Graham A

It was common for the BBC to ban anything that could be seen as occult. Songs like That Old Black Magic. Death records - Leader of The Pack, Tell Laura I Love Her. They also like to ban anything American. "DJ's" were not allowed to play Nat King Cole version of Too Young. But they could play an Englishman singing it!

But as far as the chart is concerned you are reset back to 70 the following week, so you can NEVER contribute to the chart on your own. Plus the amount that many of these streaming sites give back is often a lot smaller that what an artists would get from a 99p download. Now if you were to listen to a record say about 5,000 times a week, you might indeed pay for that single download. The disadvantage is that you would have to have unlimited broadband or whatever else you would need not to run your player etc, plus the time to listen to the track. If the track was about 3.30 that would only mean around 16 plays per hour. If you factor in work/school time it doesn't leave you a lot of hours to play it 5,000 times! Plus if you are paying for the streaming, you have to take that cost off. Which probably means you would save money buying the download!

Just liked to thank you for doing a great job with this. It's something I looked forward to on Mondays to see another section up and on the forum. :dance: Only one thing. Can you not join the sections on to each other starting next Monday (14/7). It's just that if there's a break between the section, it makes it quicker to get to the next bit. So we can copy and paste it to our own files. Keep up the good work!

Not exactly true. Even if you pay the subscription you haven't paid for your music. You have simply rented the music from the rental company (IE: Spotify). The rental company then pays the fees to those supplying the music. If you haven't paid again you have rented the music, but this time you indirectly pay for the music the next time you buy a product that has been advertised. This will be on any of the products or services you hear or see on the website or service provider of the streaming site. Though many of the products and services are linked to other forms of advertisements, such as TV and Radio. Thus you might well already indirectly paying for these anyway. In other words you and lots of other people just started paying extra for something they didn't either know or even want! And due to the restrictions you need to stream the same record at least 70 times, by you and then get a friend to stream it 30 times by them. Or you could go 50/50 each!

Doesn't iTunes employ a cloud like Amazon does? In which case you don't need to buy the song again. You can however download it more than once. I bet there's a way you could clear the purchase memory thing if you know how too!

That's a good question. Here's another interesting puzzle for the OCC to ponder. In the world of streaming it would be possible to specify the most popular versions of a song and split them. So instead of grouping the songs together they could split them apart. So if there was a 3 minute version of the song and a 6 minute one they would become separate chart entries. This might be a bit early for them to do this, but when the download market in the size of the CD single, which if iTunes pulls out won't be that long away, then there's no reason to group tracks together. After all it is supposed to be a "popularity chart" now, not a sales chart. After all if say members of the public like the 6 minute version better that the "radio edit," it would help Radio One on it's chart to play that and not the radio edit they will play now.

However the OCC also excluded the sale of the track from other download sites, even though these sale is not linked to any record industry promotion of the purchase of an album. That is not fair. On an earlier point you made about having a revenue chart. That reminds of a joke that was on TV many decades ago about why are teenagers so interested in the amount of money pop stars make! You might as well ask Pop Stars to provide their bank statements to make a chart up. Actually the OCC already control the purchase price too much, particularly when it comes to the album chart, with many budget albums being excluded. In fact when the price was risen for one album, even though it was decades old, it became a new entry on the album chart - that was only just recently.

What I don't like about them is the term used sounds like they are free. When of course you pay for the track, this is then deducted from the price of the album. They also cause confusion with the pre-order track, which is not purchased in the same week you order it. I would prefer it that pre-orders on iTunes were paid for at the time of pre-ordering rather than waiting till it's released to pay for it. At the end of the day it's all to do with record companies and their obsession with iTunes and the fixation on album sales. This is at the expense of the singles market. They wouldn't do it if download sales were spread more evenly rather than now with iTunes being very greedy in the digital market.

I've started to buy downloads on Saturdays, due to the fact some records are coming out Friday. Though I used to do Mondays and later Friday. I would never do them Sunday, but I don't use iTunes, so it pays to wait longer for the other sites to put the new records up.

Technically speaking it would be considered in its 2005 form as what the Guinness Books referred to as a re-issue. Since the original was a 7 inch single and long ago deleted. Therefore you are correct as listing it as a new entry. Some singles were issued at this time with CD ROM videos on them. Often you had the choice of two CD's one without the CD ROM and one with. I don't know if this applies to this track, but if it did it would confirm the Peter Kay credit.

