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ABC - The Lexicon Of Love The Associates - Sulk Eric B and Rakim - Paid In Full Beastie Boys - Paul's Boutique Big Audio Dynamite - This Is Big Audio Dynamite Black - Wonderful Life The Blue Nile – Hats David Bowie - Scary Monsters (and Super Creeps) Kate Bush - The Dreaming Kate Bush - The Hounds of Love Kate Bush - The Sensual World Butthole Surfers - Hairway to Steven The Church - Heyday The Cocteau Twins - Treasure The Cocteau Twins - Blue Bell Knoll The Cult - Love The Cult - Electric The Cure - Seventeen Seconds The Cure - The Head On The Door Depeche Mode - Black Celebration Dexy's Midnight Runners - Searching For The Young Soul Rebels Duran Duran - Rio Echo and the Bunnymen - Crocodiles Eurythmics - Savage Brian Eno - Apollo: Atmospheres And Soundtracks Brian Eno / David Byrne - My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts Frida - Something's Going On Furniture -The Wrong People Peter Gabriel - So Philip Glass - Koyaanisqatsi Heaven 17 - How Men Are Human League - Dare Human League – Crash Husker Du - Zen Arcade Its Immaterial– Life’s Hard and Then You Die Janet Jackson - Control Jane's Addiction - Nothing's Shocking Japan - Tin Drum Jesus and Mary Chain - Psychocandy Joy Division - Closer Justified Ancients of Mu Mu - 1987 (What the f***'s Going On?) Kraftwerk - Computer world Level 42 - World Machine Lover Speaks - The Lover Speaks Madonna - Like a Prayer Metallica - Master of Puppets New Order - Low-Life New Order – Technique Hazel O'Connor - Breaking Glass Pet Shop Boys - Please Pet Shop Boys - Actually Pixies - Doolittle Prefab Sprout - Swoon Prefab Sprout - Steve McQueen Primal Scream - Sonic Flower Groove Prince - Parade Prince - Sign O' The Times Public Enemy - It Takes a Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back Rain Parade - Emergency Third Rail Powertrip Ramones - End Of The Century Red Box – The Circle and the Square Redd Kross - Neurotica R.E.M. - Murmur Roxy Music - Avalon Scritti Politti - Cupid and Psyche 85 Paul Simon - Graceland Siouxsie and the Banshees - Peepshow Sisters of Mercy - First and Last and Always The Smiths - Meat is Murder The Smiths - The Queen Is Dead Soft Cell - Non Stop Erotic Cabaret Talk Talk - The Colour of Spring Talk Talk - Spirit of Eden Teardrop Explodes - Kilimanjaro Tears For Fears - Songs From The Big Chair This Mortal Coil - It'll End In Tears Simple Minds - New Gold Dream The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses David Sylvian - Brilliant Trees David Sylvian - Gone to Earth U2 - The Joshua Tree U2 - The Unforgettable Fire Various - Lonely is an eyesore Various - NME C86 Visage - The Anvil Yazoo - Upstairs at Eric's

