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Take That Thatters‏@TT_Thatters NEWS UPDATE @takethat 's new single #Wonderland is to feature in the new @johnlewisretail #2016 #Christmas #Advert . To be released soon...

At about 1 hour and 10 min, you can see Martin Kemp talk about Let It Shine and Gary. "He's the nicest guy....off screen" :lol: http://www.itv.com/hub/this-morning/1a1960a5409

Let It Shine will have long ended before the album drops :( I'm afraid this was a very bad move for them :( I hope this, at least, means we'll be getting 2 or 3 singles before the album release.

They're on the Dutch TT fb page. I don't know where they're getting their info from. https://www.facebook.com/takethatfanbase/po...476723956255782

There are all sorts of rumours that the new album will be released in January :blink: I soooo hope this is not true, cause it would be a total disaster. It could top all the bad decisions made in the previous years.

I think Elizabeth voted for Progress :D Because Robbie was in TT :P It would be nice to see why some people voted for III. As you all know, III is my favorite TT album, but it was definitely not my favorite TT era. Aside from the lead single and the tour, everything else was a mess.

For me, the Circus era would have competed with the BW one if it hadn't been for the album itself. I know I'm in minority here, but I think that's their weakest album since their comeback. Said It All is easily the best song on the album, for me, followed by You, Sleepwalking and Circus; I do enjoy Hello, The Garden and She Said as well, but I feel like the tracks on other albums are better than the ones on The Circus. In terms of sales and success, however, it's easily one of my favorite eras :)

Shame on you,Pippa! :lol: Only 10 points? :P I thought they were easily the best on that list, without any bias. I even gave points to Rihanna, Robbie and Britney, in my attempt at objectivity :P

I'll submit my votes this week, Pippa. I have to listen to most of those songs, as I'm unfamiliar with them. Take That will get the higher score, though :) PS: I've submitted my choices. Gosh, these have been some excruciating minutes - most of those songs are unlistenable.

Even if it's a few hundred sales, it's still good - it's a few hundred people more who get to know their new songs. We're so used at looking at numbers and seeing sales in them, that we forget that each sale is actually a person. Seeing that TT's album has re-charted, do you know if the same thing happened to Gary's album?

I don't think we have to worry about that too much: "Robbie says when he tours he will take his family on the road but on the topic of his old Take That bandmates, he says he’s not sure when he will return." “I’m agoraphobic so I’m a lone wolf — which sounds appealing but isn’t. I do have an email relationship with the boys but a friendship? There’s an eternal bond that will go on until we all pass away but I’m not friends with anybody apart from the wife and the kids.” https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/19280...-album-release/

Beautiful World for me too. III may be my favorite album, followed closely by BW, but BW is definitely my favorite TT era, for a few reasons: the CIBM tour performance - mind blowing! -, An Audience with TT and the dvd documentary - the best and funniest they ever did. It helps that they won a couple of Brit Awards too, during that time :) I think they got everything right with the BW tour - the perfect balance between music and staging. It's with the Circus tour that they started to overdo it, in my opinion.

Another great song that bites the dust :( I don't even understand why they bothered to release Higher than Higher as a single, when they knew there would be absolutely no promotion for it and 0 live performances :( But hey, we got a couple of live performances for Hey Boy! :cry:

The last time I watched the Brits was when TT performed Let In the Sun. It was an excruciating experience - worse than listening to top 40 on Radio 1.

As much as I'd like that to happen, I agree with Dylan that it's highly unlikely. Take That have been like a thorn in the Brits' side, regardless of their output. I could never quite figure out why the Brit Awards have been so reluctant to recognize TT's merits over the years. Anyway, I'm not too bothered by the Brit Awards; I'd rather TT won another Ivor Novello.

Does anybody know the midweek sales?

Thank you for explaining :) In that case, they're doomed :( The only way to soften the blow would be for them to release small bits of the single, to get people hyped and aware. Maybe even a tv ad announcing their new single. And some billboards.

Is it an established rule that all artists have to release on air/on sale or can they still choose their strategy? I know that Hey Boy and Cry used the on air/on sale approach, but that didn't exactly go down well - at least not for Hey Boy (although it's doubtful anything would have worked for that song), that's why I was hoping they'd be able to go back to their old approach. Piracy can't hurt them more than the lack of streaming.

For them to benefit from streaming, they'd need to attract large numbers of new young fans. Which would mean compromising their music and alienating the old fanbase. This is a vicious circle. They have to find a middle-ground, to appeal to both teens and more mature music listeners, in order to have a balance between sales and streaming. Of course, they could come up with something so extraordinary that millions of people would buy it and they wouldn't need streaming :) Taylor did pretty well on sales alone. That's why the pressure to make great music is bigger than ever. They rely mainly on sales and, for them to sell a lot, they need huge songs.

I believe Gary had another management when he released SISYL - a lot of thought, money, effort and creativity were put into it and I'd like to see the same thing with TT too. Maybe they should hire the company that worked for Gary. I know I read an article about how they did a marketing study, to see which strategy would work the best and would maximize exposure and sales. It created anticipation and it raised awareness of the album. They need something like that again.

They should at least release some teaser - a few seconds clip of the new single, so we get an idea of the direction they're going into. I really loved the release strategy for SISYL - slowly unveiling all the tracks on the album and promoting it at the same time. I just hope TT stay away from the on air/on sale strategy, like Jay pointed out. It won't do them any good. They should send the track to radios at the end of Oct and release it towards the end of November. And no single pre-orders allowed until the day of release. Meanwhile, they should have the video ready to be uploaded once the song is sent to radios and they should perform the single on Children In Need (although, if they do secure an XF slot, I imagine ITV will want exclusivity for the premiere of the single).

If they keep on putting out songs like Hey Boy instead of WYBTFM and CMH, we'll have plenty to talk about :lol:

I don't think they were referring to you, Dylan, but to me, cause I alluded that some of his fans are similar to him. But I'll try to temper down my views on Robbie in the future, cause I don't think I have anything constructive to say. If he'll ever release something I like, I'll give credit where is due, no matter how I feel about him. I make no promises, though, because I'm pretty hot tempered and Elizabeth really has a way of stirring me up :) I'll just put this out there: I don't like Robbie or his current music, but I don't hate him or wish him ill. There's plenty of room for both him and TT on the music scene and, as long as I don't have to read that TT are irrelevant, I won't feel the need to justify why I don't like Robbie.

Let's be honest here. I, for one, admit I haven't been kind to Robbie and I've been pretty blunt about how I feel, but some of the posters on this forum have, in the past, trashed Gary and called him all sort of names, on various threads and none of us here said anything. We've been pretty fair to Robbie, I think, as we all have admitted he's managed to build a strong fanbase all over the world, a good reputation as a performer and he's had a long career. We were just venting a bit of our frustration when it comes to his singing/songs and behaviour, that's all. It's pretty hard not to react and to keep being diplomatic when Elizabeth keeps reminding us all the time that Robbie is no 1 all over the world and TT are not worthy of wiping his boots.

Trust me, I don't go looking for his videos or any of his stuff :) They just pop up on my facebook timeline constantly, from certain TT fans. It's pretty hard to ignore them no matter how hard you try. I don't have a problem with those fans of Robbie's who are able to maintain a reasonable degree of objectivity, my problem is with those who proclaim him the best singer in the universe ever and the best thing since sliced bread - come on, any person would declare those fans lunatic and deluded! I can understand, up to a point, those who like his repertoire or performances, but I refuse to be polite just for the sake of it and pretend that those who say that Robbie is a great singer or other absurdities don't have a hearing problem. Besides, at the end of the day, I'm not the one going on a Robbie Williams thread or page or forum or anything, posting remarks about him, unlike some other posters. I simply posted my opinion about him in a discussion that arose naturally on this forum. My intention is not to be offensive to Robbie's fans, but I honestly cannot understand those who would idolize someone with so many flaws and issues. But I think I made my point more than clear, so I'll stop here.