DanChartFan

No I think the 2016 hits are added on at whatever ratio was current then, and so on for each year, as the OCC maintains a continually updated sales total for each hit as each week's chart is added to all the lifetimes. I don't think the OCC has taken the time/effort and gone back and recalculated streams from past years for a ton of releases with a revised ratio (but am happy to be proved wrong, if this is the case).

I stream music myself, so know how it work in principle. It depends what you mean by 'to be successful', if you mean chart position in the short term then sure you need a lot of people streaming in the weeks it's high up the charts (since there is a 10 plays per day per streamer cap), but some of these streaming hits never reached top 20 even (one missed the top 40), so aren't necessarily being streamed by such high numbers of people in the short term. The total lifetime sales however continues to count repeat plays from whoever was playing it originally, and over time that can easily become equivelant to two or three or more sales onto the lifetime total. Maybe though you also argue that many of the people who were force in the sales era to buy one whole copy would have stopped streaming it sooner in the streaming era and not contributed that much. I'm not sure what the answer is, but I know despite what this list appears to suggest that songs like Sugababes Round Round and Girls Aloud Love Machine are notably bigger and much more well known hits than Oops by Little Mix (which I'd never heard of (though having played it on youtube I do like it), which never reached the top 40, and which was never an officially released track in the first place, just an album track (though I acknowledge that the lines have become very blurred now in the streaming era).

The two purchases together is instantly more in that one week, but this sales list potentially takes into account a contribution of up to 0.7 sales every week until you get sick of playing the song. I realise most people aren't going to play a track 100 times a week, but even if they are only say doing a tenth of that, then a contribution of 0.07 a week, for say six months (probably realistic if they like the song), makes a 'sale' of 1.82, at which point even if their streams start to drop off in favour of newer hits they will still surely stream it from time to time thereafter, and probably easily reach or surpass the instant two sales of the sales era eventually. In the sales era however, there was a disincentive to buying two or more copies, in that it cost you more actual money, so whilst some people did buy multiple formats, and sometimes this had an effect on some close battles between #1 and #2, most of the time I imagine most people bought a single copy, and only a few hits might have been noticeably skewed by the effect of multi-formatting.

I'm not sure which way you are arguing here? Either #41 means more in the streaming era, which presumably means it's position in this list is a fiar reflection of that, OR the streaming hits are being inflated in this list compared to the non-streaming ones, in which case the position for it in this list is overly generous, meaning it should be lower. I can just about accept that #41 in the streaming era might be equivelant to perhaps #20-#25 in the old sales era, due to the number of bigger hits staying around longer in this era having the effect of pushing the lesser hits down somewhat, but I can't accept that it can have the effect of making such a low chart position in this era equate to some of the top 3 hits from the sales era

But they typically trickle from the same small group of people playing them week in week out, which, if anything means they are really rather smaller hits than one that sold a copy each to a much bigger group of people back in the day, even if the latter only charted for a few weeks at the time.

Just played it on youtube and to be fair maybe I heard it once or twice at the time, but I wouldn't say it was that good or that big a hit, and certainly not as big as some of the much more well known stuff on the list.

I'm not sure if I've heard ANY of there songs. Maybe I have, and I just didn't know it was by them, but nothing stands out from the song titles.

With respect you might be missing the point a little bit. No one is saying completely ignore streaming hits, but it is clear from this chart that the exchange rate used to convert streams into sales is disproportionate, and makes the streaming hits seem bigger than they actually were. One of the streaming 'hits' in this chart didn't even reach the Top 40 for flips sake, how can it possibly be a bigger hit than the various popular charttoppers and other top 3 hits below it on this list?

Apart from a couple of minor hits when they reformed in 2005, everything else would have been released before the 1994 start point of the period this chart covers, and it's unlikely there were many copies of those older hits still knocking around on shop shelves by 1994. Downloads maybe added a few sales when they became available, but I doubt streams have added anything much to them. Also most of their hits were SAW produced, and Pete Waterman tended in the past not to make much of his past work available on downloading and streaming, so that may have also restricted their tracks' potential to gain these. So all in all it wouldn't be likely that any of there singles would be anywhere close to the level needed for this top 100

Its since 1994, rather than 'all time', but yeah you're overiding point definitely still stands given the high sales climate of the first 7-ish years of the period, and how well remembered hits from those years are compared to pretty much anything in the list from the streaming era (an era in which even a track that missed the Top 40 apparently performed well enough to make this Top 100!).

There is one Supremes hit in there! Also you have to remember that the list only counts sales, downloads and streams since 1994, when the OCC (as C.I.N) started measuring them, it doesn't include anything prior to this, and the majority of The Supremes sales are way before 1994.

