only just recently.

What I don't like about them is the term used sounds like they are free. When of course you pay for the track, this is then deducted from the price of the album. They also cause confusion with the pre-order track, which is not purchased in the same week you order it. I would prefer it that pre-orders on iTunes were paid for at the time of pre-ordering rather than waiting till it's released to pay for it. At the end of the day it's all to do with record companies and their obsession with iTunes and the fixation on album sales. This is at the expense of the singles market. They wouldn't do it if download sales were spread more evenly rather than now with iTunes being very greedy in the digital market.

I've started to buy downloads on Saturdays, due to the fact some records are coming out Friday. Though I used to do Mondays and later Friday. I would never do them Sunday, but I don't use iTunes, so it pays to wait longer for the other sites to put the new records up.

Technically speaking it would be considered in its 2005 form as what the Guinness Books referred to as a re-issue. Since the original was a 7 inch single and long ago deleted. Therefore you are correct as listing it as a new entry. Some singles were issued at this time with CD ROM videos on them. Often you had the choice of two CD's one without the CD ROM and one with. I don't know if this applies to this track, but if it did it would confirm the Peter Kay credit.

The main reason why the UK doesn't use OAOS is that because Radio is the main why of getting a record to sell. Despite the diversity in media outlets the main BBC stations are considered by Record Companies to be the breakers of a record. If they were to allow the OAOS to go ahead certain records which NEED airplay would enter only lowly in the chart and climb slowly. However the people with the power to playlist records are always looking for an excuse not to playlist a record. Since most of the records that are good enough to sell will make it to the playlist table a "ready" excuse is not to have an indication that the record is a slow seller! Since there isn't much TV exposure for records these days (since TOTP and Saturday kids shows on ITV went) airplay is needed. Also YouTube videos help, but too many artists are slow at getting a video up there. So the fall back is Radio. Pre-orders don't really count mostly because on iTunes it isn't so much an order as, more an agreement to send an e-mail to the person when the record is released so they can buy it. Some other sites do however have a different system. For example if you pre-order on Amazon a DVD say, you have to pay for it. If it is reduced in price they refund you the difference, up to the day it's issued. Many pre-orders on iTunes might not be purchased the week of issue or indeed at all. If the OCC were to count them it would have to "knock" sales off when the record was issued, since the OCC cannot see into the future and determine if a pre-order in week two of say a 4 week pre-order period was purchased in week one of release. However this hasn't stopped the record companies from abusing the system. And it is being used in the same way as Facebook uses of popular bands use to ensure a big sale on the week of release. How effective this system is shows in the current run of number one hits on the OCC with lots of new entries at number one lasting one week only. It seems that there is nothing that the OCC can do to stop this hyping. Another chart which is not widely recognised however has taken action to stop this. Since those that compile it don't operate using the time structure that is imposed on the OCC chart. It can work out precisely who purchases the records in week one of release and relate them back to the week of pre-order. Thus allowing the pre-orders to chart and therefore reducing their sales in week one of release. So far this has stopped several records going to the top, most recently Calvin Harris and Summer. Simply because the pre-orders give about a 30 to 40% weight to most of the current number ones on the OCC chart. I believe this system will go into decline when the OCC introduce streaming, till then they OCC will continue to have hyped new entry number ones.

Roy Castle died on the 2 September 1994

On the Glen Campbell entry. This is what you have: 26 Sep 70 Everything A Man Coild Ever Need 32 5 wks Shouldn't that be Could?

He could mean that, but the action by Beyoncé's record company (releasing the album exclusive to iTunes) upset many download sites. So much so that only iTunes and Amazon carry the download version of the album. I don't think that Amazon stock the CD version at all. Play.com, HMV/7 digital, Sainsbury's don't stock even the download version. Such action must have had a damaging sales effect. Even though the album did sell well. It certainly will stop any track from the album reaching the top of the singles chart. It wouldn't be a clever thing to do again, since you risk having a boycott on sales. And in these days of poor album sales that's a big risk to take. Yes I was wrong on MJ, but unless someone has some evidence that's it still going to happen, I think we need to put a rest to the story :coffee:

It's the Michael Jackson album I think? The single is on iTunes released today, the same as what Beyoncé did. And Amazon don't have the album till another week at least.