DanChartFan

Not possible as Wet Wet Wet wasn't even released in April 1994. The 'week' in their database that appears to cover 24th April to 28th May is presumably the chart for w/e 28th May, and the previous 4 weeks are presumably not in the OCC database. Those four weeks in the UK were topped by Prince (his 2nd topping week), Toni Di Bart, Stiltskin and Man U. We know that Toni di Bart had already taken Prince's first week so I would predict he also took his second one. We also know that Wet Wet Wet had taken Man U's second week, and I don't suppose Man U have such a big following in Scotland, so I would predict that Man U also didn't get their first week in the Scottish chart, but as Wet Wet Wet had only just entered the UK chart during Man U's first topping week, and only at 4, I would guess that Stiltskin was probably still at number one for a second week in Scotland. On the off chance Stiltskin weren't so popular in Scotland then Toni di Bart may have even taken all 4 weeks. But all that would be guessing, so I would probably just indicate on the list that those weeks are as yet unknown.

Here is the period from September 2005 to December 2007 (there is a gap from May to September as the archive is missing them on the OCC site. It is evident that downloads had yet to be included in the Scottish charts in this period, as many high profile acts lose their first (and sometimes only) week because of it. The hits that missed the top in Scotland 2005 (Sept+) - Gorillaz - Dare - The Pussycat Dolls - Stickwitu 2006 - Notorious BIG et al - Nasty Girl - Orson - No Tomorrow - Ne-Yo - So Sick - Nelly Furtado - Maneater - Lily Allen - Smile - Beyonce - Deja Vu - Akon and Eminem - Smack That 2007 - Timbaland, Nelly Furtado and Justin Timberlake - Give It To Me - Kanye West - Stronger Scotland only toppers 2005 (Sept+) - - Daniel Powter - Bad Day - Oasis - Let There Be Love 2006 - Dead Or Alive - You Spin Me Round - Embrace - Nature's Law - Various Artists - Tribute To Jinky - Trinidad & Tobago Tartan Army - Scotland Scotland Jason Scotland - Paolo Nutini - Last Request - Paris - Stars Are Blind - The View - Wasted Little DJs - The Arctic Monkeys - Leave Before The Lights Come On 2007 - The View - Same Jeans - Biffy Clyro - Saturday Superhouse - The Arctic Monkeys - Brianstorm - Travis - Closer - The Manic Street Preachers - Your Love Alone Is Not Enough - Biffy Clyro - Living Is A Problem Because Everything - The White Stripes - Icky Thump - Lee Mead - Any Dream Will Do - The Dykeenies - Clean Up Your Eyes - Amy McDonald - Mr Rock & Roll - Shayne Ward - No U Hang Up/If That's OK With You - Runrig ft Tartan Army - Loch Lomond

I haven't kept a note of them in that form unfortunately, I have just been making a note of the differences as I come to them. But I will go back through and do that kind of list afterwards, as I was going to for my own benefit anyway, so that may happen tomorrow or Tuesday, and I will add to your thread at that stage. I notice you have a complete list for 1994, although the Official Charts website has lot of them missing in April-July of that year, so did you have another source for those weeks?

Hermes House Band actually had two stints at number one, taking all of Daniel Bedingfield's UK weeks! On to 2003 to 2005 where the Fast Food Song tops for two weeks in a nation famed for a fondness for fast food, the Cheeky Girls have a second number one, and Scotland completely ignores Usher (who to this point has not had a number one in Scotland at all!) UK toppers that didn't top in Scotland 2003 - Busted - You Said No - Daniel Bedingfield - Never Gonna Leave Your Side 2004 - Sam & Mark - With A Little Help From My Friends - Busted - Who's David - Usher ft Lil' Jon and Ludacris - Yeah! - Usher - Burn - The Shapeshifters - Lola's Theme - 3 Of A Kind - Baby Cakes - Nelly - My Place/Flap Your Wings - Ja Rule ft R Kelly & Ashanti - Wonderful 2005 - Ciara ft Petey Pablo - Goodies Scotland-only toppers 2003 - Electric Six - Danger High Voltage - Oasis - Songbird - Sinead Quinn - I Can't Break Down - DJ Sammy - The Boys Of Summer - David Sneddon - Don't Let Go - The Cheeky Girls - Take Your Shoes Off - S Club - Say Goodbye/Love Ain't Gonna Wait For You - The Fast Food Rockers - The Fast Food Song - Robbie Williams - Something Beautiful - Ultrabeat - Pretty Green Eyes 2004 - Anastacia - Left Outside Alone - Special D - Come With Me - Girls Aloud - The Show - Rachel Stevens - Some Girls - Jojo - Leave (Get Out) 2005 - Elvis Presley - A Fool Such As I I have got to the week ending 30th April 2005, from which point there seemingly is no Scottish chart until Sept 2005.

