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So, no attempt to address the actual issue - that's something *I* usually get criticized for...

You want it done by an electoral college instead, perhaps? :heehee: Seriously though, if not by them, then who?

At least your rants are consistent. :rolleyes: As always, you neglect to mention that we're still going to be able to trade with the EU, despite Brexit. :mellow:

This is rich - you ask me & Chris not to be triumphalist in victory, and we have indeed been restrained. I in return request that sour grapes like the above be toned down. I you can't do that, then I am afraid the gloves will come off... Regards,

For many Leavers, that in itself is a good enough reason.

I thought I'd been very restrained, actually... :P

I don't believe for a second you'd be making this claim if it was Labour who had an 80 seat majority. :rolleyes:

Can you put a probability figure on your worst case scenario?

What I make of it, is you doing your usual tactic of predicting the worst possible consequences, with little evidence other than your own opinions.

I thought this forum had rules about ad hominem attacks? :mellow:

Since when did you start believing opinion polls - you didn't before the GE... :lol: BTW, can't you try to make one post without the use of hyperbole?

They didn't *get* a majority in 2017 - I thought that was the point?

Yes, remainers who wouldn't have voted for it anyway. That was *why* he didn't have the numbers. :mellow:

Come on, you know better than that. :mellow: The Tories didn't have the numbers to win the necessary vote then - that was hardly their fault. Or so Remainers would like people to believe. :lol:

Making that false analogy is not helpful. :( Or he know that a having Leave win, but the Bill fail by some qualifier, would just stir up more trouble long term - just as the 1979 Scottish Referendum did. :mellow: Surely that's the opposite of what he said? More hyperbole. :mellow: FFS, you're like a dog with a bone. :rolleyes: Anyway, I disagree that no-one cared about the EU until recently. A lot of us *did* care, but until UKIP came along, we literally had no voice! Virtually the whole establishment was united in suppressing debate on the subject, using the same 'racist/uneducated' smears that we have come to know so well. :(

You mean Welsh-speakers, or young Welsh in general? Either way, you can hardly have Brexit for *just* older voters, so the whole issue of age split is moot. BTW, I found an interesting analysis of Brexit in *Scotland* : http://ppiw.org.uk/files/2017/03/Ailsa-Henderson.pdf

But without pressure from UKIP, Tory Leavers would never have been emboldened, or Remainers frightened.

In one word - Money. :rolleyes:

IIRC Paul Weller got pretty peed off when David Cameron said he liked 'Eton Rifles', as 'he totally didn't get what it was really about'. :rolleyes: For me, if a song sounds good, the message, if any, is very much secondary. OTOH, if a song is terrible (e.g. Band Aid) I simply won't buy it, no matter how worthy the cause - I'd rather just drop money in a collection box instead.

Right... the sort of 'coup' done by the ballot box. :rolleyes:

If the EU were to insist that all members have a PR voting system, then that's something I could get on board with... :thinking:

Is this how you boost your post count - double-posting? :P

UKIP barely won any seats in the HOC, so that's not necessarily crucial for a Leave movement. :mellow:

True - I didn't know who he was before that song!

This thread has reminded me that I haven't yet posted my 'best non-T10, etc' sales estimates for 2019. :thinking: