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What a mess! Each chart is measured at 150:1, all totals are measured at 100:1, BPI U-turned on using 150:1 and are using 100:1. The numbers in this thread don't actually exist because you can no longer add up weekly chart totals to get a running total. Shape of You is double platinum on chart sales of 1M - in theory you could have a platinum record which charted lower than a gold record for its entire life.

Can someone confirm what BPI are doing? They posted an article in December 2016 saying they would be using 150:1 for their awards but this has disappeared and Shape of You has just been awarded double platinum which surely must be at 100:1. Has there been any information published?

To break it down: Streaming: Average number one recently has about 4.5 to 5 million. The half life of One Dance (from peak of ~9M to ~4.5M) was about 10 weeks. If Shape of You decays at the same rate it'll be hitting 6.5M in about the same time, which now equates to 45K in chart money. Sales: Here I think Hello is the closest comparison - it decayed to 20% over 5 weeks. That would be about 25K. Combined sales: Using the above Shape of You would have ~50K after 10 weeks. That is on the cusp - the lowest number one combined sales recently was 59K but 70-80 is more usual. A lot might depend on whether the album release gives the song a boost - personally I don't think it will be significant. More interesting, perhaps is how long Ed can monopolise the number one (as Bieber did) with tracks from the album. Could he get to Easter? Seems possible.

Yes, and hopefully the fact that for a song's total chart sales you won't be able to simply add sales and streams/100 together, means that they will get quoted separately more often. It all rather supposes that OCC have a notional figure of how much the chart should 'sell' each week - 8M, 9M, 10M? Anyone got an average for the last 10 years?

Are we not even allowed to say his name, like Voldemort?

So if it stays below 625,000 this would be the lowest selling annual number one this century (beating 'Where is the Love', 2003), possibly of all time - certainly since the 70s.

No there's only one measure of streaming - it's used for the chart and for cumulative totals.

