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Just had a look at it. Some of them aren't that old really, more of a nudge back than a throwback. I wonder which tracks will make it into our retro chart tomorrow?

Here's the latest chart. I've worked backwards across most of June now, and so far this is one of the shortest charts. Throwback Thursday should throw a few more retro hits back into the charts for us tomorrow... Wednesday 3rd July 2019 1. ~ The Killers – Mr Brightside – 131215 – 46th 2. ~ Oasis – Wonderwall – 69938 – 108th 3. ^ Queen – Bohemian Rhapsody – 62838 – 134th 4. ^ Oasis – Don’t Look Back In Anger – 59572 – 145th 5. ~ Queen – Don’t Stop Me Now – 59208 – 147th 6. ^ The Kooks – Naïve – 58967 – 148th 7. ! Elton John – Rocket Man (I Think It’s Going To Be A Long, Long Time) – 58665 – 154th 8. ! Toto – Africa – 56399 – 165th 9. ^ Toploader – Dancing In The Moonlight – 54923 – 170th 10. ^ Fleetwood Mac – Everywhere – 52352 – 188th 11. ^ Electric Light Orchestra – Mr Blue Sky – 52162 – 189th 12. ! Journey – Don’t Stop Believin’ – 51985 – 191st 13. ! Fleetwood Mac – Go Your Own Way – 51284 – 194th

Hi all, I started compiling this recently, and wondered if this was something that could be of interest here. Basically I check the Spotify daily chart for Great Britain for each day, and then pick out only those tracks that are at least 10 years old (I generally refer to the date of its chart debut to decide a track's age, but for non-singles or those older tracks that didn't chart at the time but became classics later I sometimes use other criteria to avoid any nonsensical inclusions/exclusions). If people are interested in this then I can endeavour to maintain this on here every day, with a double on Fridays to also include a retro chart derived from the OCC's weekly official chart. I can stop including exact numbers of streams if the mods wish, but have included them for this post to show what I am compiling at the moment. I would also like to back calculate the retro charts for every day in the past that had a Spotify daily chart, but they're only available on the spotifycharts website from 1st Jan 2017 onwards, so that be the practical limit for how far back I can go, unless I can find older spotify charts elsewhere. Here's what the charts would look like for the last few days, obviously they will vary in length from day to day. And note that the number one on these days, Mt Brightside, is on course to enter the top 50 of the OCC Official chart again this week, for its 51st Top 100 stint and its 209th Top 100 week, that's a combined total of 4 years in the top 100! Tuesday 2nd July 2019 1. ~ The Killers – Mr Brightside – 134181 – 41st 2. ~ Oasis – Wonderwall – 69131 – 110th 3. ^ Elton John – Rocket Man (I Think It’s Going To Be A Long, Long Time) – 62136 – 136th 4. ^ Queen – Bohemian Rhapsody – 61431 – 139th 5. ^ Queen – Don’t Stop Me Now – 59160 – 146th 6. ^ Oasis – Don’t Look Back In Anger – 57736 – 156th 7. ^ Toto – Africa – 56192 – 162nd 8. ! The Kooks – Naïve – 56033 – 163rd 9. ^ Fleetwood Mac – Go Your Own Way – 53674 – 173rd 10. ~ Toploader – Dancing In The Moonlight – 52939 – 177th 11. ^ Journey – Don’t Stop Believin’ – 52625 – 179th 12. ^ Fleetwood Mac – Everywhere – 52285 – 183rd 13. ^ Electric Light Orchestra – Mr Blue Sky – 51518 – 186th 14. * Elton John – Tiny Dancer – 50496 – 191st 15. ! The Killers – Human – 50247 – 194th Monday 1st July 2019 1. ~ The Killers – Mr Brightside – 141490 – 36th 2. ~ Oasis – Wonderwall – 68953 – 112th 3. ~ The Killers – Human – 62125 – 131st 4. ^ Elton John – Rocket Man (I Think It’s Going To Be A Long, Long Time) – 61353 – 135th 5. ! Queen – Bohemian Rhapsody – 61296 – 136th 6. ! Queen – Don’t Stop Me Now – 60227 – 140th 7. ^ The Kooks – Naïve – 57391 – 157th 8. ~ Oasis – Don’t Look Back In Anger – 56902 – 159th 9. ! Toto – Africa – 55604 – 167th 10. ^ Toploader – Dancing In The Moonlight – 54977 – 169th 11. * The Cure – Friday I’m In Love – 53970 – 173rd 12. ~ Journey – Don’t Stop Believin’ – 53434 – 177th 13. ! Fleetwood Mac – Go Your Own Way – 52477 – 181st 14. ! The Killers – Somebody Told Me – 52075 – 186th 15. ! Fleetwood Mac – Everywhere – 51348 – 189th 16. ! Electric Light Orchestra – Mr Blue Sky – 51332 – 190th 17. ! Bryan Adams – Summer Of ’69 – 50137 – 199th Sunday 30th June 2019 1. The Killers – Mr Brightside – 146378 – 28th 2. Oasis – Wonderwall – 71978 – 92nd 3. The Killers – Human – 69437 – 97th 4. Queen – Bohemian Rhapsody – 67987 – 101st 5. Queen – Don’t Stop Me Now – 64321 – 113th 6. Elton John – Rocket Man (I Think It’s Going To Be A Long, Long Time) – 64012 – 115th 7. Toto – Africa – 59926 – 124th 8. Oasis – Don’t Look Back In Anger – 58197 – 135th 9. The Killers – Somebody Told Me – 55605 – 146th 10. Electric Light Orchestra – Mr Blue Sky – 55330 – 148th 11. Fleetwood Mac – Go Your Own Way – 55027 – 149th 12. Journey – Don’t Stop Believin – 54667 – 150th 13. Fleetwood Mac – Everywhere – 54100 – 153rd 14. The Beatles – Here Comes The Sun – 53541 – 158th 15. The Kooks – Naïve – 53262 – 159th 16. Bryan Adams – Summer Of ’69 – 51832 – 166th 17. Elton John – Tiny Dancer – 51411 – 169th 18. Toploader – Dancing In The Moonlight – 50170 – 177th 19. Earth, Wind & Fire – September – 49155 – 184th 20. The Jackson 5 – I Want You Back – 48651 – 189th 21. Marvin Gaye and Tammi Terrell – Ain’t No Mountain High Enough – 48121 – 191st 22. Whitney Houston – I Wanna Dance With Somebody (Who Loves Me) – 47410 – 200th