Abba - The Visitors ABC - The Lexicon Of Love The Associates - Sulk Eric B and Rakim - Paid In Full Beastie Boys - Paul's Boutique Big Audio Dynamite - This Is Big Audio Dynamite David Bowie - Scary Monsters (and Super Creeps) Kate Bush - The Dreaming Kate Bush - The Hounds of Love Kate Bush - The Sensual World Butthole Surfers - Hairway to Steven Cocteau Twins - Treasure The Cult - Love The Cult - Electric The Cure - Seventeen Seconds The Cure - The Head On The Door Depeche Mode - Black Celebration Dexy's Midnight Runners - Searching For The Young Soul Rebels Duran Duran - Rio Echo and the Bunnymen - Crocodiles Brian Eno - Apollo: Atmospheres And Soundtracks Brian Eno / David Byrne - My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts Frida - Something's Going On Peter Gabriel - So Philip Glass - Koyaanisqatsi Hazel O'Connor - Breaking Glass Heaven 17 - How Men Are Human League - Dare Human League - Crash Janet Jackson - Control Jane's Addiction - Nothing's Shocking Japan - Tin Drum Jesus and Mary Chain - Psychocandy Joy Division - Closer Justified Ancients of Mu Mu - 1987 (What the f***'s Going On?) Kraftwerk - Computer world Level 42 - World Machine Madonna - Like a Prayer Metallica - Master of Puppets New Order - Low-Life New Order - Technique Pet Shop Boys - Actually Pixies - Doolittle Prefab Sprout - Steve McQueen Primal Scream - Sonic Flower Groove Prince - Parade Prince - Sign O' The Times Ramones - End Of The Century Redd Kross - Neurotica Roxy Music - Avalon Scritti Politti - Cupid and Psyche 85 Paul Simon - Graceland Siouxsie and the Banshees - Peepshow Sisters of Mercy - First and Last and Always The Smiths - Meat is Murder The Smiths - The Queen Is Dead Soft Cell - Non Stop Erotic Cabaret Talk Talk - The Colour of Spring Talk Talk - Spirit of Eden Teardrop Explodes - Kilimanjaro Tears For Fears - Songs From The Big Chair This Mortal Coil - It'll End In Tears Simple Minds - New Gold Dream The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses David Sylvian - Brilliant Trees David Sylvian - Gone to Earth U2 - The Joshua Tree U2 - The Unforgettable Fire Various - Lonely is an eyesore Various - NME C86 Visage - The Anvil Yazoo - Upstairs at Eric's

How come Blondie gets three songs on the list whereas Simple Minds, The Beat, Paul McCartney, The Vapors, Stacy Lattislaw, Roxy Music, Ultravox, The Cramps, The Gap Band, U2, The Rolling Stones, The Skids, XTC, Devo, Dr Hook, Echo and the Bunnymen, The Clash, The Electric Light Orchestra, Fleetwood Mac, The Whispers, Elvis Costello, Iron Maiden etc, etc, etc… don't get any? And how come a total non-hit by an MOR artist (The rose by Bette Midler) is on your list instead of any of the above? I bet if you stopped 1000 people on the street and asked them what music best represented 1980 not one of them would come up with that! Is it a personal favourite? I like the retro board for it's individualism and diversity, something not represented by this list. This "game" would be so much improved by letting people list their individual top 20s for each year - rather like the "Albums of the decade" threads we've been doing for the last few weeks. So far not one LP has been ascribed to the wrong decade, so you can probably trust us not to do anything silly like put a record that was released in November 1980 in the 1981 list (Fade to grey by Visage). This list feels artificially "packed" with records that aren't particularly relevant to the year in question - which means the results will be unrepresentative of the tastes of the people on this board - something that will be even more true in the later stages. Ultimately, despite your protestations, this list represents your opinions, not ours. Count me out.

Abba - The Visitors ABC - The Lexicon Of Love The Associates - Sulk David Bowie - Scary Monsters (and Super Creeps) Kate Bush - The Dreaming Kate Bush - The Hounds of Love Kate Bush - The Sensual World Butthole Surfers - Hairway to Steven Cocteau Twins - Treasure The Cult - Love The Cult - Electric The Cure - Seventeen Seconds The Cure - The Head On The Door Depeche Mode - Black Celebration Dexy's Midnight Runners - Searching For The Young Soul Rebels Duran Duran - Rio Echo and the Bunnymen - Crocodiles Brian Eno / David Byrne - My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts Frida - Something's Going On Peter Gabriel - So Philip Glass - Koyaanisqatsi Hazel O'Connor - Breaking Glass Heaven 17 - How Men Are Human League - Dare Human League - Crash Janet Jackson - Control Jane's Addiction - Nothing's Shocking Japan - Tin Drum Kraftwerk - Computer world Level 42 - World Machine Madonna - Like a Prayer Metallica - Master of Puppets New Order - Low-Life New Order - Technique Pet Shop Boys - Actually Pixies - Doolittle Prefab Sprout - Steve McQueen Prince - Parade Prince - Sign O' The Times Ramones - End Of The Century Redd Kross - Neurotica Roxy Music - Avalon Scritti Politti - Cupid and Psyche 85 Siouxsie and the Banshees - Peepshow Sisters of Mercy - First and Last and Always The Smiths - Meat is Murder The Smiths - The Queen Is Dead Soft Cell - Non Stop Erotic Cabaret Teardrop Explodes - Kilimanjaro Tears For Fears - Songs From The Big Chair Simple Minds - New Gold Dream The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses David Sylvian - Brilliant Trees David Sylvian - Gone to Earth U2 - The Joshua Tree U2 - The Unforgettable Fire Various - Lonely is an eyesore Various - NME C86 Visage - The Anvil Yazoo - Upstairs at Eric's

