DanChartFan

Bottom line: The way the charts are thought of by enthusiasts and the type of statistics compiled are no longer compatible with the way music is sold/promoted/cherry picked etc Way out? Find new types of statistics that are! A table of most top 75 chart entries by artist would favour modern artists somewhat although it might take a few more years to filter to the very top of that chart, where the likes of Cliff and Elvis look down from. And the longest run for one entry is very skewed to modern releases as another thread on here shows.

I work for Sainsburys and I can say our entertainment aisle is screwed. I believe we can't get an regular alternative supplier so it looks like no cds/dvds by next year, and no january sale stuff as we have to actually order it separately, not discounted existing stock as people tend to think. Games seem unaffected at the mo tho.

Engelbert Humperdinck's Release Me was I think 56 weeks.

"The Guiness books date also differs, and actually Frankie Vaughan was number one in 1961 in Guiness too. MOON RIVER went to the top on 26th Dec, not the 25th. The same for Cliff in Guiness..ELVIS was the Xmas number one in Guiness 1960, Cliff got there on 27th Dec. So, the only one that differs is ADAM FAITH in 1959, and that was a close thing with EMILE FORD, very close!" Is it not week ending dates? that where published/announced before xmas but dated after xmas? I must confess tho I don't fully understand the pre 1969 publication/announcement dates compared to chart dates.

Surely the biggest worry is that EUK supplies Tesco, Asda, Morrisons, Sainsburys and Zavvi! We might be seeing the end of the cheap cd era if not the end of the whole physical recorded entertainment industry!

Does anyone have viewing figures for TOTP Xmas from the last few years or more? Tried barb.co.uk but can't find any. Just wanted to see if figures had really fallen off that much over the years.

Absolutely gutted. I can't imagine xmas without totp! Oh and isn't somebody else's christmas presents now? Think i read that Noel left the series following an accident?

Definitely not a shortage of CDs, was in town centre yesterday (Swindon) and couldn't move for them wherever I went. And stoopid people where still managing to miss them and ask assistants where they where despite the massive shippers and on counter promotion.

Rufus made TOTP watchable in it's last year or so when it may otherwise have died sooner with just Fearne and Reggie. I thought he was very much in the traditions of earlier presenters of the R1 DJ era. Whilst a bit cheesy, it's what made TOTP.

I too was under the impression it might have been a charity single. The key point people seem to be missing is that many people would have bought it anyway, because of Peter Kay, and any charity link would then be a happy bonus. I had no idea Gary Barlow had anything to do with it so I don't think people are buying it for that. Perhaps the supermarkets where tricked into thinking it was a real x Factor type single and that's why they stocked it. I have to admit I can't see the point if isn't a charity single, the song is poor anyway, though I didn't know that til AFTER I bought it.

NOT an airplay factor as it's what PEOPLE are playing not radio execs. Always wondered if itunes could combine most played charts off all individual ipods to get an overall most played chart? But difficult to do weekly, specially as everyone updates at different times.

An idea would be if anyone has a list of the cduk charttoppers. These were, I believe, the chart less one day. They varied quite a lot in late 2004 if I remember rightly. Duncan James & Keedie's I Believe My Heart and Manics The Love Of Richard Nixon were 2.

"The internet has changed music so much, the way it's marketed, the way acts view their work, the ease of purchase and listening, the ability to find anything. The CD single is as good as dead, people aren't bothered any more. Yes, there will always be a minority but that's what it will always be, a minority. All this talk of reformatting or price lowering or better value or whatever won't work, there's no point. People have moved on and aren't going to move back in any kind of significant number." And fifteen to twenty years ago they said CDs had killed vinyl, but now not only is it still with us it's in growth! I think all we need is for the next generation of young teeny boppers to hold CDs in higher regard and with a new wave of future pop stars a resurgence could happen in a few years. When something ceases to be it makes people want it again. BTW The Spice Girls and Police DID have albums out, albeit retrospectives with the odd new track added. As a final note, I buy more CD singles than I ever have done before. And I don't intend to give up. Especially as every release (bar X Factor) is a guaranteed limited edition.

Ding ding! The Crazy Frog was indie. But I'm guessin he had some non-amphibious friends to actually run the label.