Agreed. It would seem that the methodology used disproportionately favours tracks from the streaming era. Taking a look at those on the list which peaked outside the top 10 the majority were either from the streaming era, or would have gained at least some level of streams once they got added in, the only real exception I can see is I Hate This Part which only hit #12, but that is right at the bottom of this list anyway. I mean one of the streaming era hits on this list didn't even hit the top 40, and yet it supposedly outperforms a fairly well known Suagbabes number one, a Spice Girls charttopper (albeit arguably there most forgettable one) and what was at the time a pretty huge number one by Shakespears Sister (though I was shocked the other week when I found out my friends, aged 30 and 33, had never heard of the song!!).

If you want to see the lost few minutes cut off by the bungling Beeb, it's all up on the Swedish broadcaster SVT's player. https://www.svtplay.se/video/21925806/eurov...-1-14-maj-21-00

Yeah that's right. I think though that for the purposes of this thread/list we've only counted the show actually occupying the regular chart show slot when there's been 2 or more Chart of the year slots, as that's the one where usually the regular chart show host tends to also run down the top end of that week's regular chart (as Scott did on Friday). But it's Sm1ffj's thread and list, so he might choose to include both. I do however need to correct the 1 to a 2 on the above post, to get the part right, and add Jordan's name for the first 2019 show, which I intended to do (hence the exclaimer next to it) and somehow didn't.

And updating the chart of presenters appearances to Friday 28th December 2018: 1. Mark Goodier 470 1988-2002 2. Bruno Brookes 358 1986-1990 & 1992-1995 3. Tom Browne 278 1972-1978 4. Alan Freeman 258 1967-1972 5. Reggie Yates 237 2007-2012 6. Simon Bates 130 1976-1977, 1982-1985, 1987 & 1992 7. Tony Blackburn 123 1979-1982 8. Joel 122 (121 with JK, 1 solo) 2005-2007 9. JK 121 (121 with Joel) 2005-2007 10. Greg James 114 2010-2012, 2015-2018 ^11 Scott Mills (1 with Nemone, 1 with Edith Bowman, 107 solo) 109 1999-2018+ !12. Tommy Vance 103 1982-1987 & 1991-1992 !13. Wes Butters 102 2003-2005 !14. Jameela Jamil (1 with Clara Amfo) 97 2013-2015 15. Fearne Cotton (75 with Reggie Yates, 3 solo) 78 2007-2009 16 Richard Skinner 71 1984-1986 17 Dev 28 2009-2010, 2015-2018+ 18. Clara Amfo (1 with Jameela Jamil) 18 2015 19.= Mista Jam 16 2017-2018+ 19.= Clive Warren 12 1995-1998 21.= Andy Peebles 4 1979 & 1983 ^21= Jordan North 4 2017-2018+ !23=. Pete Murray 2 1968 !23=. Neale James 2 1994 !23=. Dave Pearce 2 1995 !23=. Jo Wiley 2 2002 & 2005 !23=. Nemone 2 (1 with Scott Mills, 1 solo) 2002 & 2005 28=. (14 other DJs with one guest presenting appearance) So during 2019 Scott could smash his way into and up the top10.

I thought I'd update this to the end of 2018 Friday 20th April 2018 Dev Friday 27th April 2018 Mistajam Friday 4th May 2018 Mistajam Friday 11th May 2018 Mistajam Friday 18th May 2018 Mistajam Friday 25th May 2018 Greg James Friday 1st June 2018 Greg James Friday 8th June 2018 Greg James Friday 15th June 2018 Scott Mills Friday 22nd June 2018 Scott Mills Friday 29th June 2018 Scott Mills Friday 6th July 2018 Scott Mills Friday 13th July 2018 Scott Mills Friday 20th July 2018 Scott Mills Friday 27th July 2018 Scott Mills Friday 3rd August 2018 Scott Mills Friday 10th August 2018 Scott Mills Friday 17th August 2018 Jordan North Friday 24th August 2018 Scott Mills Friday 31st August 2018 Scott Mills Friday 7th September 2018 Scott Mills Friday 14th September 2018 Scott Mills Friday 21st September 2018 Scott Mills Friday 28th September 2018 Scott Mills Friday 5th October 2018 Scott Mills Friday 12th October 2018 Scott Mills Friday 19th October 2018 Scott Mills Friday 26th October 2018 Scott Mills Friday 2nd November 2018 Scott Mills Friday 9th November 2018 Scott Mills Friday 16th November 2018 Scott Mills Friday 23rd November 2018 Scott Mills Friday 30th November 2018 Jordan North Friday 7th December 2018 Scott Mills Friday 14th December 2018 Scott Mills Friday 21st December 2018 Scott Mills Friday 28th December 2018 Scott Mills (Chart Of The Year Pt 2) Friday 4th January 2019 Jordan North [Planned presenter at the time of posting this]

Agree that Thank U Next was something of a snoozefest. I think the fact it stuck around so long at the top, whilst not being as good most of Ariana's music, was a big factor in people wanting something different to be Xmas Number One rather than just shoeing her in for week 7, and was part of what led to We Built This City getting to the top, which at least added one great song to the list.

But a lot of people literally can't remember it a few minutes after listening to it? Can't see it being remembered all that well in the long run, except perhaps its title and the fact it spent 9 weeks at the top, but not the actual song itself. I'd put the three Drake tracks and Funky Friday as the least memorable number ones of the year personally (though In My Feelings is probably slightly more memorable than the other 3). I voted for Nice For What in the end, but it was close with Funky Friday.

Just catching up on this thread. If they were only playing those Xmas number twos that never made number one then the list of songs available to them was: 1954 David Whitfield - Santo Natale 1956 Frankie Vaughan - Green Door 1964 Petula Clark - Downtown 1965 Cliff Richard - Wind Me Up (Let Me Go) 1966 Donovan - Sunshine Superman 1967 The Beatles - Magical Mystery Tour (EP) 1968 The Foundations - Build Me Up Buttercup 1969 Kenny Rogers and New Edition - Ruby, Don't Take Your Love To Town 1970 McGuinness Flint - When I'm Dead And Gone 1971 T.Rex - Jeepster 1974 Bachman-Turner Overdrive - You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet 1975 Greg Lake - I Believe In Father Christmas 1977 The Brighouse And Rastrick Brass Band - The Floral Dance 1979 Abba - I Have A Dream 1981 Cliff Richard - Daddy's Home 1982 Shakin' Stevens - The Shakin' Stevens EP 1983 Slade - My Oh My 1984 Wham! - Last Christmas/Everything She Wants 1987 The Pogues ft Kirsty MacColl - Fairytale Of New York 1991 Diana Ross - When You Tell Me That You Love Me 1992 Michael Jackson - Heal The World 1994 Mariah Carey - All I Want Christmas 1995 Mike Flowers' Pops - Wonderwall 2000 Westlife - What Makes A Man 2001 Gordon Haskell - How Wonderful You Are 2002 One True Voice - Sacred Trust/After You're Gone (I'll Still Be Loving You) 2003 The Darkness - Christmas Time (Don't Let The Bells End) 2004 Ronan Keating ft Yusuf - Father And Son 2008 Jeff Buckley - Hallelujah 2016 Rag N Bone Man - Human 2018 Ava Max - Sweet But Psycho Obviously one of those could remove themselves from the list in a few hours..... [Edited, as I got my ones and twos the wrong way around lol]

Singles (Download) Lad Baby - We Built This City Mariah Carey - All I Want For Christmas [To do my bit to relevel the unlevel playing this year] Singles (Youtube streaming) Lad Baby (2 views so far, possibly more to come)

Yeah it just seems boring when it's a normal song that has been at the top for 6 previous weeks (as it is likely to be this year). I think the combination of X Factor and declining physical sales in the noughties was already bringing to an end the idea of a Xmas chart battle, though in hindsight I do acknowledge that much as I loathed it and campaigned against it, the X Factor contender at least meant there was something to campaign against. Nowadays there isn't that impetus, since even Mr C knows that X Factor stands non chance, hence the earliest release ever this year. I still keep my fingers crossed that Mariah (or Wham! or Pogues) can somehow reach the Xmas summit this year. Looking at sales today Ariane's figures for number one have dropped quite a bit now, leaving a fairly low 'sales' climate for a would be contender to compete in, so it's entirely possible that something with a slight extra push behind it could take advantage and sneak to the top, whether an old Xmas classic, or something else.

With Mariah already at #6 today, despite the unfair streaming ratio imbalance, and her streams and sale sure to increase over the next two weeks, I wouldn't be surprised if she manages it, or perhaps one of the other old xmas songs (Wham or Pogues perhaps?).

