milly

It's out of top 40 in today's updates :cry:

I hope III won't be out of top 40 this week. It's currently sitting at 40.

Can you, please, tell me where Take That are in the chart?

A new song from FN, sung by Gary: Believe: http://findingneverlandthemusical.com/story/ I love this one as well. Very playful and very inquisitive.

Considering some people sold only 14k in their first week last week, 4.5k for TT, after almost 4 months, is nothing to complain about. I'd be happy if the tour gave the album a boost, but I guess nothing's guaranteed. It worked for Gary last year, but it did nothing for Robbie's last album, so it depends. We'll just see.

:( "@officialcharts: @TakeThat straight in at Number 2 on the Official Physical Singles Chart: http://goo.gl/j2xANJ "

It looks like III sold around 4500 copies this week. Any sales are good, as long as they keep piling up.

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Not at all :) Thankfully for me, I have a real life that shows me exactly what I'm worth. As long as I manage to get my point across, I have no problems with not being a genius. In my silliness, I keep believing that it's not normal to waste my time on things I hate. But, everyone is entitled to use their time as they please, no matter what that means.

So, you can insult someone as much as you like, with no evidence whatsoever - all you do is repeat the same thing over and over again and distort facts to fit your theory of the evil Barlow -, but you take offense when someone else calls you weird? You provoke people, but expect them to take it casually and when they don't, it's still you who gets offended. And yes, I do think it's weird to waste time on forums belittling a certain celebrity over and over again. It's not something me or my friends are used to doing, so I do find it strange that an adult with family would spend time online hating on someone. 1. Not that it matters to you, but it wasn't Gary's duty to make sure that the school would be eventually opened. Here is the video of Gary and Cameron: If you can pinpoint one single moment where Gary made any slightly orientated political statements, I'd be very greatful. If anything, Gary seems to be distancing himself from David Cameron and he doesn't look particularly excited. All he talks about is music and education. 2. Gary had a private jet, why not use it after a week of hard time, especially when he was feeling so ill? What would you have had them to do, walk or swim from Africa to UK? How do you even know he didn't donate a nice sum himself to the charity?

So, where is the evidence of his hypocrisy? Was he trying to promote himself as God even back in the 90s when he started his charity work? Isn't it weirder to hate someone based on SUSPICIONS rather than like someone based on FACTS?

Thank you for sparing me the need to post the exact same thing. I don't know very much about the Tories and the Labour party in UK, but I do know that, in my very own family, we have voted political adversaries during the elections last year and nobody ended up hating anyone. I've seen lots of people condemning Gary for no other reason than allegedly being a Tory. Now I don't know how you all find this, but I think it's highly unfair, especially when all he ever did was support a music project. Had it been funded by the Labour, I bet he would have supported it equally. Artists in Romania support politicians openly during their campaigns, but nobody cares and nobody throws dirt at them (and I dare anyone in UK to say they're having it tougher than us, because of the politicians) Robbie has been involved in all kind of charities as well - one of them no later than last night -, he is an ambassador or whatever for UNICEF and is promoted in Australia like the ultimate icon of a healthy lifestyle and yet nobody has anything against him. The same with David Beckham, Ant and Dec and so on. So, why the chase against Gary alone, it's beyond me. It's not his fault some people have held him in high esteem and it's not his fault he can't behave like a jerk so that people stop trying to find his evil side. I don't think it's weird that fans appreciate him for everything he has done, I do find it weird when people are so blinded by hatred that they need to find a hidden agenda behind a normal man's every action.For everything he ever does, he's a horrible Tory or he steals money from the poor or what else - it's starting to sound like a broken record. There are people out there truly despicable, with a plethora of crimes, yet you all act as if Gary had killed someone. You all seem to ignore the fact that he's living surrounded by people. If he were to be a monster, I'm sure stories would have emerged by now. So, until someone brings me solid evidence of how horrible he is, I'll keep being a weirdo and like him. I'm not idolising him, because I have my God to believe in, but I am respecting him for everything he has done so far. And I do believe it's partly jealousy from most of his haters, whether it's conscious or not.