It depends what you mean by 'another' top 40, I guess, but there is at least a chance that Mr Brightside will pop back into the lower reaches of the Top 40 on Friday, if it keeps it streams up in the 130k or so a day level today and tomorrow, as it has so far this week, so they could have 'another' one this very week.

There's no denying it was a huge hit though, and that most people knew of it and could sing sing you a few bars. There's also no doubt that even today, nearly 23 years on, many people still love it.

No I think the 2016 hits are added on at whatever ratio was current then, and so on for each year, as the OCC maintains a continually updated sales total for each hit as each week's chart is added to all the lifetimes. I don't think the OCC has taken the time/effort and gone back and recalculated streams from past years for a ton of releases with a revised ratio (but am happy to be proved wrong, if this is the case).

I stream music myself, so know how it work in principle. It depends what you mean by 'to be successful', if you mean chart position in the short term then sure you need a lot of people streaming in the weeks it's high up the charts (since there is a 10 plays per day per streamer cap), but some of these streaming hits never reached top 20 even (one missed the top 40), so aren't necessarily being streamed by such high numbers of people in the short term. The total lifetime sales however continues to count repeat plays from whoever was playing it originally, and over time that can easily become equivelant to two or three or more sales onto the lifetime total. Maybe though you also argue that many of the people who were force in the sales era to buy one whole copy would have stopped streaming it sooner in the streaming era and not contributed that much. I'm not sure what the answer is, but I know despite what this list appears to suggest that songs like Sugababes Round Round and Girls Aloud Love Machine are notably bigger and much more well known hits than Oops by Little Mix (which I'd never heard of (though having played it on youtube I do like it), which never reached the top 40, and which was never an officially released track in the first place, just an album track (though I acknowledge that the lines have become very blurred now in the streaming era).

The two purchases together is instantly more in that one week, but this sales list potentially takes into account a contribution of up to 0.7 sales every week until you get sick of playing the song. I realise most people aren't going to play a track 100 times a week, but even if they are only say doing a tenth of that, then a contribution of 0.07 a week, for say six months (probably realistic if they like the song), makes a 'sale' of 1.82, at which point even if their streams start to drop off in favour of newer hits they will still surely stream it from time to time thereafter, and probably easily reach or surpass the instant two sales of the sales era eventually. In the sales era however, there was a disincentive to buying two or more copies, in that it cost you more actual money, so whilst some people did buy multiple formats, and sometimes this had an effect on some close battles between #1 and #2, most of the time I imagine most people bought a single copy, and only a few hits might have been noticeably skewed by the effect of multi-formatting.