So OCC list 163. Anybody know what number 164 is? YEAR OF RELEASE TITLE ARTIST 2014 UPTOWN FUNK MARK RONSON FT BRUNO MARS 2014 THINKING OUT LOUD ED SHEERAN 2014 ALL OF ME JOHN LEGEND 2014 RATHER BE CLEAN BANDIT 2013 COUNTING STARS ONEREPUBLIC 2013 ROAR KATY PERRY 2013 LA LA LA NAUGHTY BOY FT SAM SMITH 2013 HAPPY PHARRELL WILLIAMS 2013 BLURRED LINES ROBIN THICKE FT TI & PHARRELL 2013 GET LUCKY DAFT PUNK FT PHARRELL WILLIAMS & NILE RODGERS 2013 WAKE ME UP AVICII 2012 DON'T YOU WORRY CHILD SWEDISH HOUSE MAFIA / JOHN MARTIN 2012 DIAMONDS RIHANNA 2012 LET HER GO PASSENGER 2012 CALL ME MAYBE CARLY RAE JEPSEN 2012 GANGNAM STYLE PSY 2012 IMPOSSIBLE JAMES ARTHUR 2011 MOVES LIKE JAGGER MAROON 5 FT CHRISTINA AGUILERA 2011 PARTY ROCK ANTHEM LMFAO FT LAUREN BENNETT AND GOONROCK 2011 GIVE ME EVERYTHING PITBULL FT NE-YO, AFROJACK, NAYER 2011 PRICE TAG JESSIE J FT B.O.B 2011 SOMEBODY THAT I USED TO KNOW GOTYE FT KIMBRA 2011 SOMEONE LIKE YOU ADELE 2011 THE A TEAM ED SHEERAN 2011 TITANIUM DAVID GUETTA FT SIA 2011 WE ARE YOUNG FUN FT JANELLE MONAE 2011 WE FOUND LOVE RIHANNA FT CALVIN HARRIS 2010 JUST THE WAY YOU ARE (AMAZING) BRUNO MARS 2010 ROLLING IN THE DEEP ADELE 2010 LOVE THE WAY YOU LIE EMINEM FT RIHANNA 2010 FIREWORK KATY PERRY 2010 ONLY GIRL (IN THE WORLD) RIHANNA 2010 WHEN WE COLLIDE MATT CARDLE 2009 BAD ROMANCE LADY GAGA 2009 FIGHT FOR THIS LOVE CHERYL COLE 2009 I GOTTA FEELING BLACK EYED PEAS 2009 POKER FACE LADY GAGA 2008 HALLELUJAH ALEXANDRA BURKE 2008 SEX ON FIRE KINGS OF LEON 2008 USE SOMEBODY KINGS OF LEON 2007 BLEEDING LOVE LEONA LEWIS 2007 RULE THE WORLD TAKE THAT 2006 CHASING CARS SNOW PATROL 2006 CRAZY GNARLS BARKLEY 2005 (IS THIS THE WAY TO) AMARILLO TONY CHRISTIE FT PETER KAY 2005 THAT'S MY GOAL SHAYNE WARD 2004 DO THEY KNOW IT'S CHRISTMAS? BAND AID 20 2002 ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE/EVERGREEN WILL YOUNG 2002 HERO ENRIQUE IGLESIAS 2002 LOSE YOURSELF EMINEM 2002 UNCHAINED MELODY GARETH GATES 2001 CAN'T GET YOU OUT OF MY HEAD KYLIE MINOGUE 2001 IT WASN'T ME SHAGGY FT RIKROK 2001 PURE AND SIMPLE HEAR'SAY 2001 WHOLE AGAIN ATOMIC KITTEN 2000 CAN WE FIX IT? BOB THE BUILDER 1999 ...BABY ONE MORE TIME BRITNEY SPEARS 1999 MAMBO NO.5 (A LITTLE BIT OF…) LOU BEGA 1999 BLUE (DA BA DEE) EIFFEL 65 1998 HEARTBEAT/TRAGEDY STEPS 1998 BELIEVE CHER 1998 I DON'T WANT TO MISS A THING AEROSMITH 1998 MY HEART WILL GO ON CELINE DION 1998 NO MATTER WHAT BOYZONE 1997 ANGELS ROBBIE WILLIAMS 1997 BARBIE GIRL AQUA 1997 DON'T SPEAK NO DOUBT 1997 I'LL BE MISSING YOU PUFF DADDY & FAITH EVANS 1997 IT'S LIKE THAT RUN-DMC VS JASON NEVINS 1997 NEVER EVER ALL SAINTS 1997 PERFECT DAY VARIOUS ARTISTS 1997 SOMETHING ABOUT THE WAY YOU LOOK TONIGHT / CANDLE IN THE WIND '97 ELTON JOHN 1997 TELETUBBIES SAY "EH-OH!" TELETUBBIES 1997 TORN NATALIE IMBRUGLIA 1996 2 BECOME 1 SPICE GIRLS 1996 KILLING ME SOFTLY FUGEES 1996 SPACEMAN BABYLON ZOO 1996 THREE LIONS BADDIEL & SKINNER & LIGHTNING SEEDS 1996 WANNABE SPICE GIRLS 1995 BACK FOR GOOD TAKE THAT 1995 EARTH SONG MICHAEL JACKSON 1995 GANGSTA'S PARADISE COOLIO FT LV 1995 I BELIEVE/UP ON THE ROOF ROBSON & JEROME 1995 MYSTERIOUS GIRL PETER ANDRE FT BUBBLER RANX 1995 UNCHAINED MELODY/(THERE'LL BE BLUEBIRDS OVER) THE WHITE