The main reason why the UK doesn't use OAOS is that because Radio is the main why of getting a record to sell. Despite the diversity in media outlets the main BBC stations are considered by Record Companies to be the breakers of a record. If they were to allow the OAOS to go ahead certain records which NEED airplay would enter only lowly in the chart and climb slowly. However the people with the power to playlist records are always looking for an excuse not to playlist a record. Since most of the records that are good enough to sell will make it to the playlist table a "ready" excuse is not to have an indication that the record is a slow seller! Since there isn't much TV exposure for records these days (since TOTP and Saturday kids shows on ITV went) airplay is needed. Also YouTube videos help, but too many artists are slow at getting a video up there. So the fall back is Radio. Pre-orders don't really count mostly because on iTunes it isn't so much an order as, more an agreement to send an e-mail to the person when the record is released so they can buy it. Some other sites do however have a different system. For example if you pre-order on Amazon a DVD say, you have to pay for it. If it is reduced in price they refund you the difference, up to the day it's issued. Many pre-orders on iTunes might not be purchased the week of issue or indeed at all. If the OCC were to count them it would have to "knock" sales off when the record was issued, since the OCC cannot see into the future and determine if a pre-order in week two of say a 4 week pre-order period was purchased in week one of release. However this hasn't stopped the record companies from abusing the system. And it is being used in the same way as Facebook uses of popular bands use to ensure a big sale on the week of release. How effective this system is shows in the current run of number one hits on the OCC with lots of new entries at number one lasting one week only. It seems that there is nothing that the OCC can do to stop this hyping. Another chart which is not widely recognised however has taken action to stop this. Since those that compile it don't operate using the time structure that is imposed on the OCC chart. It can work out precisely who purchases the records in week one of release and relate them back to the week of pre-order. Thus allowing the pre-orders to chart and therefore reducing their sales in week one of release. So far this has stopped several records going to the top, most recently Calvin Harris and Summer. Simply because the pre-orders give about a 30 to 40% weight to most of the current number ones on the OCC chart. I believe this system will go into decline when the OCC introduce streaming, till then they OCC will continue to have hyped new entry number ones.

Roy Castle died on the 2 September 1994

On the Glen Campbell entry. This is what you have: 26 Sep 70 Everything A Man Coild Ever Need 32 5 wks Shouldn't that be Could?

He could mean that, but the action by Beyoncé's record company (releasing the album exclusive to iTunes) upset many download sites. So much so that only iTunes and Amazon carry the download version of the album. I don't think that Amazon stock the CD version at all. Play.com, HMV/7 digital, Sainsbury's don't stock even the download version. Such action must have had a damaging sales effect. Even though the album did sell well. It certainly will stop any track from the album reaching the top of the singles chart. It wouldn't be a clever thing to do again, since you risk having a boycott on sales. And in these days of poor album sales that's a big risk to take. Yes I was wrong on MJ, but unless someone has some evidence that's it still going to happen, I think we need to put a rest to the story :coffee:

It's the Michael Jackson album I think? The single is on iTunes released today, the same as what Beyoncé did. And Amazon don't have the album till another week at least.