ABC - The Lexicon Of Love The Associates - Sulk Kate Bush - The Dreaming Kate Bush - The Hounds of Love Cocteau Twins - Treasure The Cult - Electric The Cure - Seventeen Seconds Depeche Mode - Black Celebration Dexy's Midnight Runners - Searching For The Young Soul Rebels Duran Duran - Rio Brian Eno / David Byrne - My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts Human League - Dare Jane's Addiction - Nothing's Shocking Metallica - Master of Puppets New Order - Low-Life Pet Shop Boys - Actually Ramones - End Of The Century Siouxsie and the Banshees - Peepshow Sisters of Mercy - First and Last and Always The Smiths - Meat is Murder The Smiths - The Queen Is Dead Soft Cell - Non Stop Erotic Cabaret Teardrop Explodes - Kilimanjaro Simple Minds - New Gold Dream The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses U2 - The Joshua Tree Yazoo - Upstairs at Eric's

Excellent list - very light on prog rock (thankfully)! This is probably a far less snobby list than you'd get from Mojo, Uncut or The Word. Onwards to the 80s…

1. I (10 points) 2. L 3. K 4. J 5. D 6. A 7. B 8. F 9. H 10. C

Nancy Sinatra - You only live twice

Watch out for Peruvian Pod People!

There are loads of obscure (and some not so obscure) tracks that I like that aren't on iTunes… The Millennium - Begin An entire album from the sixties (recently put on our 100 best albums of the sixties thread), brilliant sunshine pop. The Dylans - Planet love Indie tune from the early 90s. Nothing at all by this group on iTunes. Paul Haig - Heaven help you now (12" mix) They've got the 7" version and a horrible remix but not the full glory of the 12". Jason and the Scorchers - Absolutely Sweet Marie Blazing version of the Bob Dylan song, but nothing from the first two LPs on iTunes. The Slickee Boys - This party sucks or When I go to the beach 80s US garage band. 2 tracks on iTunes but not their greatest. Power Of Dreams - There I go again Irish group from late 80s/90s. Another group with the same name on iTunes. Madder Rose - Beautiful John Later stuff available but not this early classic, or the LP it's from. Sugar Ray - Mean machine Lots available but not this single. The Muffs - Guilty Ditto. Mega City Four - Wallflower Only 13 tracks available from their extensive catalogue. Xymox - Imagination Older and newer stuff available but not the late 80s/early 90s tracks. Bailter Space - Shine One later LP available form these New Zealand shoegazers, but not the early classics. Southside Johnny and the Asbury Jukes - Little girl so fine Lots available but not this early classic penned by Bruce Springsteen and Steve Van Zandt. Basement 5 - Silicon chip An LP is available, but not this single. Banbara - Shack up Total funk classic - but you can get A Certain Ratio's cover version! The Valentine Brothers - Money's too tight (to mention) The original, as destroyed by Simply Red. Bunny Wailer - Love fire The original, as destroyed by Simply Red. Yellow Magic Orchestra - Computer game UK top twenty hit. Nothing at all by this seminal Japanese electronic group. Freeez - IOU UK number 2 electro hit. Nothing at all by The Belltower, The Secret (trance act), The Lime Spiders, Fingerprintz, Bag O'Shells, Blessed Ethel, Birdland, The Crystal Set, The Misanthropes, Two People (UK 80s pop duo), The Three O'Clock, Gaspar Lawal, Nova Mob (Grant Hart group after he left Hüsker Dü), The Pollen, Gretschen Hofner, The Scratch Band, Girls At Our Best!, Tiger (the UK indie group), The Daytonas, Viciuos Pink/Vicious Pink Phenomena, Symposium, The Moffs, The Fallout Club (Thomas Dolby and Trevor Herion), Vice Versa (who became ABC) and The Ting Tings. I could go on. However much music there is on iTunes there will always be more recorded music that isn't on iTunes.

