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That is far from clear in the latest polls... :thinking:

You'd expect them to *support* something that could only help their opponents? :wacko:

That depends on whether you see it as an ongoing process, or an end in itself. I haven't seen any such projections, so is that more of your BS? Riiight.. because it's so unselfish to extract & spend other people's money,,, :rolleyes:

At very least we should be able to get back to normal politics! :cheer:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/n...-marginal-seats

The main reason for most here to support votes at 16 is a purely partisan one, nothing to do with participation in the process! They believe it will help Labour, full stop! I'm 100% sure that if under-18's favoured the Tories, we wouldn't hear a peep! :rolleyes:

I guess we'll have to wait & see what sort of deal Labour can negotiate - if they ever get the chance... :unsure: How much social mobility is there under socialist gov'ts? They depend on the poor for support, so they have no incentive for people to get richer and risk becoming more conservative...

You do remember that 'no adverts' is one of the BBC's main selling points?

But I suspect you can count on one hand the number of such marriages that last even 5 years... I see you've finally figured out the 'landed-gentry' blocker. :rolleyes: And why wouldn't it go lower - don't 14-15 yo's 'have a right to say how their country should be governed' too? I keep telling him I've never *voted* Tory in my life, but he won't believe me.

You are clairvoyant now? :rolleyes:

AS if you were going to vote any other way... :rolleyes: IMO the ultimate foot-shoot is Corbyn's prevarication over BRexit - it surely *has* to be costing the party votes.

Then instead of complaining, why not work hard & become rich yourself? <_< It would seem as if the LD's are hardly doing Lab a favour here. The same could be asked of Labour. Possibly as early as 10pm with the exit poll. :unsure: IMO his fence-sitting is costing him votes - and people don't like potential PM's who can't make decisions... OMG! :lol: Unless they vote for Corbyn, yet *still* go for Brexit too...

WTF gets married at 16 anyway? :rolleyes:

Say it *did* become 16 - how long before people started pressing for it to be even lower?

I think the plan is for it to work *electorally*... :teresa:

I think I was too generous here - it's not 4 weeks yet, and it already feels like 4 years! :o

So, you *admit* that promising everything is Labour's tactic?

There may be a temporary one, for the period after the Lab manifesto comes and before the Tory one does. I think the affect of new voters may be exaggerated. :unsure: Say 300k new voters, lets say 60% turnout, and 60% of *those* vote Lab, that gives 108,000. Dividing that by 650 constituencies gives just 166 each. Even allowing an extremely generous 70/70 gives just 226 each...

The reasons you've given for being allowed to vote at 16, would apply to even younger people too, but I think you'd agree that the line has to be drawn somewhere. :unsure:

Godwin invoked.

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While council by-elections aren't that significant, they are at least *real* votes, rather than opinion polls. :thinking:

What makes you think I didn't know that?

I'm beginning to wonder of you are simply a bot set up by Momentum, since you respond as if by reflex to anything that doesn't suit you/Labour. :heehee: Won't it be clearer when all manifestos are out, though?