CLIFFS OF DOVER ROBSON GREEN & JEROME FLYNN 1995 WONDERWALL OASIS 1994 ALL I WANT FOR CHRISTMAS IS YOU MARIAH CAREY 1994 LOVE IS ALL AROUND WET WET WET 1994 SATURDAY NIGHT WHIGFIELD 1994 THINK TWICE CELINE DION 1992 I WILL ALWAYS LOVE YOU WHITNEY HOUSTON 1991 (EVERYTHING I DO) I DO IT FOR YOU BRYAN ADAMS 1989 RIDE ON TIME BLACK BOX 1988 ESPECIALLY FOR YOU KYLIE MINOGUE & JASON DONOVAN 1987 FAIRYTALE OF NEW YORK POGUES FT KIRSTY MACCOLL 1985 THE POWER OF LOVE JENNIFER RUSH 1984 CARELESS WHISPER GEORGE MICHAEL 1984 DO THEY KNOW IT'S CHRISTMAS? BAND AID 1984 GHOSTBUSTERS RAY PARKER JR. 1984 I JUST CALLED TO SAY I LOVE YOU STEVIE WONDER 1984 LAST CHRISTMAS/EVERYTHING SHE WANTS WHAM! 1984 TWO TRIBES FRANKIE GOES TO HOLLYWOOD 1983 BLUE MONDAY NEW ORDER 1983 KARMA CHAMELEON CULTURE CLUB 1983 RELAX FRANKIE GOES TO HOLLYWOOD 1983 RED RED WINE UB40 1983 UPTOWN GIRL BILLY JOEL 1982 COME ON EILEEN DEXY'S MIDNIGHT RUNNERS 1982 EYE OF THE TIGER SURVIVOR 1982 FAME IRENE CARA 1982 THE LION SLEEPS TONIGHT TIGHT FIT 1981 DON'T STOP BELIEVIN' JOURNEY 1981 DON'T YOU WANT ME? HUMAN LEAGUE 1981 STAND & DELIVER ADAM AND THE ANTS 1981 TAINTED LOVE SOFT CELL 1979 ANOTHER BRICK IN THE WALL (PART 2) PINK FLOYD 1979 BRIGHT EYES ART GARFUNKEL 1979 HEART OF GLASS BLONDIE 1979 I WILL SURVIVE GLORIA GAYNOR 1978 HIT ME WITH YOUR RHYTHM STICK IAN DURY AND THE BLOCKHEADS 1978 MARY'S BOY CHILD/OH MY LORD BONEY M 1978 RIVERS OF BABYLON/BROWN GIRL IN THE RING BONEY M 1978 SUMMER NIGHTS JOHN TRAVOLTA & OLIVIA NEWTON-JOHN 1978 YMCA VILLAGE PEOPLE 1978 YOU'RE THE ONE THAT I WANT JOHN TRAVOLTA & OLIVIA NEWTON-JOHN 1977 I FEEL LOVE DONNA SUMMER 1977 MULL OF KINTYRE/GIRLS' SCHOOL WINGS 1976 DANCING QUEEN ABBA 1976 DON'T CRY FOR ME ARGENTINA JULIE COVINGTON 1976 DON'T GIVE UP ON US DAVID SOUL 1976 DON'T GO BREAKING MY HEART ELTON JOHN & KIKI DEE 1976 SAVE YOUR KISSES FOR ME BROTHERHOOD OF MAN 1976 UNDER THE MOON OF LOVE SHOWADDYWADDY 1975 BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY QUEEN 1975 IMAGINE JOHN LENNON 1975 SAILING ROD STEWART 1973 I LOVE YOU LOVE ME LOVE GARY GLITTER 1973 MERRY XMAS EVERYBODY SLADE 1973 TIE A YELLOW RIBBON ROUND THE OLE OAK TREE DAWN FT TONY ORLANDO 1972 EYE LEVEL THE SIMON PARK ORCHESTRA 1972 LONG HAIRED LOVER FROM LIVERPOOL LITTLE JIMMY OSMOND 1971 I'D LIKE TO TEACH THE WORLD TO SING THE NEW SEEKERS 1969 SUGAR SUGAR THE ARCHIES 1968 HEY JUDE THE BEATLES 1967 RELEASE ME ENGELBERT HUMPERDINCK 1967 THE LAST WALTZ ENGELBERT HUMPERDINCK 1966 GREEN, GREEN GRASS OF HOME TOM JONES 1965 TEARS KEN DODD 1965 THE CARNIVAL IS OVER THE SEEKERS 1965 UNCHAINED MELODY THE RIGHTEOUS BROTHERS 1964 CAN'T BUY ME LOVE THE BEATLES 1964 I FEEL FINE THE BEATLES 1964 WE CAN WORK IT OUT/DAY TRIPPER THE BEATLES 1963 I WANT TO HOLD YOUR HAND THE BEATLES 1963 SHE LOVES YOU THE BEATLES 1962 I REMEMBER YOU FRANK IFIELD 1962 THE YOUNG ONES CLIFF RICHARD & THE SHADOWS 1961 STRANGER ON THE SHORE MR ACKER BILK AND HIS PARAMOUNT JAZZ BAND 1960 IT'S NOW OR NEVER ELVIS PRESLEY 1957 DIANA PAUL ANKA 1957 MARY'S BOY CHILD HARRY BELAFONTE 1955 (WE'RE GONNA) ROCK AROUND THE CLOCK BILL HALEY & HIS COMETS 1942 WHITE CHRISTMAS BING CROSBY WITH THE KEN DARBY SINGERS AND JOHN SCOTT TROTTER ORCHESTRA

I suppose Hello will make it at some point. The question is whether anything will ever become a million seller within a year of release any more.

Surely some announcement is due from BPI or OCC? New all time chart perhaps? Glaringly missed out Dirty Dancing in the above list or is it because it's various artists?

I don't think the BBC is that invested in the charts really, otherwise it wouldn't have crammed them into a Friday drive time show that only plays the top 25 and a show on the children's channel. They recognise that most people don't care and those that do have already worked it out from what's available online. Back in the day, it didn't matter that the chart was released on Tuesday and was on telly on TOTP on Thursday, everybody still tuned in on Sunday. Now OCC are doing updates on an almost daily basis and anything older than a few days is chip wrappers. I don't see a bubble that will burst - I see the new online consumerism. If people are connected on a plethora of devices more or less all the time, then streaming is the only method which makes sense. Even when you buy stuff it still sits on the cloud so that it follows you around, so you're really just renting space to keep stuff - more efficient just to access it from a central database whenever you need it. People have record collections which define part of who they are - if you want that then you still buy physical. I can't see anyone getting excited about their download collection.

I think they will have to do something because a static streaming levels chart is going to be very sluggish. You could introduce a formula of sales equivalent = streams / (100 X number of weeks since first chart entry) or similar. The other thing that occurs to me is that sooner or later they will have to include video streaming because some people consume their music with videos and some without. If you are trying to represent consumption accurately, then you can't arbitrarily ignore people who like videos with their music. In order to remain competitive Spotify & Apple and co are going to offer videos at some point - it's going to be bizarre to differentiate between those watching them and those not.

He had 19 million track streams across his entire back catalogue which sounds a lot but I suspect Justin Bieber gets close to this every week. Two possible reasons: 1. it doesn't feel like a fitting tribute to someone who just died to stream their music free; 2. the age demographic of Bowie fans skews a lot older than the current chart, even taking into account all those discovering him.

Many really good points in your post. I find the new Friday chart show an abomination, but I'm guessing that the Beeb are contracted to play a complete run down of the top hits as far as possible within the time constraints. Any other way of selecting the tracks moves away from pure chart and back into radio playlist territory. One of the things which has traditionally been exciting about the charts is the idea that they have to play a song if it is in there (of course they squirm out of it when they want e.g. "Ding Dong"). The problem with playing new entries is that there are a variable number (fewer and fewer these days) so it would make scheduling difficult. Breaking charts face the same problems of who does the selecting and, increasingly, how you define a new song given that tracks can hang around for months or even years before breaking through. As to your like-for-like point: I suppose that every good Belieber knows that what you do is download the album and then stream it every time you want to listen to it. Hell, you can even skip Sorry and Love Yourself because they won't count towards the album total. My point is that the chart only appears to be reflective of existing behaviour, what it actually does is change that behaviour. Streaming became popular because it's free essentially, but, like downloads a decade earlier, it was given legitimacy by its inclusion in the charts.

So one of the greatest songs ever misses out on the top 10 due to streaming :(

But look how the number of new songs is falling: http://www.polyhex.me.uk/uksingles/new-ent...n-chart-uks.cfm 2015 was down to 1975 levels (when there was only a top 50) and this was while streaming was going up throughout the year (enabling new songs to get higher streaming peaks). The warning bells should be ringing about chart stagnation: Bieber monopolising the top 5 with album tracks for three months, two Ed Sheeran album tracks in the top 50 after 80 weeks on the chart. There are only so many spaces for new songs to slot into. I think some tweaks are going to be needed.

It doesn't make any difference if it's 0.5 or 1, it counts towards its weekly total and its cumulative total. You could get 0.5 sales per week all year long and have 25 sales at the end of the year. As it's track streams/1000, it could actually get 0.001 of a sale in a week. It means we are unlikely to ever get exact ties in the charts.

Was it a shipments based award or did they used to allow for an extra 5% above "Defined Universe" sales? (Now where did I hear that before?)

"Defined Universe Sales" <shudder>

Yes true. Might not even affect a single position. Still, it's the principle of the thing: if you do a chart for a period you apply the same rules throughout the period.

http://www.officialcharts.com/chart-news/t...evealed__13273/ "While the Top 40 list includes streams after their incorporation into the Official Albums Chart last March..." Oh joy. Just like they did with singles in 2014 and then revised it to include streaming for the whole 12 months.

I make it the 3rd most successful chart performer (after My Way and Sex on Fire) in terms of position points (1:100 reversed). Close to 2M chart-sales. Probably most streamed song ever in the UK - possibly get a new radar :) (but I know what you mean)

You'd hope so. Just if it keeps streaming all year and puts on 1M or so combined sales, after all Thinking Out Loud almost did 1M in two consecutive years

The next one's probably going to be bloomin' Love Yourself. I mean I like Uptown Funk and everything but it didn't make for the most exciting year did it?

What's the time limit? Does it count if you stream something else in between the tracks or log off for a while and come back?