Abba - Arrival Adam and the Ants - Dirk Wears White Sox The Adverts - Crossing The Red Sea With The Adverts Ashra - Blackouts Kevin Ayers - Bananamour The Beach Boys - Love You The Beatles - Let It Be Be-Bop Deluxe - Drastic Plastic Bee Gees/Various - Saturday Night Fever OST The B-52s - The B-52s Big Star - Third/Sister Lovers Black Sabbath - Volume 4 Blondie - Parallel Lines Blondie - Plastic Letters Blue Oyster Cult - Agents Of Fortune The Boomtown Rats - Boomtown Rats David Bowie - Aladdin Sane David Bowie - Diamond Dogs David Bowie - Heroes David Bowie - Hunky Dory David Bowie - Low David Bowie - Station To Station David Bowie - Ziggy Stardust David Bowie - Young Americans Kate Bush - The Kick Inside Burning Spear - Marcus Garvey Buzzcocks - Another Music In A Different Kitchen Buzzcocks - Love bites Can - Tago Mago Can - Landed Chic - C'est Chic The Clash - The Clash The Clash - London Calling Cockney Rebel - The Psychomodo Leonard Cohen - Death Of A Ladies Man The Congos - Heart Of The Congos Elvis Costello - This Year's Model Elvis Costello - Armed Forces Kevin Coyne - Marjory Razorblade Crosby Stills Nash & Young - Deja Vu Culture - Two Sevens Clash Miles Davis - On the Corner Deep Purple - Machine Head Dion - Born To Be With You The Doors - L. A. Woman Nick Drake - Bryter Layter Dr Feelgood - Stupidity Ian Dury and the Blockheads - New Boots and Panties Bob Dylan - Blood On The Tracks Bob Dylan - Desire The Eagles - Hotel California ELO - ELO ELO - A new world record ELO - Out Of The Blue Brian Eno - Here come the warm jets Brian Eno - Taking Tiger Mountain (By Strategy) Brian Eno - Another Green World Brian Eno - Before And After Science The Faces - A Nods As Good As A Wink To A Blind Horse Marianne Faithfull - Broken English Faust - So Far Fleetwood Mac - Rumours Flying Burrito Brothers - Burrito Deluxe Focus - Moving Waves Free - Fire and Water Peter Gabriel - Peter Gabriel (1) Peter Gabriel - Peter Gabriel (2) Serge Gainsbourg - Historie de Melody Nelson Gang Of Four - Entertainment Marvin Gaye - What's Going On? Genesis - Selling England By The Pound Genesis - The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway Genesis - Wind And Wuthering Roy Harper - Lifemask George Harrison - All Things Must Pass Hawkwind - Quark, Strangeness And Charm The Heartbreakers - L. A. M. F. Richard Hell and the Voidoids - Blank Generation The Human League - Reproduction Iggy and the Stooges - Raw Power Michael Jackson - Off The Wall The Jam - In The City The Jam - All Mod Cons Jean Michel Jarre - Oxygene Jean Michel Jarre - Equinoxe Billy Joel - The Stranger Elton John - Goodbye Yellow Brick Road Elton John - Captain Fantastic & The Brown Dirt Cowboy Joy Division - Unknown Pleasures Carole King - Tapestry Kraftwerk - Autobahn Kraftwerk - Trans-Europe Express Kraftwerk - The Man Machine Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin III Led Zeppelin - 4 Symbols Led Zeppelin - Houses Of The Holy Led Zeppelin - Physical Graffiti John Lennon & the