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How many weeks did Chasing Cars potentially lose though from being inelligible when the chart rules allowed labels to 'strike out' their releases, before the rules changed again at new year and allowed all the struck out songs back in? Would it be enough weeks that it could potentially have still been on top otherwise?

Trying to figure out what happened with the Jusin Bieber/NHS collab. Was it combined with the original version in the charts, and therefore probably ACRed, or was it just that the original did better and the new version ended up ineligible due to the 3 track rule? How often does one of the two presumed favourites in the xmas chart race end up missing the top 40 entirely?

Merry Christmas Joseph, thank you for taking the time out of your Xmas Day to host this thread for all of us.

Yeah I knew what you meant, I was just being daft, sorry.

You will? Who knew Taylor was a buzzjacker!

I've just finished comparing my version of the list against Adrian's and found only a few periods where we disagree, and only then from 2016 onwards: 15/12/2016 to 12/01/2017 I let Mariah have the first of these weeks, because I allow previously listed songs to become re-eligible after having been excluded for 52 weeks. Adrian’s list have the other four songs I have in that period, but his fifth week has Daft Punk (who were only at #13 in that week) to compensate for not having Mariah initially 21/12/2017 Mariah’s 52nd week of ineligibility was the week before, so she became eligible for my list again in the same week she climbed to #2, thus getting relisted on my list. Adrian again steps over Mariah, and has to go down as far as #11 to find NF (also stepping over Wham! and The Pogues in the process). 04/01/2018 Similarly I gave it to Wham! this week, who had climbed to #2, but Adrian steps over them and travels down the chart to Brenda Lee at #9, who was last in the top ten with the track at Xmas 1962, It does look like she would not quite have made the list back then, so would have still been eligible for Adrian’s list at this point. 05/04/2018 to 12/04/2018 I have Freak Friday then Weeknd’s Call My Name, where Adrian has Zedd then Freaky Friday. In the first of these weeks Freaky Friday was definitely higher in the chart, and we both agree it was eligible at the time (as Adrian lists it the following week), so not sure why we have a discrepancy. 19/07/2018 to 26/07/2018 As with the first difference I allowed an old song to be relisted, this time 3 Lions, which was number one that week. Adrian stepped over 3 Lions, listed Drake a week early, and thus gave Ariana an extra song on the list. 03/01/2019 to 17/01/2019 In the first of these weeks I once again relisted Mariah, who had once again climbed to #2. Adrian steps over her and 3 other xmas oldies, and finds Michael Buble at #7, in his first top ten week with that track. In the second week there were 2 Post Malone tracks in the top 5, and the higher of the two was Sunflower, which I listed, whilst the other was Wow, which Adrian lists in the same week. The following week Wow had overtaken Sunflower, but if you had, in error, listed Wow the previous week then Sunflower would still be the highest unlisted track, as it is still above Headie One, which Adrian thus promotes to his list at the expense of Sunflower. 21/03/2019 to 11/04/2019 In the first of these weeks the top 7 are ineligible, and 3 of the next 4 are by Dave. I list Disaster, which was at #8 that week, whilst Adrian lists Location, which was lower, at #11. In week two of this period Adrian list Lauv at #8, thought Tom Walker had just climbed to #4 and made my list. In week 3 I list Location, now at #6, whilst Adrian now lists Tom Walker, who is up to #3, so we have both played catch-up a bit with each other’s lists. In week 4 I list Bad Guy, which is new at #2, but Adrian lists Bury A Friend, which climbed to #6. 25/04/2019 After agreeing on Old Town Road the previous week, when it shot up to #2, we diverge again, with Adrian listing Bad Guy, at #3 that week, and me, having already listed Bad Guy, listing Maduza at #4. This week is the last week I listed when I last updated my page, so I would need to calculated the rest from scratch to compare them, which I may do after Xmas.

I actually once did this very same list, but starting from the first chart in 1952. The only bit I ever put online was from 2010 onwards. which is on my private website here http://www.spanglefish.com/webbyswonderful...p?pageid=288578 although I haven't updated it for a while.

What about the version by Whigfield? And have we also forgotten it was also covered by the pop superstar known as the Crazy Frog.

Ladbaby was originally just him, and the tagline was something like 'transitioning from lad to dad one sausage roll at a time', but by now it is really more a brand name that encompasses Mark, Rox and both kids.

I'm just going to mention the Goodies, who had a few novelty hits in the 70s. Has anyone got "Father Christmas Do Not Touch Me" on their xmas playlist? No? Thought not. What we now know about many of the light entertainment and music stars of the 70s does rather put a different light on that particular xmas hit. Come to think of it I think the Goons were also a comedy three piece in th charts a generation before The Goodies.

Erm both Bjork and I mentioned them back on page 1! I've also thought of N-Dubz (unfortunately... not really my cup of tea, and I ended up leaving the tent when I saw them live at the Radio 1 weekend in 2009).

I very nearly accidentally pressed it too. It's kind of in the wrong place intuitively I think.