The lists for 2000 to 2002 are as follow: Non-toppers in Scotland 2000 - Gabrielle - Rise - Chicane ft Bryan Adams - Don't Give Up - Craig David - Fill Me In - Oxide & Neutrino - Bound 4 Da Reload (Casualty) [New at 28 in Scotland the week it was a new 1 in the UK overall!] - Five & Queen - We Will Rock You - Craig David - 7 Days - Melanie C - I Turn To You - Madonna - Music - All Saints - Black Coffee - Eminem - Same Old Brand New You - Destinys Child - Independent Woman 2001 - Jennifer Lopez - Love Don't Cost A Thing - DJ Pied Piper and the MCs - Do You Real Like It? - Roger Sanchez - Another Chance - Robbie Williams - Eternity/Road To Mandalay - So Solid Crew - 21 Seconds - Blue - Too Close 2002 - Aaliyah - More Than A Woman - Liberty X - Just A Little - Blazin' Squad - Crossroads - Daniel Bedingfield - If You're Not The One - Eminem - Lose Yourself Scotland-only toppers 2000 - REM - The Great Beyond - Sash! - Adelante - The Bloodhound Gang - The Bad Touch - Travis - Coming Around - Delerium ft Sarah McLachlan - Silence 2001 - Fragma ft Maria Rubia - Everytime You Need Me - Ronan Keating - Lovin' Each Day - Wheatus - A Little Respect - Ian Van Dahl - Castles In The Sky - Sophie Ellis-Bextor - Take Me Home - Uncle Kracker - Follow Me - Hermes House Band - Country Roads 2002 - DJ Aligator Project - The Whistle Song (Blow My Whistle Bitch) - Ronan Keating ft Lulu - We've Got Tonight - The Cheeky Girls - The Cheeky Song (Touch My Bum) Interestingly Puretones still had their infamous 75 to 2 climb, due to the mess up with the release date, but here get beaten to the top spot by a different record. Also Las Ketchup got to the top spot twice in Scotland. Ronan Keating does considerably better in Scotland than the UK overall. And most interestingly Scotland prefers the Cheeky Girls to Eminem in late 2002 chart!!

I've been looking at the Scottish charts further, and have compiled a list of those UK toppers that missed number one in Scotland, and those Scottish toppers that did not do so in the UK as a whole. These lists so far cover the period w/e 27th February 1994 to w/e 1st January 2000, although there is a large number of weeks missing in April-July 1994, and one or two missing thereafter, including the week in Nov 1999 when Geri had a UK number one, so this list may not be 100% complete and accurate. Songs that missed the top spot in Scotland 1994 - ?Prince ?Stiltskin ?Manchester United FC - Baby D - Let Me Be Your Fantasy 1995 - Livin' Joy - Dreamer - Michael Jackson - You Are Not Alone - Shaggy - Boombastic 1996 - The Prodigy - Firestarter - Mark Morrison - Return Of The Mack - George Michael - Fastlove - Baddiel and Skinner and The Lightning Seeds - Three Lions - Gary Barlow - Forever Love - The Fugees - Ready Or Not - The Chemical Brothers - Setting Sun - Peter Andre - I Feel You 1997 - Tori Amos - Professional Widow (It's Gotta Be Big) - White Town - Your Woman - LLCoolJ - Ain't Nobody - The Chemical Brothers - Block Rockin' Beats - R Kelly - I Believe I Can Fly - Michael Jackson - Blood On The Dancefloor - Gary Barlow - Love Won't Wait 1998 - Usher - You Make Me Wanna - All Saints - Under The Bridge/Lady Marmalade - Baddiel And Skinner And The Lightning Seeds - 3 Lions 98 - Billie - Because We Want To - Another Level - Freak Me - The Manic Street Preachers - If You Tolerate This Your Children Will Be Next - All Saints - Bootie Call - Melanie B and Missy 'Misdemeanour' Elliott - I Want You Back - Spacedust - Gym And Tonic 1999 - Armand Van Helden - You Don't Know Me - Lenny Kravitz - Fly Away - B*Witched - Blame It On The Weatherman - Westlife - Swear It Again - Shanks & Bigfoot - Sweet Like Chocolate - Ricky Martin - Livin' La Vida Loca - Westlife - If I Let You Go - Christina Aguilera - Genie In A Bottle - Westlife - Flying Without Wings Songs that only hit the top spot in Scotland 1994 - MC Sar and The Real McCoy - Another Night - The Stone Roses - Love Spreads 1995 - U2 - Hold Me, Thrill Me, Kiss Me, Kill Me - Oasis - Roll With It - The Rembrandts - I'll Be There For You - N-Trance ft Ricardo Da Force - Stayin' Alive - Meat Loaf - I'd Lie For You (And That's The Truth) - The Beatles - Free As A Bird - Mike Flowers Pops - Wonderwall 1996 - Robert Miles - Children - Mark Snow - The X Files - Robbie Williams - Freedom - The Charlatans - One To Another - Robert Miles ft Maria Nayler - One & One 1997 - QFX - Freedom 2 - Texas - Say What You Want - No Mercy - Where Do You Go - The Charlatans - North Country Boy - DJ Quicksilver - Bellissima - Blur - Song 2 - Robbie Williams - Old Before I Die - 911 - Bodyshakin' - The Seahorses - Love Is The Law - The Cardigans - Lovefool - The Verve - Bitter Sweet Symphony - Sash! ft Rodriguez - Ecuador - Boyzone - Picture Of You - Chumbawumba - Tubthumping 1998 - Madonna - Ray Of Light - Del Amitri - Don't Come Home Too Soon - Dario G - Carnaval De Paris - 911 - More Than A Woman 1999 - DJ Sakin & Friends - Protect Your Mind (For The Love Of A...) - Texas - In Our Lifetime - The Offspring - Why Don't You Get A Job? - Shania Twain - That Don't Impress Me Much - Steps - Loves Got A Hold Of My Heart - Five - If Ya Gettin' Down - Alice Deejay - Better Off Alone - Ann Lee - 2 Times - The Vengaboys - Kiss (When The Sun Don't Shine) I would seem that Scotland's boyband of choice was 911, when the rest of the UK was Westlife mad! Westlife having to wait until their 4th single to get a Scottish number one!

And the 1997 Christmas number 1 was The Teletubbies! I have to say though I've paged through from Feb 1994 (the first Scottish chart) to Dec 1997, and anything that was distributed by Virgin seem far more likely to bomb in Scotland for some reason, even the Spice Girls in this particular xmas week.

Research done up to and including Sunday 22nd February 2015's chart show, and I believe this is how the current chart of chart show presenters looks. Though it's worth remembering that if the shows from the Light Programme era were added in to this list then Alan Freeman would surely be number one pop pickers... not arf! 1. Mark Goodier 470 1988-2002 2. Bruno Brookes 358 1986-1990 & 1992-1995 3. Tom Browne 278 1972-1978 4. Alan Freeman 258 1967-1972 5. Reggie Yates 237 2007-2012 6. Simon Bates 130 1976-1977, 1982-1985, 1987 & 1992 7. Tony Blackburn 123 1979-1982 8. Joel 122 (121 with JK, 1 solo) 2005-2007 9. JK 121 (121 with Joel) 2005-2007 10. Tommy Vance 103 1982-1987 & 1991-1992 11. Wes Butters 102 2003-2005 ^12. Jameela Jamil (1 with Clara Amfa) 97 2013-2015 !13. Fearne Cotton (75 with Reggie Yates, 3 solo) 78 2007-2009 14. Scott Mills 73 (1 with Nemone, 1 with Edith Bowman, 63 solo) 1999-2014 (+?) !15 Richard Skinner 71 1984-1986 16. Clive Warren 12 1995-1998 17. Greg James 6 2010-2012, 2015 18. Clara Amfa (1 with Jameela Jamil) 5 2015+ !19=. Andy Peebles 4 1979 & 1983 19=. Dev 4 2009-2010, 2014 !21=. Pete Murray 2 1968 !21=. Neale James 2 1994 !21=. Dave Pearce 2 1995 !21=. Jo Wiley 2 2002 & 2005 !21=. Nemone 2 (1 with Scott Mills, 1 solo) 2002 & 2005 !26=. (14 other DJs with one guest presenting appearance)