Plastic Ono Band - John Lennon & the Plastic Ono Band John Lennon - Imagine Bob Marley - Exodus Curtis Mayfield - Superfly Paul McCartney - McCartney Paul and Linda McCartney- Ram MC5 - High time Meatloaf - Bat Out Of Hell Joni Mitchell - Blue Giorgio Moroder - From Here To Eternity Giorgio Moroder - E=mc2 NEU! - 75 New York Dolls - New York Dolls Gary Numan and Tubeway Army - Replicas Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells The Only Ones - The Only Ones Gram Parsons - Grievous Angels Pere Ubu - The Modern Dance Lee "Scratch" Perry and the Upsetters - Super Ape Pink Floyd - Dark Side Of The Moon Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here Pink Floyd - The Wall The Police - Outlandos D'Amour Iggy Pop - The Idiot Iggy Pop - Lust For Life Prince Far I And The Arabs - Dub To Africa Public Image - Metal Box/Second Edition Queen - A Night at the Opera Queen - Sheer Heart Attack The Ramones - The Ramones The Ramones - Leave Home Lou Reed - Transformer Lou Reed - Berlin The Rezillos - Can't Stand The Rezillos The Rolling Stones - Exile On Main Street The Rolling Stones - Sticky Fingers The Rolling Stones - Some Girls Roxy Music - Roxy Music Roxy Music - For Your Pleasure Roxy Music - Country Life The Runaways - The Runaways The Saints - (I'm) Stranded The Sex Pistols - Never Mind The Bollocks Here's The Sex Pistols Simon and Garfunkel - Bridge Over Troubled Water Simple Minds - Life In A Day Siouxsie and the Banshees - The Scream Sly & the Family Stone - There's A Riot Going On Patti Smith - Horses The Patti Smith Group - Easter Sparks - Kimono my House Sparks - No. 1 In Heaven The Specials - The Specials Bruce Springsteen - Born To Run Steely Dan - Pretzel Logic Rod Stewart - Every Picture Tells A Story The Stooges - Fun House The Stranglers - Stranglers IV: Rattus Norvegicus The Stranglers - Black and white The Strawbs - Hero and heroine Suicide - Suicide Talking Heads - 77 Talking Heads - More Songs About Buildings And Food Talking Heads - Fear Of Music Tangerine Dream - Rubycon Telex - Looking For St. Tropez T. Rex - Electric Warrior T. Rex - The Slider T. Rex - T. Rex Television - Marquee Moon 10CC - Sheet Music Ultravox - Systems Of Romance The Undertones - The Undertones Van der Graaf Generator - Pawn Hearts Van Morrison - Moondance Various Artists - The Harder They Come Original Soundtrack Various Artists - No New York Various Artists - Nuggets Various - Grease OST Velvet Underground - Loaded The Vibrators - V2 Dennis Wilson - Pacific Ocean Blue The Wailers - Catch A Fire The Who - Who's Next The Who - Live at Leeds Wings - Band on the Run Wire - Pink Flag Stevie Wonder - Talking Book Stevie Wonder - Innervisions Stevie Wonder - Songs In The Key Of Life XTC - White Music XTC - Go 2 Yellow Magic Orchestra - Yellow Magic Orchestra Yellow Magic Orchestra - Solid State Survivor Yes - Close To The Edge Neil Young - After The Goldrush Neil Young - On The Beach Neil Young - Harvest Neil Young & Crazy Horse - Rust Never Sleeps That's 195

