tigerboy

Always a good read and this sunday the Thom Yorke ' Eraser' interview in the Observer Music Monthly. As always its free with the Observer newspaper.

Thom Yorke - 'The Eraser' interview in the Observer Music Monthly free this Sunday with the Observer newspaper.

I hate him he's all gob....

 

 

how could you hate someone who produced Liv Tyler?

 

hate her husband instead!!! shacked up with Liv and potential dodgy rocker too

 

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any band with an album called the hogyssey must be dire!!!!

 

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True Scott

 

I still remember The Sun having a 10 day countdown to Sam Fox's 16th birthday so she could legally show her tits in the paper, yet The Sun seems to moralise about paedophilia, if that isn't hypocricy by them I dunno what is :rolleyes:

 

think id rather have a picture of hmm rather than gary glitter near naked like in todays paper :puke2: :puke2:

....... as long as they have plenty of oil money coming in, dubai will prosper. im quite intrigued by its development tbh, not that i could ever afford to live there!

 

i so wont to go their to have a look.however dont think i could afford to have a look around let alone stay in Burj al-Arab ( برج العرب )

 

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would be cool though. look at the rooms!!! probably rated so many stars that champagne is pumped directly into your bath :lol:

 

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I'm sure you've all heard of the incredible and rapid development of Dubai. The city-state Emirate has some of the largest projects ever conceived:

 

Worlds largest hotel (complementing the world's tallest hotel already there)

World's two tallest buildings

Largest retail complex

Largest indoor ski resort

Largest entertainment complex ($20 billion Dubailand: 186 km² of theme parks, resorts, and more)

Largest manmade islands (gigantic palm-shaped, mile-long islands)

 

Add to that underwater hotels, collosal skyscrapers, the world's largest marina, giant business parks, one of the world's largest new airport terminals, a $5 billion train transit system, etc etc etc.

 

However, all this development is coming at the hands of hundreds of thousands of South Asian laborers who live in slums, are paid almost nothing, and had their passports taken away upon arrival. And there are many questions about Dubai's ecological sustainability and economic stability.

 

Will Dubai prove to be the world's biggest gold mine or will it collapse under the weight of its own hubristic opulence?

 

well at least they are looking ahead and developing new attractions and businesses for when the oil runs out.

 

and as for cheap labour, its the way of the world, every country will try to get the cheapest employment.

Yup, been very impressed by the Fratellis. Especially their fine Yorkshire impressions.

 

was thinking of getting this earlier this week. however got other things. skint now :(

Well, I remember seeing Razorlight sing this at the NME Awards and, sure enough, Bob Geldof was nodding along to it. He seemed to have a "where have I heard this before?" look on his face.

 

:lol:

so are The Mystery Jets still the gods of Thamesbeat or are serial-festival players Larrikin Love eclipsing them?

well this looks interesting!!! Steve Carrell is gonna star in a remake of an old Mel Brooks Spy spoof comedy TV show called Get Smart, where he plays a secret agent called maxwell smart, with the rumour doing the rounds at the moment being that his partner is gonna be played by Kristin Kreuk :wub: B)

 

thinking if it has any imput by the people behind 40 yr old virgin or anchorman could be the comedy to fill the void left by austin powers. a very cool comedy indeed (i hope that they wont bring in the bewiched writers :puke2: )

 

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here is the original bloke!!! from the original series!!!

 

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however at the moment we've got Little Miss Sunshine which is doing great guns at the North American Box Office for this kind of indie comedy film

 

They're pop I tells ya!

 

Well i go with the encyclopedias rather taking any personal view, think thats the best way or people will be arguing for ever!!!

 

Pop music

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

 

For Popular music (music that is "popular", rather than of a specific genre or style), see Popular music.

For the 1979 song by "M", see Pop Muzik.

 

Pop music is an important genre of popular music distinguished from classical or art music and from folk music [1]. The term indicates specific stylistic traits but the genre also includes artists working in many styles (rock, hip hop, rhythm and blues (R&B), and country), and it is reasonable to say that "pop music" is a flexible category. It may also be referred to as soft rock or pop/rock.

 

Characteristics as a subgenre

While Pop music is sometimes described as music produced commercially, for profit, "as a matter of enterprise, not art" it may more usefully be defined as a music whose content is driven by market as well as aesthetic forces. Pop "is designed to appeal to everyone" and "doesn't come from any particular place or mark off any particular taste." In musical terms, it is essentially conservative" in that it attemps to resonate with a large segment of its target demographic rather than pushing artistic boundaries. It is "provided from on high (by record companies, radio programmers and concert promoters) rather than being made from below..." (Frith 2001, p.95-96)

 

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History of pop music

 

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1930s and 1940s

Styles influencing the later development of pop include the Blues (Chicago), and Country (Tennessee).

 

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1950s

Early Pop music artists include Frank Sinatra, Bobby Darin, and Peggy Lee

 

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1960s

The decade starts out with such Teen Idols as, Johnny Tillotson,emily dewitte Bobby Vee, Brian Hyland, Tommy Roe, Gene Pitney, Frankie Avalon and explodes midway with Carole King, Neil Diamond, Burt Bacharach, Aretha Franklin, Isley Brothers, Ray Charles, Stevie Wonder, the Supremes, Marvin Gaye, Bob Dylan, Simon and Garfunkel, The Byrds.

 

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1970s

A proliferation of new sounds from the disco of the BeeGees, the piano sounds of Billy Joel and Elton John, the country of the Eagles, the rock-influenced pop of artists like Rod Stewart, Steely Dan, and Fleetwood Mac. ABBA was a swedish band who grew to fame after winning Eurovision and starting a whole new revolution of pop music.

 

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1980s

One of the biggest highlights for pop music in the 1980's was Michael Jackson's second Epic label release, Thriller, which went on to become the best-selling album of the 80's. Thriller earned Jackson the nickname "The King of Pop". Madonna also acheived success. Other artists included Prince, Kylie Minogue, Duran Duran, The Police, Abba, Phil Collins, and Culture Club.

 

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1990s and 21st Century

Resurgence of boy band and girl band trends. From the UK came the likes of Take That, Blue, the Spice Girls, a highly successful formula. Irish boy bands of the time include Boyzone and Westlife. The US had New Edition,New Kids On The Block followed by the Backstreet Boys, Hanson and then 'N Sync and Pop Princesses Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera. Australia had Boys from Oz. 1999 saw the rise of the Latin explosion with Ricky Martin at the forefront with his worldwide smash hit "Livin' La Vida Loca". Other latin artists to follow were Jennifer Lopez, Enrique Iglesias, and Marc Anthony. In 2002, Justin Timberlake had critical and commercial acclaim with his "Justified" album, emerging as the new "Prince of Pop", Jesse McCartney has emerged from Dream Street as a high-rating singer with songs like She's No You, in Australia Rhoderick Gates left the Melbourne Live Pop Festival on a high with Let Us See It Through and UK bands like Son of Dork capturing youth audiences with Ticket Outta Loserville.

 

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Sound and themes

Pop music, in whatever musical influence form it derives from, may be produced by a more basic songwriting approach and arrangement. The emphasis is often on a simpler melody, which makes the songs more memorable, and may use stripped-down rhythms. The combination of the melody and the rhythm allows for harmony to be a driving force of the song, which can make it more pleasing to the listener's ear. Pop music is essentially about the 3 minute song, about catching the listener's attention with something immediate, so it aims to have memorable melodies and lyrics. Themes range from personal songs to vivacious party jams. However, the most common theme deals with the wide range of emotions which stem from physical or emotional love.

 

Music videos and live performances are often used for exposure in the media, and artists may have extravagant stage shows and use choreographed dancing. Many pop tunes are used in both Dance clubs and Sport clubs.

 

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Effects beyond music

The friendliness and appeal of pop music make the subgenre prized by record companies, radio stations, and music television stations thanks to sales and ratings. The relative ease of the draw generates billions and billions of dollars into the entertainment industry. The wide canvas of artists benefit from sales, airplay, shows, and endorsements.

 

 

Popular music

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

 

Popular music is music belonging to any of a number of musical styles that are accessible to the general public and mostly distributed commercially. It stands in contrast to classical music, which historically was the music of elites or the upper strata of society, and traditional folk music which was shared non-commercially. It is sometimes abbreviated to pop music, although pop music is more often used for a narrower branch of popular music.

 

Definitions

The term "popular music" is used in broad and narrow senses. At its broadest, it refers to all music other than classical music, also known as art music. In the early 19th century, the traditional songs of the common people were referred to as "popular songs." By the late 19th century these songs were referred to as "folk songs." At that time, a distinction was made between folk music and more recently developed urban popular music. Today, popular music is often described as that distributed via mass media such as recordings and radio (as classical music is now also). Popular music forms part of popular culture.

 

Among scholars in the humanities, a broader range of definitions have been proposed. Frans Birrer (1985, p. 104) gives four conceptions or definitions of "popular" music:

 

Normative definitions. Popular music is an inferior type.

Negative definitions. Popular music is music that is not something else (usually 'folk' or 'art' music).

Sociological definitions. Popular music is associated with (produced for or by) a particular social group.

Technologico-economic definitions. Popular music is disseminated by mass media and/or in a mass market.

All of these, according to Middleton (1990,p.4) "are interest-bound; none is satisfactory." According to Hall (1978, p.6-7), "The assumption...that you might know before you looked at cultural traditions in general what, at any particular time, was a part of the elite culture or of popular culture is untenable." Thus popular music must be comprehended in relation to the broader musical field (Middleton 1990, p.11).

 

Bennett (1980, p.153-218) distinguishes between 'primary' and 'secondary' popular culture, the first being mass product and the second being local re-production, discussed further below.

 

"While repetition is a feature of all music, of any sort, a high level of repetition may be a specific mark of 'the popular', enabling an inclusive rather than exclusive audience." (Middleton 1990, p.139)

 

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Popular music as a business enterprise

Much popular music is the product of the modern business enterprise, disseminated for the purpose of earning a profit. Executives and employees of popular music businesses try to select and cultivate the music that will have the greatest success with the public, and thus maximize the profits of their firm. In this respect, popular music differs from traditional folk music, which was created by ordinary people for their own enjoyment, and from classical music, which was originally created to serve the purposes of the Church or for the entertainment of the nobility. (Today classical music is often subsidized by governments and universities.)

 

Although the controlling forces of popular music are business enterprises, young people who aspire to become popular musicians are not always driven by the profit motive. Rather, they often want to find an outlet for their sense of expression and creativity, or simply to have fun. Historically, the conflicting motives of business people and musicians has been a source of tension in the popular music industry.

 

Debate continues about the status of popular music. Some emphasize the commercial motive and suggest the big companies manipulate the audiences and sell them products with no intrinsic value. This is the debate about "authenticity" which rages whenever popular music is discussed. Commercial interests can cause the dilution of music as corporations take over their distribution, and may cause music to move away from the grassroots level of Folk or Blues. Several movements such as punk in the 80s, and Indie in the 90s, have attempted to try to take back control.

 

The electric guitar and amplification has had a big impact on modern music. In the 30s and 40s amplified instruments became necessary to compete with the loud volumes in the Big Swing bands of the era. Gibson introduced the first Gibson Les Paul solid body guitar in 1952. In the 1960s, the tonal palette of the electric guitar was further modified by introducing an effects box in its signal path, the wah-wah pedal.

 

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Performance of popular music by amateurs

Many people play popular music together with their friends, often in garages and basements, on a casual amateur basis. This activity is one of the most widespread forms of participatory music-making in modern societies. As participatory music, "garage bands" are in a sense a resurrection of the old tradition of folk music, which in premodern times was composed and performed by ordinary people and transmitted exclusively by word of mouth. The difference between the old folk music and modern amateur performance of popular music is that the participants in the latter genre are well acquainted with the expert performances that they hear on recordings, and often try to emulate them.

 

The older folk music of a society often lives on in a popularized version, which is likewise performed by experts and commercially disseminated. Such updated versions of folk music often have heavy amateur participation.

 

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Form

Main article: Song structure (popular music).

Form in popular music is most often sectional, the most common sections being verse, chorus or refrain, and bridge. See also the discussion of complexity below.

 

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Performers

A list of performers of popular music can be found at:

 

List of popular music performers

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Genres

Main article: Genres (popular music).