I did that a quite a while ago on page 3 of the thread, but only up to 10th Nov 2013, and not including the Light Programme era. I might do an updated version of this list soon, but the only real difference will probably be Jameela climbing up to no higher than 12th, Scott possibly overtaking Richard Skinner, and a new entry in the lower regions for Clara: 1. Mark Goodier 470 1988-2002 2. Bruno Brookes 358 1986-1990 & 1992-1995 3. Tom Browne 278 1972-1978 4. Alan Freeman 258 1967-1972 5. Reggie Yates 237 2007-2012 6. Simon Bates 130 1976-1977, 1982-1985, 1987 & 1992 7. Tony Blackburn 123 1979-1982 8. Joel 122 (121 with JK, 1 solo) 2005-2007 9. JK 121 (121 with Joel) 2005-2007 10. Tommy Vance 103 1982-1987 & 1991-1992 11. Wes Butters 102 2003-2005 12. Fearne Cotton (75 with Reggie Yates, 3 solo) 78 2007-2009 13. Richard Skinner 71 1984-1986 14. Scott Mills 65 (1 with Nemone, 1 with Edith Bowman, 63 solo) 1999-2013+ 15. Jameela Jamil 42 2013+ 16. Clive Warren 12 1995-1998 17. Greg James 5 2010-2012 18. Andy Peebles 4 1979 & 1983 19=. Pete Murray 2 1968 19=. Neale James 2 1994 19=. Dave Pearce 2 1995 19=. Jo Wiley 2 2002 & 2005 19=. Nemone 2 (1 with Scott Mills, 1 solo) 2002 & 2005 19=. Dev 2 2009-2010 25=. (14 other DJs with one guest presenting appearance)

61/158 which is kinda disappointing considering how interested I've been in the topic, and for how long, although I knew I'd be poorer on the ones in this decade as I lost interest in current music around 2010 and only keep a toe in the water of current music and charts now, whilst still been very interested in the past decades of music and charts. I think I'll try again in a few days time and hope for a better score.

I don't know for sure, but has certain exclusion criteria used in the lower positions at the time been reversed in the ones on the OCC site now? Also did the RR and RM versions ever vary back in the day? If so the OCC may have used the other magazine to what Chartwatch used.

Ah I see what you mean popchartfreak, but at least they have a list of sorts I guess. The mismatched photo in the OCCs video charts that I mentioned earlier in the thread seems not to have been a one off. When Disney's animated classic Hercules was topping the video chart in May 1998 the OCC have illustrated it with a picture of a live action version of the story (not sure exactly which version). And more bizarrely when the period drama Mrs Brown, about Queen Victoria, and starring Dame Judi Dench and Billy Connolly, is shown to have been in the top 3 of the video chart in summer 1998, the OCC have managed to illustrate this movie with a picture of Brendan O'Carroll in drag... one is not feckin' amused!

So like this new feature of the new look site then? http://www.officialcharts.com/chart-news/t...-singles__6907/

There are two versions of Thinking Out Loud in the previous weeks physical chart.

Interesting, I will have to spend a fair bit of my free time looking at the new site in the next few weeks methinks. Found two errors so far, the duplication of Uptown Funk in the current Physical chart being one. And totally randomly I started looking at the Video charts, and a chart topping video from 1994 called 'Police Stop', some sort of real life Police docu series, has bizarrely been illustrated by the OCC with a picture of 'World Police: Team America' which wasn't even released until 2004ish.

I was just about to post about this too. Has anyone else noticed that for the first time the OCC is saying their chart archive goes back to 1952!? As much as I'd like a complete archive, it would imply that the OCC has somehow obtained the copyright, or a licence, for the NME charts that previously NME would not give them.

I have to agree with that for sure.