Sorry, I haven't got much time this week, so a quick and easy one from me… http://www.mediamax.com/neilbaylis/Hosted/MobyExtremeWays.jpg

You say "I don't understand how this can take effect so quickly and how they can measure it" and then you say "it can't be measured in 18 months". Which is it? You don't understand how they can measure it, or you difinitively know that they can't measure it? Scotland and that town in Colorado would suggest that they can measure it - even if you don't understand how. When I say "live with it" I mean live with the fact that the improvement is quick and dramatic, even if this goes against your suspicion of statistics and governments, not live with the fact that smoking is bad for you. I think we all know that by now. My argument on this thread is with the knee jerk need to believe in bad news, even when it's good news. It's why the Australians call us whinging Poms! I think as a nation it is one of our least attractive traits. There is plenty of genuinely bad news around without trying to turn good news in to bad news as well! Which I guess for a Brit makes me pretty weird!

01. (02) Shiny Toy Guns - Rainy Monday [5 wks] (31-10-5-2-1) 02. (01) Richard Hawley - Tonight the streets are ours [6 wks] (1-1-1-1-1-2) 03. (04) Elliot Minor - Jessica [5 wks] (33-5-4-3-3) 04. (05) Sugababes - About you now [4 wks] (26-11-5-4) 05. (08) Natalie Imbruglia - Glorious [4 wks] (30-9-8-5) 06. (04) Hard-Fi - Suburban knights [8 wks] (17-8-10-6-3-3-4-6) 07. (06) Caribou - Melody day [6 wks] (8-4-2-2-7) 08. (07) Tiny Dancers - Ashes and diamonds [6 wks] (21-16-9-6-7-8) 09. (11) The Enemy - You’re not alone [3 wks] (22-19-11-9) 10. (09) Shiny Toy Guns - Don’t cry out [14 wks] (6-6-3-3-1-1-1-1-3-3-4-7-9-10) 11. (18) Editors - An end has a start [4 wks] (29-24-18-11) 12. (16) Deborah Harry - Two times blue [6 wks] (28-28-23-21-16-12) 13. (12) Stephanie McIntosh - Mistake [13 wks] (32-11-4-4-2-2-2-2-2-6-10-12-13) 14. (10) Stephanie McIntosh - So do I say sorry first? [8 wks] (22-12-11-9-7-8-10-14) 15. (19) Candie Payne - One more chance [4 wks] (33-29-19-15) 16. (17) Axwell featuring Max C - I found U [5 wks] (26-17-15-17-16) 17. (29) Ghosts - Ghosts [4 wks] (39-34-29-17) 18. (15) Robyn - With every heartbeat [14 wks] (34-25-18-14-15-15-15-11-12-12-16-14-15-18) 19. (20) Rihanna - Shut up and drive [5 wks] (30-24-23-20-19) 20. (**) The Decemberists - The perfect crime [1 wk] (20) 21. (14) Kelly Rowland - Like this [15 wks] (29-20-14-7-8-5-5-4-5-5-12-14-21) 22. (13) Arcade Fire - No cars go [8 wks] (16-15-14-13-12-13-13-22) 23. (22) The Coral - Who’s gonna find me? [9 wks] (38-30-20-15-14-15-18-22-23) 24. (27) Girls Aloud - Sexy! No no no [7 wks] (26-26-24-21-27-27-24) 25. (30) Yves Larock - Rise up [5 wks] (36-31-28-30-25) 26. (33) Reverend and the Makers - He said he loved me [4 wks] (40-38-33-26) 27. (26) The Ting Tings - That’s not my name [17 weeks] (3-1-1-1-1-1-1-2-2-3-3-5-10-14-20-26-27) 28. (21) Amy MacDonald - Mr Rock & Roll [8 wks] (10-6-6-7-11-16-21-28) 29. (**) The United States Of Electronica - Open your eyes [1 wk] (29) 30. (23) Lumidee featuring Pitbull - Crazy [7 wks] (22-16-15-19-22-23-30) 31. (28) Manic Street Preachers - Autumnsong [8 wks] (11-7-9-8-13-17-28-31) 32. (39) Scouting For Girls - She’s so lovely [2 wks] (39-32) 33. (31) Marsheaux - Dream of a disco [16 wks] (3-2-2-2-2-2-3-4-5-4-7-11-18-31-31-33) 34. (24) KT Tunstall - Hold on [5 wks] (34-25-26-24-34) 35. (36) Funeral For A Friend - Walk away [6 wks] (39-37-28-32-36-35) 36. (34) Foo Fighters - The pretender [4 wks] (38-36-34-36) 37. (37) Booty Luv - Don’t mess with my man [3 wks] (39-37-37) 38. (**) Manic Street Preachers - Indian summer [1 wk] (38) 39. (**) Amy MacDonald - L. A. [1 wk] (39) 40. (32) Black Rebel Motorcycle Club - Berlin [5 wks] (40-x-37-35-32-40)

Surely the internet is already policed. Many agencies track terrorism on the internet. Sting operations are carried out by the police against paedophiles. How can it be policed any further? About the only thing that may need improving is that sites like eBay and YouTube need to be more accountable for what appears on their sites. But I think this is slowly happening anyway. Sooner or later one of the businesses or individuals who are sueing these websites is going to have their day in court and cause a change in the "hands-off" way they operate.