I'm not sure which way you are arguing here? Either #41 means more in the streaming era, which presumably means it's position in this list is a fiar reflection of that, OR the streaming hits are being inflated in this list compared to the non-streaming ones, in which case the position for it in this list is overly generous, meaning it should be lower. I can just about accept that #41 in the streaming era might be equivelant to perhaps #20-#25 in the old sales era, due to the number of bigger hits staying around longer in this era having the effect of pushing the lesser hits down somewhat, but I can't accept that it can have the effect of making such a low chart position in this era equate to some of the top 3 hits from the sales era

But they typically trickle from the same small group of people playing them week in week out, which, if anything means they are really rather smaller hits than one that sold a copy each to a much bigger group of people back in the day, even if the latter only charted for a few weeks at the time.

Just played it on youtube and to be fair maybe I heard it once or twice at the time, but I wouldn't say it was that good or that big a hit, and certainly not as big as some of the much more well known stuff on the list.

I'm not sure if I've heard ANY of there songs. Maybe I have, and I just didn't know it was by them, but nothing stands out from the song titles.

With respect you might be missing the point a little bit. No one is saying completely ignore streaming hits, but it is clear from this chart that the exchange rate used to convert streams into sales is disproportionate, and makes the streaming hits seem bigger than they actually were. One of the streaming 'hits' in this chart didn't even reach the Top 40 for flips sake, how can it possibly be a bigger hit than the various popular charttoppers and other top 3 hits below it on this list?

Apart from a couple of minor hits when they reformed in 2005, everything else would have been released before the 1994 start point of the period this chart covers, and it's unlikely there were many copies of those older hits still knocking around on shop shelves by 1994. Downloads maybe added a few sales when they became available, but I doubt streams have added anything much to them. Also most of their hits were SAW produced, and Pete Waterman tended in the past not to make much of his past work available on downloading and streaming, so that may have also restricted their tracks' potential to gain these. So all in all it wouldn't be likely that any of there singles would be anywhere close to the level needed for this top 100

Its since 1994, rather than 'all time', but yeah you're overiding point definitely still stands given the high sales climate of the first 7-ish years of the period, and how well remembered hits from those years are compared to pretty much anything in the list from the streaming era (an era in which even a track that missed the Top 40 apparently performed well enough to make this Top 100!).

There is one Supremes hit in there! Also you have to remember that the list only counts sales, downloads and streams since 1994, when the OCC (as C.I.N) started measuring them, it doesn't include anything prior to this, and the majority of The Supremes sales are way before 1994.

Agreed. It would seem that the methodology used disproportionately favours tracks from the streaming era. Taking a look at those on the list which peaked outside the top 10 the majority were either from the streaming era, or would have gained at least some level of streams once they got added in, the only real exception I can see is I Hate This Part which only hit #12, but that is right at the bottom of this list anyway. I mean one of the streaming era hits on this list didn't even hit the top 40, and yet it supposedly outperforms a fairly well known Suagbabes number one, a Spice Girls charttopper (albeit arguably there most forgettable one) and what was at the time a pretty huge number one by Shakespears Sister (though I was shocked the other week when I found out my friends, aged 30 and 33, had never heard of the song!!).

If you want to see the lost few minutes cut off by the bungling Beeb, it's all up on the Swedish broadcaster SVT's player. https://www.svtplay.se/video/21925806/eurov...-1-14-maj-21-00

Yeah that's right. I think though that for the purposes of this thread/list we've only counted the show actually occupying the regular chart show slot when there's been 2 or more Chart of the year slots, as that's the one where usually the regular chart show host tends to also run down the top end of that week's regular chart (as Scott did on Friday). But it's Sm1ffj's thread and list, so he might choose to include both. I do however need to correct the 1 to a 2 on the above post, to get the part right, and add Jordan's name for the first 2019 show, which I intended to do (hence the exclaimer next to it) and somehow didn't.