I assume they are actually limited to 10 plays per track, per album. So if a normal and deluxe version where both available separately on streaming, and if the OCC were then choosing to combine the separately calculated 'chart sales' for each together, then a fan could contribute a maximum of 20x12=240 streams towards it in a week, or 0.24 of a chart sale. So say Union J (or similar with a dedicated sizeable fanbase) have both a regular and deluxe availlable, and that the OCC decides to combine the 'chart sales' of each for the purposes of the album chart, and estimate that they have, say, 100k fans prepared to do this sort of mass streaming, then they could amass 24000 extra Album sales in a week (or 12000 per version of an album) from the addition of streaming.

Hi Taizu, I'm really interested to read about your idea and learn more about your method, as I have done a very similar thing for my own benefit. My method was to start with the first week of the chart and note down the highest placed single that wasn't already on my list. So a new entry at number was always add straight to my list, but if a song stayed there then I moved down to the 2 or 3 or whatever. My method leads to a list of between 51 and 53 hits for all full chart years, which I've always felt to be more fair and consistent than the lists of chart toppers, which gives the impression of 12 hits being had in 1984 and 1992, but 48 in 2000! If I understand your method correctly you strike out everything that has reached 1, is at 1, or will reach 1, and note the highest non-chart topper? This would mean that your method could never be fully implemented for say a chart publication since you would have to keep revising past weeks as things climb to the top and became retroactively ineligible. My chart works on a week-by-week basis without needing to be revised, however my list gives no indication of longevity for any hit, so yours is better for that particular measure. You can see how method pans out for most of the teenies by looking at my webpage here: http://www.spanglefish.com/webbyswonderful...p?pageid=288578 although I have been putting updates on hold for a while now whilst I debate whether to use the pure sales chart or combined main chart in future.

I don't think streaming even comes close to a comparable format to purchases (either virtual or physical), and I don't see how they make any money. I now have a free account on deezer, and almost never see or hear any adverts, so I'm paying nothing to stream dozens of tracks a week, and neither really are the advertisers who supposedly fund the service. I'm not complaining in the short run, if the music industry wants to give me totally free and legal access to the majority of all the recorded music that's ever existed then that's their look out, but in the long run they will end up not having the financial means to contract new artists or retain existing ones etc. IMHO streaming will eventually be pay only and the subscription fees will increase considerably over time to allow a viable income, which in turn will cause people to go back to downloading (legal or illegal) and listening to the radio rather than streaming, so it's definitely not a certainty that streaming will become the main format in the future. To answer the original question, keep million sellers as sales only, and have a separate list for say billion-streamers or something. As far as overall sales tallies are concerned mixing two totally different concepts makes no sense to me and is totally different to when download sales were considered the same as physical sales.

Learned their lesson then... I worked for Sainsburys in the past, and they always always ordered far too many copies of the X Factor single. I left in late 2012 and at that point they still had a small pile of the Leon Jackson one priced at 1p each that they had yet to shift!

I think that core few hundred thousand people is getting eroded away slightly year on year as the show slowly fades from it's former glory, plus the sales of physicals will drop anyway, since the core people will gradually go over to download/streaming if they haven't already. Then there is streaming, which is more likely to benefit a genuinely listenable track (with possibly many listens per user) than it is a winners single (which is most likely bought then played once or twice before being placed on a shelf to gather dust). All things considered I think it is very likely that there will come a time when genuine tracks (non xfactor/charity/campaign) will once again battle for xmas #1, indeed I see Mark Ronson is now ahead of Ben on the itunes chart, but given how late into the week that reversal of fortunes is, and remembering to add in the physicals for Ben (and I'm assuming either no physicals or a modest number of 12"s for Ronson) and I don't think it will happen this year. But maybe, just maybe, in the next few years......