I've just seen the live 1 hour show for the 60th birthday (had to get up early specially, being a nightshifter lol). First off I was quite relieved that they apparently gave over two studios to the show to fit everything , and everyone, in, as I had thought they'd try to squash all the past presenters into their usual tiny set space on the 3rd or 4th floor (whichever it is). It was great to see all the past presenters return, well nearly all of them. Over on digitalspy someone asked who was missing, but as my repeated attempts to subscribe to the forums there keep failing I'm going to answer that here, in the hope that somebody uses both forums and can relay my answer: Firstly Christopher Trace, Michael Sundin, Caron Keating and John Noakes are sadly no longer with us (and I have to admit to feeling a little emotional seeing Val and Pete sat there without John to complete the big three, despite them being well before 'my' era of the show). They specifically addressed the absence of two other presenters, Mark Curry (a little bit under the weather apparently, though he was on the one show the day before and looked ok then) and Matt Baker (who sent a video explaining that he wasn't there as he has to do the one show later (so apparently having an hour to get from the Blue Peter studios to the One Show studio in the same building wasn't enough, or else the One Show has an exclusivity contract on him these days?). Gethin Jones also seem to have been absent, though this wasn't addressed. But assuming the picture on digitalspy shows every presenter that was there (i.e. none had nipped out at the time the photo was taken), then there was also an enitre presenting team apparently missing, as Simon Groom, Christopher Wenner and Tina Heath were not there. I don't think any of three have missed reunion episodes of this nature before (20th, 35th, 40th), so it did surprise me, since Simon was such a long serving presenter, Christopher has always been very enthusiastic about returning for reunions (I believe I've read somewhere), and I believe Tina's husband still arranges music for the show to this day. The whole line-up being absent does make me wonder if the current editor is of the right age to have been watching at the time Pete, John and Lesley left in quick succession and were replaced by Simon, Christopher and Tina (with Chris and Tina themselves then leaving fairly soon after) and at the time viewed the new team as poor replacements for Val, John and Pete (as lots of viewers did at the time), and whether some of that subconciously affected the invitation decisions? As for those who were there, that was all 27 of the others. I was especially pleased to see Richard welcomed back into the Blue Peter family, and actually given a line on the live show to boot, though I suspect Stuart (who I only realised afterwards was even there) might have wondered why he wasn't the one stood beside Katy and Konnie helping with the competition reveal. I also love that Katy Hill had just one line to get right... and fluffed it good and proper! Oh yeah, and during the make item, where pairs of presenters took in turns to be given random items to attach to the mystery make, I do wonder why Tim decide to affix his two pink rounded pieces to the dog-like creation that had thus far been made in such a manner that they appeared to be a pair of breasts (or is my 35 year old mind no longer able to just accept an innocent interpretation lol). Someone on digitalspy was asking if Romana was there, and I'm pretty sure she is the one peering over Val's shoulder in the photo. I know some where wondering about Simon Thomas too, given his being tragically widowed not so long ago, but he was not only there, he actually helped present one section of the show (and did very well too). Whilst I'm writing did anyone see the press release that went round the media a few weeks ago that every single episode that survives (I estimate about 4600 of the 5026 or so shows) has been digitised, and we will soon be able to find and share our own particular favourite moments from the show. Wonder if that will be whole episodes or just selected clips though. Making about 4600 full episodes available online would be a huge technical challenge, and, I assume, a licensing nightmare, given all the different shows, films, music and other intellectual properties that have featured in the show over the years. But if they do make all the old shows fully available then what era, and what particular moments, might you want to look for and share?

I think all the question marks are probably Greg James tbh. Those are all the weeks where the bbc's description doesn't reference the presenter AND where a unique photo is not used, so that a default chart show photo is used (which is currently a picture of Greg, but this is true for all chart shows that use a default chart show photo going back many years before Greg ever did the chart show). The only exception might be if Greg missed the show at short notice, when the iplayer description and generic chart show photo had already been put in place on the iplayer page for that show.

And updating the chart of chart show presenters up to Friday 13th April 2018 (but subject to change if any of the question marks above are wrong) 1. Mark Goodier 470 1988-2002 2. Bruno Brookes 358 1986-1990 & 1992-1995 3. Tom Browne 278 1972-1978 4. Alan Freeman 258 1967-1972 5. Reggie Yates 237 2007-2012 6. Simon Bates 130 1976-1977, 1982-1985, 1987 & 1992 7. Tony Blackburn 123 1979-1982 8. Joel 122 (121 with JK, 1 solo) 2005-2007 9. JK 121 (121 with Joel) 2005-2007 ^10. Greg James 111 2010-2012, 2015-2018+ !11. Tommy Vance 103 1982-1987 & 1991-1992 !12. Wes Butters 102 2003-2005 !13. Jameela Jamil (1 with Clara Amfa) 97 2013-2015 14. Scott Mills (1 with Nemone, 1 with Edith Bowman, 80 solo) 82 1999-2018+ !15. Fearne Cotton (75 with Reggie Yates, 3 solo) 78 2007-2009 16 Richard Skinner 71 1984-1986 ^17 Dev 27 2009-2010, 2015-2018+ 18. Clara Amfo (1 with Jameela Jamil) 18 2015 *19.= Mista Jam 12 2017-2018+ !19.= Clive Warren 12 1995-1998 !21. Andy Peebles 4 1979 & 1983 !22=. Pete Murray 2 1968 !22=. Neale James 2 1994 !22=. Dave Pearce 2 1995 !22=. Jo Wiley 2 2002 & 2005 !22=. Nemone 2 (1 with Scott Mills, 1 solo) 2002 & 2005 *22=. Jordan North 2 2017-2018+ !28=. (14 other DJs with one guest presenting appearance)