Just a few of the extremely complicated rules used by the OCC. 3.0: Singles Definitions Summary Product Format Dealer Price Maximum Playing Time and Content _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ a. i) Digital Audio Track Audio Download Minimum £0.40 15 minutes (one audio track) ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ b. i) Digital Single Bundle Audio Download Minimum £0.40 25 minutes and no more than four songs plus alternative versions of featured songs. Playing time of video tracks will not count towards total permitted playing time providing the video is cut to substantially the same mix as featured audio tracks or is the only commercially available video for the tracks. _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ c. i) “1 Track” CD Compact Disc Minimum £0.60 15 minutes and no more than one audio track. No multimedia content. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ d. i) “1 Track+” CD Compact Disc Minimum £1.20 15 minutes and one audio track plus additional audio track OR video OR ringtone. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ e. i) “Maxi” CD Enhanced Compact Disc Minimum £1.79 25 minutes and no more than four songs (audio or video) plus alternative audio versions of featured songs. ii) “Maxi” DVD Enhanced DVD Minimum £1.79 Playing time of video tracks will not count towards total permitted playing time providing the video is cut to substantially the same mix as featured audio tracks or is the only commercially available video for the tracks. _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ f. i) “Maxi” DMD Digital Memory Device Minimum £2.49 25 minutes and no more than four songs (audio or video) plus alternative audio versions of featured songs. Playing time of video tracks will not count towards total permitted playing time providing the video is cut to substantially the same mix as featured audio only tracks or is the only commercially available video for the tracks. Maximum memory capacity of 256MB. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ g. i) 7-inch Vinyl up to 7" Minimum £0.50 25 minutes and no more than three tracks. ii) 12-inch Vinyl over 7" Minimum £1.99 25 minutes and no more than four songs plus alternative versions of featured songs. _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ or Remix Single (see below) _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ h. Remix Single One song title and any number of remixes of that featured title to a maximum of 40 minutes applicable to “Maxi” physical or digital formats and 12” vinyl formats. One promotional video for lead track only. NOTES _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ 1. Playing Time refers to the amount of recorded material irrespective of content. 2. A Track is a continuous piece of recorded material. 3. Digital Minimum Dealer Price £0.40p : Only tracks with a minimum PPD of 40 pence or more shall be eligible for the Official Singles Chart. In the event that a record company has an alternative business model for the sale of downloads (i.e., one not based on a published dealer price), the price charged to the online digital retailer should not be less than 32 pence per track. OCC will monitor sales to ensure they are 'genuine sales'. Where OCC judges sales not to be genuine, they may be excluded from the chart at OCC's absolute discretion. 4. Singles Multi-packs are not eligible for the Official Singles Chart 5. Featured Song is defined as the lead track nominated by releasing label and common to all formats 4.0 Combining Formats for Singles Chart DIGITAL The following digital formats may be combined for chart placing. _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ d. i) Digital Audio Track Permanent Digital Download Unlimited digital variants or alternative versions of featured song may be combined for chart placing. _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ e. ii) Digital Single Bundle Permanent Digital Download Maximum of 3 digital bundles may be combined for chart placing _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ PHYSICAL In addition to the digital formats, sales of a maximum of 3 physical formats may be combined for a chart placing and purposes of chart publication. Note: A maximum of 2 formats from the Maxi Format section are chart eligible. Quantity of Format Type Permitted Per Single Release _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Standard Formats a. i) “1 Track” CD Compact Disc Any combination of formats from this section to the maximum ii) “1 Track+” CD Compact Disc of 3 physical formats iii) 7-inch Vinyl up to 7" iv) 12-inch Vinyl over 7" _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Maxi Formats b. i) “Maxi” CD (or Enhanced) or Vinyldisc Compact Disc 1 of each of the format types listed in this section are chart eligible, ii) “Maxi” DVD (or Enhanced) or Vinyldisc DVD to a maximum of 2 iii) “Maxi” Dualdisc Dualdisc iv) “Maxi” DMD Digital Memory Device _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ There are even more of these rules on the OCC website. They will invent some more soon no-doubt as they make up the chart to suit the record industry and the BBC.

Though it's true that most sales do indeed come from iTunes, sales are very close to each other, so a number one on that site plus the others will push a record such as this one keeping it higher, even though the iTunes buyers are getting fed up of it. Most buyers anyway will buy from the download site charts, they don't like to search for records. So if a record is on one of these sites top 100 you can bet it's selling better than a new record not on a top 100. Personally I wouldn't buy anything from iTunes.

If the play.com chart is anything to go by it won't be soon. Since it's still number one there! Overall it's been top there since it went to number one. Mind you it is a weird chart. It's currently got Anne Murray's You Needed Me at number 4!