Make it a big hit please and then a couple more from her fantastic album Coco too, maybe Midnight Bottle.

Don't know the Katy Perry one yet. Kid Rock for this week, maybe Katy in a few weeks when she's caught on with the public.

The Ride On Time sales confusion mite be due to there being two versions. The original with the illegal sample which was hastily withdrawn due to legal action and the 'remix' made with a re-recorded sample by a session singer which replaced it.

A bit of history for anyone calculating their UK Birthday number one. 14/11/1952-26/2/1960 Charts dated and published in NME on a Friday. 10/3/1960-29/6/1967 Charts dated and published in Record Retailer on a Thursday. (Notice the missing chart week when changing charts, some people will have no birthday #1) 5/7/1967-5/2/1969 Charts dated and published in Record Retailer on a Wednesday. 12/2/1969-30/7/1969 First Official charts compiled by BMRB, Announced on Tuesday on Radio 1 and dated and published in Record Retailer on Wednesday. 9/8/1969-1/1/1983 BMRB, Announced Tuesdays on Radio 1, dated Saturday after announcement. 8/1/1983-10/10/1987 Compiled by Gallup, Announced Tuesdays on Radio 1, dated Saturday after announcement. 17/10/1987- 5/2/1994 Gallup, Announced Sundays on Radio 1, dated Saturday after announcement. 12/2/1994-present Compiled by Millward Brown for the Chart Information Network (CIN) now know as the Official Charts Company (OCC), Announced Sundays on Radio 1, dated Saturday after announcement. Birthday#1s engines such as the one we're discussing tend to standardise with Saturday dates all through and therefore use the wrong chart if you're born on a Sun-Thur 1952-60, Sun-Wed 1960-1967, Sun-Tues 1967-1969 and Sun/Mon 1969-1987. This can still give the right #1 sometimes but can obviously be wrong a lot too. Should stress that I've not tested this particuar one to see if it does this or not.

I think they used shipping totals because actual sales were protected by confidentiality agreements.

I have the Mint Royale CD from a few years ago so I wasn't gonna buy it again but I've just read that it has changed labels to Syco, so looks like I'll have to buy it to have the correct catalog no in my collection. Such is life.

That's another point. I love looking at the new release stand and often end up buying many more than I went in for. Weirdly I bought Sara Bareilles from the New Release stand last week as an impulse buy and then saw it had been out a while, but I like it anyway. Someone from the music industry should persuade all large supermarkets to stock at least a top 10 plus big new releases then they'd see sales of cds climb and climb from impulse buying. At the moment people have to want to go out of their way to buy a single, in shop or online, we need impulse buyers back on side!

I have a huge collection of number ones in 78, 7", 12", Cassettes, CDs, DVD etc etc but I'm far not complete. Have to say I rejected the Elvis reissues as well. Got the Elv1s album anyway. I've got all the eighties, all nineties bar Iron Maiden and all the Naughties bar the Elvis's above and Mandy. I only need about a dozen for the seventies, but quite a few sixties and fifties. I have, I believe the most complete colllection of chart topping cassettes I know of covering the whole chart elligible period of 1989-2003.

The thing that gets me is some singles CAN still sell loads. Take an X Factor single, easily 100,000 Physical copies sold. So what is different about them? Well I know there's the over exposure of the series but the key is that the industry decides for these singles to go out of their way putting the single right under our nose at the front of music stores and crucially stocking at all the supermarkets. If it's stocked in more places and promoted people will still buy, and these are usually priced at £3.99 for a two or three track! The X Factor singles are also bought in my opinion by people thinking "hmmm that's a single, there's a novelty u don't get those nowadays!". Spread the message people, you can still buy singles and I hope you always be able to.

Not convinced the price is the main reason ppl don't buy cd singles. Most releases have been available at 1.99 for like 15 years or more. Go to a music store back then and the singles wall (a whole wall dammit!) was right at the front where any dummy could find it. Now in my local HMV i have to climb two flights of stairs and then track the tiny shelf down in a corner somewhere. ppl can't be bothered to do this. Many of the stores customers won't even know singles are up there on the 'alternative' floor. :(

I've never bought it as I've never found a physical copy anywhere, I still live in hope that it will be released again physically.