I might as well add the list of chart show producers on here before I go: 1. Denys Jones - produced Alan Freeman (and Pete Murray and Ed Stewart) on Pick of the Pops from the Light Programme era and throughout the Radio1 era, until the end of it's run on 24th Sept 1972, with the exception of three weeks in 1971. 2. Keith Stewart - produced Alan Freeman on Pick of the Pops for the weeks of 15th, 22nd and 29th August 1971. 3. Johnny Beerling - produced Tom Browne (and Brian Matthew) on Solid Gold Sixty, from it's launch on 1st October 1972, until 11th February 1973. 4. Dave Price - produced Tom Browne (and Johnnie Walker) on Solid Gold Sixty/The Top 20 from 18th February 1973 until 29th December 1974. 5. Mike Hawkes - produced Tom Browne on the Top 20 from 5th January until 21st September 1975. 6. Pete Ritzema - produced Tom Browne (and Simon Bates) on the Top 20 from 28th September 1975 until 15th May 1977. 7. Bernie Andrews - produced Tom Browne, Simon Bates, Tony Blackburn and Tommy Vance (and Andy Peebles) on the Top 20/Top 40 from 22nd May 1977 until 19th June 1983. 8. Harry Parker - produced Tommy Vance (and Andy Peeble) on Top 40 from 26th June to 30th October 1983. 9. Don George - produced Tommy Vance and Simon Bates (and Richard Skinner) on Top 40 from 6th November 1983 until 23rd September 1984. 10. Dave Price - produced Richard Skinner (and Simon Bates) on Top 40 from 30th September 1984 until 22nd September 1985. 11. Paul Williams - produced Richard Skinner and Bruno Brookes on Top 40 from 29th September 1985 until 27th April 1986, except the edition on 29th December 1985. 12. Louise Musgrave - produced Richard Skinner on Top 40 for one edition on 29th December 1985, which was a chart of the year, owing to there being no new weekly chart from the compilers that week. (NB I have only researched the Chart of the Year shows that actually were a regular Sunday chart show using an annual chart to fill in for the seasonal lack of a weekly chart, so there may be other Charts of the year on other weekdays in other years to Louise's name). 13. Martin Cox - produced Bruno Brookes (and Tommy Vance) on Top 40 from 4th May 1986 until 29th March 1987. 14. Paul Williams - produced Bruno Brookes (and Simon Bates and Gary Davies) on Top 40 from 5th April to 27th September 1987. His name was subsequently listed as a one-off on the Chartbusters segment on 10th April 1988, but not on the Top 40 proper. 15. Chris Lycett - produced Bruno Brookes (and Mark Goodier) on Top 40 from 4th October 1987 until 25th September 1988. 16. Roger Pusey - produced Bruno Brookes on Top 40 from 2nd October 1988 until 26th March 1989, except the 25th/26th December 1988 weekend. 17. Jo Anne Nadler - produced Mark Goodier on UK Top 40 on Monday 26th December 1988 (the only non Sunday show I have included, since it was a regular weekly chart that was delayed by a day), she then went on to produce Bruno Brookes and Mark Goodier (and Tommy Vance) on Top 40/The Complete UK Top 40 from 2nd April 1989 until 24th March 1991. 18. Christine Boar - produced Mark Goodier and Bruno Brookes (and Tommy Vance) on The Complete UK Top 40 from 31st March 1991 until either 20th or 27th September 1992 (the latter has no producer credit in RT). 19. Simon Sadler - produced Bruno Brookes (and Mark Goodier) on The Complete UK Top 40 from either 27th September or 4th October 1992 until at least 30th May 1993, at which point RT no longer lists a producer credit for the show.

Finally for the period covering January - March 2005, the changeover from Wes to JK and Joel, RT does have what we have, albeit with Colin and Jo listed the other way round that week (and her surname spelt Whiley, as we have), and Spoony and Nemone spelt as in this sentence, not as we have on the relevant dates on our list.

I have yet to fully research the era from post millenium Mark Goodier, through Wes Butter, JK and Joel and into Fearne and Reggie, with the exception of a short period in 2002/2003 and again in 2005, both due to the gap between regular host being plugged by various other one-offs and cover hosts. For the period from 3rd November 2002 to 23rd February 2003 I have found the following discrepancies 2002 November 23rd - RT listed Mark Goodier for the final time, where we have Jo Whiley (incidentally shouldn't it be Wiley?). Likely RT weren't notified of the changes in time to amend the first week, but Jo defintely presented as the first female presenter of the BBC chart show (after a mere 47 years of exclusively male BBC chart show hosts on the Light Programme and Radio 1). 2003 January 5th - we and RT both list Tim Westwood, but previous commentators state that this show never happened, so need a source to corroborate Scott filling in for Tim. January 12th - RT listed John Peel, which would have been a truly historic chart show, though not sure if he would have been comfortable with Girls Aloud topping that week, but perhaps Electric Six entering at No 2 would have been to his liking. Anyway, as stated elsewhere, I'm pretty sure Peely never did the chart show in the end, and indeed we have Scott Mills on our list here.