I really want them to get a massive sales figure, I'm just not sure they'll get it this time. They apparently only pressed 3000 CDs, which I'm assuming have already long since sold out as preorders as I can't find a way to order one anywhere, and there are plenty of others commenting on their videos and posts that they would still like to order a CD too, so that is lost sales right there even before the sale week had begun. I'm sure there will still be those who download once, or multiple times, but how many still bother with any kind of downloading these days, which makes me think the download sales won't be any higher than previous years, and may in fact be somewhat lower. Which leaves everything hanging on streaming, where a chunk of the ladbaby supporters are now less able to count as they have a free streaming account which has a worse ratio than in the past. I really hope my pessimism is totally unfounded, but I'm a bit nervous for them this year and with stronger oppostion in the chart race than in previous years whether or not they get xmas no1 feels a lot more in the balance to me this time. I'm editing this to add that a kind lady called Lorraine Barnes saw one of my comments on the facebook group about the lack of any way to order the CD, and has sent me the link, and I have been able to buy one now. https://www.musicglue.com/ladbaby-store/pro...top-me-eatin-cd?

Bros were a three piece the first time around (the Goss twins plus one non-brother). And although there were other lesser members intially the core line-up for the Bee Gees was a 3 piece (again twins, but plus one actual brother). I think 5ive were rather ironically down to a 3 piece at the very end, and it was one of the remaining 3 suffering a nervous breakdown that led to the band's eventual demise. The Supremes were a 3 piece as well IIRC, as I think were Bananarama first time around. Also if the Three Degrees weren't a 3 piece then someone should let trading standards know.

To find out what the song was in the first place if they had just heard it somewhere but had never heard it before.

Yes I think it re-entered the chart at the lower reaches due to becoming a TikTok meme, and has become the new Rick-rolling.......

The OCC, and some chart books, 'standardise' the chart dates' by converting them all to a 'week ending' date that falls on a Saturday, which arguably made sense when all charts post Feb 1969 where also week ending Saturday. Since the last few years and the move to a week ending Thursday chart, perhaps it doesn't make sense. The actual singles charts of the 50s and 60s, as compiled and published by various different competing music magazines, were dated by chartologists either by a chart date published with the actual chart in that week's magazine, or by the publication date of the actual magazine. Neither of those two dating methods necessarily produces a date that tallies with the actual day the magazine became available in the shops, nor with the actual day of compilation of the chart (itself obviously at least a couple of days before the date the magazine became available). In addition the method of compiling charts was more a survey that created a sample that could be used as a guide to the whole market, and was, as I understand it, usually done by a magazine on a particular day of the week, so didn't necessarily cover any particular sales week as such anyway. Initially NME in the 50s published a chart that gets dated with a Friday date. The first Record Retailer chart was dated a Thursday date, and later moved to a Wednesday. When BMRB began compiling an official chart in Feb 1969 this was compiled for a Mon-Sat sales week (no sales on a Sunday in those days!) and was then announced on the following Wednesday, moving to the Tuesday. By early 1987 the chart was being announced in passing on ordinary Radio 1 shows on the Tuesday (or Wednesday in a bank holiday week) and was then played in full the following Sunday (i.e. just over a week after the sale period used had ended), but this changed in November 1987, with improvements in POS technology meaning that it was now posisble to compile the chart on the Sunday morning, as soon as the sales period ended, and announce it first on the chart show that afternoon. This remained the status quo until a few years ago when the OCC moved to a Friday to Thurs chart week, and Radio 1 to announcing the chart as part of their Friday evening schedule. Hope this helps.

4 in a row would be the 'in a row' record but 4 in total would not be a 'in total' record. The Beatles were xmas number one in 1963-65 and 1967, and it looks like they weren't even in the race in 1966.

The cover is a parody of Queen's bo rhap video with the four family members in a circle etc, so I assumed it was a cover of Don't Stop Me Now?

I think Wham! could well do it eventually, and if they do it could then pave the way for the Pogues to finally make it another week or year, although the ship is just starting to sail, sadly, for the Pogues in terms of its popularity, so perhaps by the time Wham! do eventually manage it (if such happens) it might be too late for the Pogues to then follow suit.

I think the charts should be a level playing field, and that ACR goes against that as it is, so I don't think double ACR should happen. The more complicated, confusing and arbitary the chart rules get the harder it is for the average person to understand how the chart is compiled, and therefore the harder it is for them to understand what significance being number one is even meant to have. The chart has always had rules, but in the old days it was a straight tally of sales (admittedly in the very early days this was extrapolated from a small sample of retailers), with the highest seller at number one, which was really simple for even the most casual of chart music followers to understand, and any rules that did exist were there to keep the playing field level. Nowadays there are so many rules, and they mostly exist to purposely make the playing field less level rather than more level, and also serve to make things too complicated, to the point that even the more dedicated chart enthusiast is likely to get confused with it all at some point. Another point is that if the chart rules are so complicated, doesn't it make it harder for us to know if we can even trust they are calcuated correctly, and therefore potentially easier for the compliers or industry to just straight make it up (not saying they actually are making anything up, but all the different ratios etc would be the perfect obfuscation for it were they to decide to start making it up to purpose hinder or favour any particular release, artist or label).

I was probably the exception rather than the rule, but back in the day when the charts were mostly physical I used to buy singles because I was passionate about collecting them, and about not having obvious gaps in my collection, and not because I was neccessarily passionate about any particular individual single. Fast forward to now and I have boxes and boxes of cassettes and cds in what is supposed to be the broom cupboard, plus a spare room full of vinyl, all of which cost a lot to collect, and yet I usually just use youtube to listen to/watch music nowadays.

To update this to the end of 2020 3rd January 2020 Scott Mills 10th January 2020 Scott Mills 17th January 2020 Scott Mills 24th January 2020 Scott Mills 31st January 2020 Scott Mills 7th February 2020 Scott Mills 14th February 2020 Scott Mills 21st February 2020 Scott Mills 28th February 2020 Cel Spellman 6th March 2020 Scott Mills 13th March 2020 Scott Mills 20th March 2020 Scott Mills 27th March 2020 Scott Mills 3rd April 2020 Scott Mills 10th April 2020 Cel Spellman and Katie Thistleton 17th April 2020 Scott Mills 24th April 2020 Scott Mills 1st May 2020 Scott Mills 8th May 2020 Scott Mills 15th May 2020 Scott Mills 22nd May 2020 Scott Mills 29th May 2020 Scott Mills 5th June 2020 Scott Mills 12th June 2020 Scott Mills 19th June 2020 Scott Mills 26th June 2020 Scott Mills 3rd July 2020 Scott Mills 10th July 2020 Scott Mills 17th July 2020 Katie Thistleton 24th July 2020 Scott Mills 31st July 2020 Scott Mills 7th August 2020 Scott Mills 14th August 2020 Scott Mills 21st August 2020 Scott Mills 28th August 2020 Jordan North 4th September 2020 Scott Mills 11th September 2020 Scott Mills 18th September 2020 Scott Mills 25th September 2020 Scott Mills 2nd October 2020 Scott Mills 9th October 2020 Scott Mills 16th October 2020 Scott Mills 23rd October 2020 Scott Mills 30th October 2020 Scott Mills 6th November 2020 Scott Mills 13th November 2020 Scott Mills 20th November 2020 Scott Mills 27th November 2020 Scott Mills 4th December 2020 Scott Mills 11th December 2020 Scott Mills 18th December 2020 Scott Mills 25th December 2020 Katie Thistleton 1st January 2021 Alex West & Numi Gildert So assuming the last four are as planned the chart of Radio 1 chart show presenters, up to the end of 2020 is: 1. Mark Goodier 470 1988-2002 2. Bruno Brookes 358 1986-1990 & 1992-1995 3. Tom Browne 278 1972-1978 4. Alan Freeman 258 1967-1972 5. Reggie Yates 237 2007-2012 6. Scott Mills 200 1999-2020+ 7. Simon Bates 130 1976-1977, 1982-1985, 1987 & 1992 8. Tony Blackburn 123 1979-1982 9. Joel 122 (121 with JK, 1 solo) 2005-2007 10. JK 121 (121 with Joel) 2005-2007 11. Greg James 114 2010-2012, 2015-2018 12. Tommy Vance 103 1982-1987 & 1991-1992 13. Wes Butters 102 2003-2005 14. Jameela Jamil (1 with Clara Amfo) 97 2013-2015 15. Fearne Cotton (75 with Reggie Yates, 3 solo) 78 2007-2009 16. Richard Skinner 71 1984-1986 17. Dev 28 2009-2010, 2015-2018 18. Clara Amfo (1 with Jameela Jamil, 17 solo) 18 2015 19. Mista Jam 16 2017-2018 20. Clive Warren 12 1995-1998 21. Jordan North 11 2017-2020+ 22=. Andy Peebles 4 1979 & 1983 22=. Katie Thistleton 4 2019-2020+ (2 with Cel Spellman, 2 solo) 24. Cel Spellman 3 2019-2020+ (2 with Katie Thistleton, 1 solo) 25=. Pete Murray 2 1968 25=. Neale James 2 1994 25=. Dave Pearce 2 1995 25=. Jo Wiley 2 2002 & 2005 25=. Nemone 2 (1 with Scott Mills, 1 solo) 2002 & 2005 30=. (18 other DJs with one guest presenting appearance)

Was the December 1978 strike the one that happened abruptly on the day that Blue Peter's traditional xmas show was due to air that year? Their xmas show was always live and always featured a studio crammed full of many different school choirs and a brass band, as well as literally always using the same script every year. I think Biddy has said before that it was possibly the worst day of her career having to send home hundreds of confused and upset children, many in floods of tears at missing out on being on telly, after they had spent the last few weeks rehearsing the songs and looking forward to it.

Sorry I posted so many replies here, I haven't been on buzzjack in a while and there were loads of things I want to reply to lol. My suggestion for a song where 'Rock and Roll' could be replace with 'Sausage Roll' is the song from Grease 'Rock and Roll is her to stay'. I could just see Mark (ladbaby) singing 'Sausage Rolls are here to stay, they will never die'.