Popular music dates at least as far back as the mid 19th century, and is commonly subdivided into genres. Different genres often appeal to different age groups. These often, but not always, are the people who were young when the music was new. Thus, for instance, Big band music continues to have a following, but it is probably a rather older group, on average, than the audience for rap. For a few of the genres listed below (for instance, Ragtime), the original target generation may have died out almost entirely.

 

This "generation gap" in the consumption of popular music is particularly marked since the second world war and the increased economic and social independence of younger people. Music hall and other forms before the 1940s are not so clearly marked by generation.

 

Show Tunes are generally considered to be in between popular and art music. Examples being that " Memory" (Cats) is a very acceptable song, while only select groups of people enjoy listening to "One" (U2) , "Jellicle Songs for Jellicle Cats" (Cats), "The Dream" (Fiddler on the Roof), "We'd Like to Thank You, Herbert Hoover" (Annie), "Over the Moon" (RENT), etc.

 

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Classical music and popular music

The relationship (particularly, the relative value) of classical music and popular music is a controversial question. Some partisans of classical music may claim that classical music constitutes art and popular music only light entertainment. However, many popular works show a high level of artistry and musical innovation and many classical works are unabashedly crowd-pleasing. The elevation of classical music to a position of special value is closely connected to the concept of a Western canon, and to theories of educational perennialism.

 

The very distinction between classical and popular music is blurred in the border regions, for instance minimalist music and light classics, and are disregarded as art music. In this respect music is like fiction, which likewise draws a distinction between classics and popular fiction that is not always easy to maintain.

 

"Neat divisions between 'folk' and 'popular', and 'popular' and 'art', are impossible to find... arbitrary criteria [is used] to define the complement of 'popular'. 'Art' music, for example, is generally regarded as by nature complex, difficult, demanding; 'popular' music then has to be defined as 'simple', 'accessible', 'facile'. But many pieces commonly thought of as 'art' (Handel's 'Hallelujah Chorus', many Schubert songs, many Verdi arias) have qualities of simplicity; conversely, it is by no means obvious that the Sex Pistols' records were 'accessible', (trashy?) Frank Zappa's work 'simple', (Frank Zappa is considered by many a serious composer) or Billie Holiday's 'facile'." (light?) (Middleton, 1990)

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Complexity

It might be argued that, at least on the average, classical works have greater musical complexity than popular music. For instance, classical music is distinguished by its heavy use of development, and usually involves more modulation (changing of keys), less outright repetition, and a wider use of musical phrases that are not default length--that is, four or eight bars long (however, much minimalist music goes against these tendencies, thus are considered by many non-serious music).

 

This is not to say that popular music is definitively or always simpler than classical. The "default length" of phrases which classical music supposedly deviates from were set as the default by music of the common practice period. Jazz, rap and many forms of technical metal, for instance, make use of rhythms more complex than would appear in the average common practice work, and popular music sometimes uses certain complex chords that would be quite unusual in a common practice piece. Popular music also uses certain features of rhythm and pitch inflection not analyzable by the traditional methods applied to common practice music.

 

One may argue that it is normally only in classical music that very long works (30 minutes to three hours) are built up hierarchically from smaller units (phrases, periods, sections, and movements). Structural levels are distinguished by Schenkerian analysis. Fred Lerdahl (1992), for example, claims that popular music lacks the structural complexity for multiple structural layers, and thus much depth. However, Lerdahl's theories explicitly exclude "associational" details which are used to help articulate form in popular music, while Allen Forte's book The American Popular Ballad of the Golden Era 1924-1950 analyses popular music with traditional Schenkerian techniques. (Middleton 1999, p.144)

 

Bach had many contempories whose music was mediocre at best, and today their music is forgotten, surviving perhaps in libraries. The repertoire of classical music is skewed toward works recognized as excellent by listeners over long periods of time. It follows that genres of popular music that have existed for a long time might also produce works that show staying power. For instance, the work of Scott Joplin, a popular musician of about a century ago, continues to be played--often, curiously enough, by classical musicians. The advent of high fidelity audio recordings in the 1950s meant that the actual performances of popular musicians could be preserved forever, and this has raised the possibility that certain works popular music will achieve permanent status in their original recorded form.

 

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Influences between classical and popular music

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Works of classical music sometimes achieve a sudden, hard to explain popularity, and thus take on the temporary status of popular music; for details, see crossover. Moreover, many popular songs over the years have made use of themes and melodies from well-known classical pieces; for a list of examples see List of popular songs based on classical music. Songwriters such as Paul Simon have used classical techniques such as, during his early solo career in the 1970s, the full chromatic (Everett 1997).

 

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This film looks so good! Can't wait to see it! I loved Hero.

 

yeah wanted to get this from china, but after the promise turned up with no subs thought id better wait until i could actually read the film :lol:

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think this is lining up to be a comedy highlight of the summer!!!

 

high concept it maybe! but what a concept.

 

guy dumps girl, girl gets annoyed, girl turns out to be superhero, makes guys life hell!!! B)

 

and it also comes from ivan reitman who did evolution and ghostbusters (and whos son does thank you for smoking this week) and also features eddie izzard, anna faris and wanda sykes

THEY ****ING WELL AREN'T METAL!!!!!!!!!!! :angry: :angry: :angry:

Any thread about that bunch of girls in my forum will be deleted on site!

 

same with Aerosmith or any other hair metal band (cos it's basically not metal, but under the name metal).

thank you.

 

well may i refer you back to the articles on the previous page.

 

however much you might hate them the wikipedians list them as metal, the rough guide to heavy metal lists them as metal and so that should be the end of it!!!

its like a car crash thing... you have to look (or do you?) some take delight by being repulsed by him..

and on the subject of gg.... why tf cant he be man enough to ADMIT what he is?..... you know, id have more sympathy for him if he broke down and begged for help... at least hed be admitting what he is, but no, he still pretends hes innocent <_<

 

hey man thats quite a cool answer. makes a chance from the usual rage

and any comments saying 'so they run out of heather mills mccartney pics' either :lol:

ps if you want to reply try to leave off all the 'he's a nasty old man who should have his testicles removed/bugged by large samonan wrestler/shot etc etc

 

we know all this already and heard it many times.

do we really need to see gary glitter in his swimming trunks (as in page 8 of the sun)

 

we know what hes done, and now that he locked up cant they just stop giving so much coverage to him?

 

or is the warped cult of celebrity so much that they they didnt want to waste a peado in speado headline?

Well ive seen the trailer for this and it looks alright in a cinematic fluff for the eyes kinda way.

 

however think a few of her audience might have been put off by the way she looks so old in the film. looks older than Uma Thurman in prime!!! :lol:

 

and using mcfly could be a bad idea too. very much the thing of last year but one!!!

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This wasnt that much of a success in America so do you think it will claw back some cash in the UK and Ireland where McFly are well known?

 

or do you think in this country it will be stuck in a strange kind of limbo between teen films and other high concept romcoms like how to lose a guy (which did well)?

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this is his new film directed by Ronny Yu and based on the life of great Chinese fighter Huo Yuanjia (霍元甲).

 

it was massive in Hong Kong, number one for weeks, with no doubt a small part of its success down to the fact that it Jet Li's final martial arts film.

 

so apart from gunplay roles (such as what the Jason Statham/jet li film rogue is shaping up to be) could you see Jet Li getting much success in other genres like romcoms and family dramas? or do you think he will be limited to action flix?

If theyre metal Im desmond tutu!!! And Im a Bon Jovi fan!! Theyre rock, which unfortunately doesnt fit in as much in some of the categories- if only because they arent cool enough for Indie! Not that Bon Jovi have ever been cool, but thats never bothered me!

 

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Well Hello Desmond Mpilo Tutu, your Most Reverend mean metal mutha!!!

 

 

 

 

 

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production line horror or not?

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do you think Rob Zombie's artist gorefest will be compromised by genre masters dimention films on his halloween re-imagining or do you think he will be allowed without much interference by the company to go make a film for the real gorehounds and not just teenage audiences?

Hmmm... no dissing of the Jovi, ok!!!

 

Its a bit difficult here where to put them as they are not Indie, not metal and not really pop. They are Rock! Or got old Rock n Roll so they dont really fit in any of the categories.

 

 

they are metal, havent you been paying attention to the wiki?