I noticed it too :( I don't understand why people react so badly to Gary, when there were people on tv last night who did the same as Gary and even worse things and got to walk it off. It's the only thing they can hold against Gary and they're blowing it out of proportions, like nothing I've ever seen. Gary can be with Mar, Howard and Robbie on the same stage and the only one to get all the hatred would be Gary. I don't like to play this card too often, but, in this case, I guess it's plain, nasty jealousy. Gary is practically what every man should be like and, because they can't be like him, they attack him and try to diminish him. And women who don't like him are plainly weird ... or with some weird male specimens at home :P Sorry for the rant, had to get it off my chest, cause I was a bit enraged after some comments I've seen.

I've made my peace with LITS not making top 100. At least the radio stations are playing it, which is ultimately the most important thing - getting your music out there. As for the album, I think it's doing well for now, hanging in top 30, even if the sales are low. But, considering Madonna has barely sold 30k during her first week and Rebel heart will plummet in the next weeks, I think we should be grateful that TT have managed to sell over 400k. The only acts outselling them by far are Sam Smith and Ed Sheeran and their hype will eventually die down. PS: Kath, in hindsight, it seems I didn't underestimate the public's reaction at all :)

My comment was not meant as a dig at Mark. Like I said, I do understand that he has his fanbase and that his fans have the right to be pleased, just like Gary's fans. I mentioned it in another post: I was speaking from a strictly commercial, objective point of view, which is why it may have come across a bit too harsh.

I don't think it's arrogant if it's true. Maybe not hundreds literally, but very few is very accurate. Mark admitted himself, during his solo tour, that he barely sold a few copies of TAODN. And he practically had to give away for free the tickets to his tour. You may not like it being put out there this bluntly, but it's the truth and it has to be taken into account when making decisions for TT.

I agree with dylandog about everything. Take That and Gary were never big on promoting anything beside the lead single. The only reason Gary had a bit of promotion for his 2nd and 3rd singles was because he had some documentaries and appearances where they were showing bits of the songs. But, after the scandal last year, Take That can't afford to be seen everywhere and draw people's wrath. On long term, as frustrating as it may be now, it could be a smart move: they're trying to lay down for a while in UK, at the cost of their singles flopping, while people are warming up to them again. The album is still doing alright, which is the most important thing. As for Gary being involved in other projects, it has never hindered his commitment to Take That or to his music. Even when he was on XF, he still found time for his fans and for music. I can't think of many people who would fly from LA to London, not sleep for 48 hours and do a gig for the fans a couple of hours after he landed. I don't think it's right to compare what's going on now with what was happening in the 90s. Gary was still pretty much a kid back then and he had his ambitions, like any young man. He has grown up - beautifully, I'd say - and he has learnt from his mistakes, which is the most important thing. He now values TT and his friendship with the other boys.

Exactly. If TT were to appear on Comic Relief, they'd be flooded with insults, while the backlash against people such as Robbie, Annie Lennox and so on is non-existent. I'm not saying I'd be happy if they got the same backlash Gary did, but I'm annoyed with the double standards from the press and the public. One is demonized, while the other one gets to walk it off as if nothing ever happened.

To be honest, I find it a bit unfair that Robbie gets to be part of Comic Relief this year, while the boys are not. It would have been the best opportunity for them to perform Higher than Higher, it would have been appropriate.

I like LITS, but I love I'd Wait For Life and, in my opinion, it should have got into top 10 at least.

People say they hear LITS on Capital Fm constantly, but, since I'm not in UK, this is all hearsay for me. Even so, airplay without some proper promotion won't do much. The simple fact that there isn't a single version, other than the album one, has had a big impact on the sales. I still don't understand why the label decided to release the single now, since they were aware Gary wouldn't be able to promote it.

I'm hoping fans will keep buying the CD-s this week, but I may be a little too optimistic.

LITS is #100 in the first midweek updates :( This is a mess. It could have charted so decently. :cry:

I don't think so, Jay. Gary is in NY at the moment, rehearsing for the opening of FN on Sunday. If TT were to appear on Comic Relief, they'd be eaten alive by the press and the haters. I think it's gonna be a long time before we see them associated publicly with charities again.

Based on sales, the album was @25, so only 7 places drop, which isn't that bad. Streaming is definitely not TT fans' forte.