Here's the missing one! 19-4-79: Presenter: Dave Lee Travis (NEW) GORDON GILTRAP – Fear Of The Dark (5) MILK & HONEY – Hallelujah (13) M – Pop Muzik (NEW) DUSTY SPRINGFIELD – I’m Coming Home Again (19) WINGS – Goodnight Tonight (video) (4) THE JACKSONS – Shake Your Body (Down To The Ground) (danced to by Legs & Co) (27) GONZALEZ – I Haven’t Stopped Dancing Yet (NEW) CHILD – Only You (10) THE THREE DEGREES – The Runner (1) ART GARFUNKEL – Bright Eyes (video)

I don't know about anyone else but I often view a track on YouTube for less than 30 seconds or 1 minute max, because it's either a crap (quality wise) or the wrong thing! Presumably such things count as a view. Is it the same with streaming sites. Does a 30 second listen count as a view? Could the charts be fixed by doing that?

Imagine is not listed on 45 worlds. In fact only 3 John Lennon cassette singles are on. Two of them being Woman (the other the euro version). The only other Lennon track being Watching The Wheels all on the Geffen Label and from 1981. If uses haven't been to the site it's well worth a visit. 45 Worlds Tape section You can narrow any search down by using the filter option. For example just select cassette single. I was really impressed with the Reel to Reel tapes. The Beatles albums must be worth a packet :huh:

I ran each of the UK number ones before John Lennon till the first cassette single, on the Tape database of 45 Worlds and you are right Robbie none of them appeared as a Cassette Single. So John Lennon is the first cassette single number one.

I've loads of old cassettes dating right back to 1978. Sadly some of them won't play. What happens is that you put them in the cassette machine press play and they might play for a while, then all of a sudden the tape slows down and stops playing then drops out of play mode. The tape gets that tight it just can't move it. Some commercial tapes suffer from this problem, but the blank tapes you bought to record on are worse. The brand made by EMI I have found to be the worst offenders. Sadly there's not a lot you can do when the tape goes like that. I understand it's caused by the lubricants used on the tapes. Originally these were whale products. When they switched to man made substitutes they just were not as good. So earlier forms of tape will still work now. Some people might think it was their cassette deck to blame, if they have only one deck. Because the tape makes a terrible squeaking noise and often has very bad wow and flutter, which sometimes can be caused by the deck. But I have put the tape in other decks with the same response. To give you a scale of how bad the problem is, so far I have lost between 20 and 30 tapes to this!

Dire Straits up from 1,722 to 354 on Amazon downloads as a direct result of last nights show!

Posted this elsewhere, but there's no reason members here should miss these few words of wisdom! The Village People with their first hit had managed to pull the wool over the eyes over much of the USA, as regards the sexuality of the band and it's associations with gay culture. However "In The Navy" pushed a bit too far and it became obvious! Shortly after this the USA would turn away from anything Disco. Nevertheless it wasn't only the anti-gay and Christian lobby that went off the band. Gay activists themselves didn't like the stereotypes being presented by the band. The band responded with less gay songs - such as Can't Stop The Music, which was also an attack on counter disco culture of the USA, but it was too late. In The Navy did go on to inspire producer Ian Levine, together with FGTH Relax, he put the two together and created the sound of High Energy which was a hit for Evelyn Thomas. The band itself was formed by French producer Jacques Morali, from an assortment of actors, dancers and session singers. Featured on the longer version... Billy Idol (of Generation X) who's real name was William Broad, was an English Literature student at Sussex University when Punk started. One of the novels he studied was a Douglas Coupland book called Generation X. The Film and novel references continued with that single. The title also happens to be a Russ Myer film, many of his films being famous for women with big breasts. Valley of The Dolls, I believe being one of them. Jools Holland again appears smoking a cigar on the Squeeze track. Even on the video's the band did he smokes the cigar! The two girls reminded me of Sharron and Tracy from Birds of A Feather! The Jam made it's mark on Paul Weller's school, quite literally! The word could be seen carved in school desks all over the place! Paul says the name came from Jam sessions he used to do with lads at school and saying that to his mother! But when you consider that the bands Bread and Marmalade were big at that time, it doesn't take much to put Jam in-between them! By 1975 they had been working the club circuit and one such club performance saw the wife of one of the chaps from EMI put them in touch with her husband at EMI. However it all came to nothing. It wasn't till the Sex Pistols broke when the record company A&R people became interested in this type of band. Chris Parry of Polydor was after the Clash, but CBS offered them a better deal. So Chris went with the Jam. Paul clearly used to much polish on his mirror in that song Strange Town, for he sings " I look in the mirror and what do I see? A great big layer of Mr Sheen starring back at me".