And updating the chart of presenters appearances to Friday 28th December 2018: 1. Mark Goodier 470 1988-2002 2. Bruno Brookes 358 1986-1990 & 1992-1995 3. Tom Browne 278 1972-1978 4. Alan Freeman 258 1967-1972 5. Reggie Yates 237 2007-2012 6. Simon Bates 130 1976-1977, 1982-1985, 1987 & 1992 7. Tony Blackburn 123 1979-1982 8. Joel 122 (121 with JK, 1 solo) 2005-2007 9. JK 121 (121 with Joel) 2005-2007 10. Greg James 114 2010-2012, 2015-2018 ^11 Scott Mills (1 with Nemone, 1 with Edith Bowman, 107 solo) 109 1999-2018+ !12. Tommy Vance 103 1982-1987 & 1991-1992 !13. Wes Butters 102 2003-2005 !14. Jameela Jamil (1 with Clara Amfo) 97 2013-2015 15. Fearne Cotton (75 with Reggie Yates, 3 solo) 78 2007-2009 16 Richard Skinner 71 1984-1986 17 Dev 28 2009-2010, 2015-2018+ 18. Clara Amfo (1 with Jameela Jamil) 18 2015 19.= Mista Jam 16 2017-2018+ 19.= Clive Warren 12 1995-1998 21.= Andy Peebles 4 1979 & 1983 ^21= Jordan North 4 2017-2018+ !23=. Pete Murray 2 1968 !23=. Neale James 2 1994 !23=. Dave Pearce 2 1995 !23=. Jo Wiley 2 2002 & 2005 !23=. Nemone 2 (1 with Scott Mills, 1 solo) 2002 & 2005 28=. (14 other DJs with one guest presenting appearance) So during 2019 Scott could smash his way into and up the top10.

I thought I'd update this to the end of 2018 Friday 20th April 2018 Dev Friday 27th April 2018 Mistajam Friday 4th May 2018 Mistajam Friday 11th May 2018 Mistajam Friday 18th May 2018 Mistajam Friday 25th May 2018 Greg James Friday 1st June 2018 Greg James Friday 8th June 2018 Greg James Friday 15th June 2018 Scott Mills Friday 22nd June 2018 Scott Mills Friday 29th June 2018 Scott Mills Friday 6th July 2018 Scott Mills Friday 13th July 2018 Scott Mills Friday 20th July 2018 Scott Mills Friday 27th July 2018 Scott Mills Friday 3rd August 2018 Scott Mills Friday 10th August 2018 Scott Mills Friday 17th August 2018 Jordan North Friday 24th August 2018 Scott Mills Friday 31st August 2018 Scott Mills Friday 7th September 2018 Scott Mills Friday 14th September 2018 Scott Mills Friday 21st September 2018 Scott Mills Friday 28th September 2018 Scott Mills Friday 5th October 2018 Scott Mills Friday 12th October 2018 Scott Mills Friday 19th October 2018 Scott Mills Friday 26th October 2018 Scott Mills Friday 2nd November 2018 Scott Mills Friday 9th November 2018 Scott Mills Friday 16th November 2018 Scott Mills Friday 23rd November 2018 Scott Mills Friday 30th November 2018 Jordan North Friday 7th December 2018 Scott Mills Friday 14th December 2018 Scott Mills Friday 21st December 2018 Scott Mills Friday 28th December 2018 Scott Mills (Chart Of The Year Pt 2) Friday 4th January 2019 Jordan North [Planned presenter at the time of posting this]

Agree that Thank U Next was something of a snoozefest. I think the fact it stuck around so long at the top, whilst not being as good most of Ariana's music, was a big factor in people wanting something different to be Xmas Number One rather than just shoeing her in for week 7, and was part of what led to We Built This City getting to the top, which at least added one great song to the list.

But a lot of people literally can't remember it a few minutes after listening to it? Can't see it being remembered all that well in the long run, except perhaps its title and the fact it spent 9 weeks at the top, but not the actual song itself. I'd put the three Drake tracks and Funky Friday as the least memorable number ones of the year personally (though In My Feelings is probably slightly more memorable than the other 3). I voted for Nice For What in the end, but it was close with Funky Friday.

That's strange then. I checked out the daily spotify charts, as an indicator of streaming, and Ariana was ahead of Ava all week. I know the difference was about 4k between Mariah and Ariana on the Thursday midweek, with another 4.3k between Ariana and Ava, and Ava demonstrably didn't make up the 8.3k or more via streaming, so I assume Ava must have had an uplift on itunes on Thursday then.

So do the midweeks not take ACR into account?