This is surely entirely political. Brown believes that he can pull a fast one on Cameron by siding with Thatcher. There are many disillusioned Tories who don't like Cameron's policies. Brown wants them to vote for him at the next General Election, and he doesn't care how far to the right he has to go to stay in power. The political parties used to be arranged from left to right: Labour > Liberal > Conservative Now it seems to be: Liberal Democrat > Conservative > New Labour Bizarre!

This "group" you were in. Were they scientists? Or people who already believed in "forces" and "auras"? If you were blindfolded how do you know they weren't just moving out of your way? Hardly scientific! You should have set up a video camera to record the results. Or had independent observers (scientists or otherwise) to note the results. We humans have huge psychological effects on each other. Some of which are nigh on miraculous - as anyone who's watched Derren Brown at work will know. We are all open to suggestion and manipulation whether we think we are or not. The recent programmes by Richard Dawkins that you enthused about in another thread did a similar thing with water diviners. As soon as you apply the scientific method all of their powers seem to evaporate! Believe in "auras" and "forces" if you want to. As I said in my first post in this thread, "As with religion, either you believe or you don't. I don't." I tend to side with Derren Brown and Richard Dawkins, rather than Derek Acora and Obi Wan Kenobi!

I guess this is a statistic too. So you won't believe this one either. Were the statistics government ones? Scottish Health Service ones? You don't know because the original post doesn't say. But you've decided they're govt. ones so it's easier to disbelieve them. (I am no truster of statistics or politicians either - believe me!) I think the chief point you are all struggling with is actually just how bad smoking is for you. Health improves immeasurably and immediately someone stops smoking. So you shouldn't be surprised that a smoking ban leads to good news - because it has happened everywhere a smoking ban has been applied. A smoking ban is always good news for the population it is applied to regardless of how manipulative the government who introduces it might be! As I said before - live with it!

Ones I like… 6 8 3 ALL OF MY HEART ABC 8 13 4 THE MESSAGE Grandmaster Flash 14 14 9 TODAY Talk Talk 15 7 5 WHAT Soft Cell 16 12 5 NOBODY'S FOOL Haircut 100 17 24 5 WHY Carly Simon 23 21 4 LEAVE IN SILENCE Depeche Mode 25 22 7 UNDER THE BOARDWALK Tom Tom Club 26 18 9 JOHN WAYNE IS BIG LEGGY Haysi Fantayzee 28 38 4 GLITTERING PRIZE Simple Minds 32 31 6 WINDPOWER Thomas Dolby 35 33 7 18 CARAT LOVE AFFAIR Associates 42 30 10 DON'T GO Yazoo 43 70 2 DO YOU WANNA FUNK Sylvester

Love both, but the Kinks have it.

'76 was the calm before the storm. No punk. No disco. Not a great chart at all. The ones I like (mostly reissues) are… 5 ( 7 ) Jungle Rock - Hank Mizell 12 ( 18 ) Hey Jude - Beatles 13 ( 9 ) Yesterday - Beatles 23 ( 28 ) Movin' - Brass Connection 27 ( 23 ) Paperback Writer - Beatles 28 ( 30 ) Get Back - Beatles 32 ( 17 ) Take It To The Limit - Eagles 34 ( 32 ) Strawberry Fields Forever - Beatles 36 ( 33 ) Riders On The Storm - Doors 37 ( -- ) Help - Beatles

Another fab winner from Russ. 2nd is my best placing since the new leaderboard. Yay! Love Jack's too.

Maybe his dartboard needs replacing…

In my earlier post I wondered about the small number of replies this thread had had. I assumed it was because people prefer to whinge about bad news than even see any good news. I was right. So desperate are they for bad news that Bry and ICR choose not to believe it. It must be Scottish joggers. Ha! Or the figures must have been manipulated. Just enjoy some good news for once! Smoking is catastrophically bad for our bodies in so many ways. Any reduction in smoking is going to lead to improved health figures. Live with it!