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It's not 'a very large majority of the country' was against her. By the time the votes are all in from Washington, California and New York, she will likely be ahead by a few million votes and 2% of the vote. That's undemocratic full stop. You pose the question the other way around - there is no way in *hell* Trump would've stayed silent had he won the popular vote and lost the electoral vote. It is, and always has been, a complete irrelevant anachronism which makes no sense whatsoever in a presidential system - at least in a parliamentary system you have the local representative angle for first past the post, but at a presidential level there is no argument for why it shouldn't be a one-person-one-vote system. It's something that should have been changed after Bush/Gore, but the sheer difficulty of changing the constitution (you have to get three quarters of the states to agree - which will never happen so long as the Republicans control at least a quarter of them, and they know the current system favours them) makes it an impossibility. But we're now in the ludicrous position of both the presidency *and* Congress being controlled by the party that won several million fewer votes in the elections for both. It is anti-democratic.

SCREAMING

Fuck me you're naive. Do you think Black Lives Matter sprung up because a few black people got the arse after listening to a Beyoncé album one day?

Learn to read.

Well, I suppose the Second Amendment had to come in useful eventually.

Hillary's vote count edging up - now at 63.4m. Starting to reach the point where any shortfall on 2012's 65 million could be almost entirely explained by the systematic voter suppression and unpicking of the Voting Rights Act enacted since 2013 (300,000 were turned away from the polls in Wisconsin *alone* - a state decided by 27,000 votes). Particularly apposite given the most notable fall in turnout is happening almost exclusively in demographic groups that had a positive view of Hillary Clinton. I don't think it can be ignored that the Republicans have done everything in their power to rig the system over the last decade, particularly when taken alongside the systematic gerrymandering of House seats. Obviously that isn't really much of a salve though, given it's not something the Democrats will be able to solve with a magic wand in 2020. That said, in light of the likes of Russ Feingold in Wisconsin losing by bigger margins than Hillary and single-payer healthcare getting defeated 80-20 in Colorado, I'm not really sure what *is* a way forward in winning back the kinds of voters described in pieces like this. Anti-establishment politics is a key part of the appeal, but it's pretty clear that nationalism and racial undertones are pivotal to it too - and you can imagine exactly how those types of voters would react to proposals that they in any way pay more for the expansion of the state. I don't see how the Democrats can even begin to interact with that.

Pretty much all the electoral experts are baffled at how CNN came to that projection - most of the votes left to be counted are in places like California and not in areas that notably skew Republican.

SHE DID WIN THIS IS WHAT HURTS THE MOST THIS IS ENTIRELY THE PRODUCT OF A FUCKED ELECTORAL SYSTEM

How is it 'smearing' Trump supporters to call them racist for voting for an openly racist candidate? The term isn't a slur. It means 'someone who does racist things'. Voting for a racist to be president is undoubtedly a racist thing. And please, dear god, do not come back to me with attempted claims that Trump is not a racist.

100. 27 in Wisconsin, 17 in Michigan, 70 in Pennsylvania.

It's about composition though. Trump's support was almost exclusively white. Hillary's wasn't - plenty of white people voted for her, but it was a minority of white people overall.

Also important to remember that the people *didn't* want this. Hillary won the popular vote.

One difference here is that Juppé is *very* popular. So having said that he's bound to collapse in the polls for some reason or another in the next few months, because 2016.

In fairness to PeaceMob, I don't see much difference in this being posted compared with the reels of white people crying I was limbering up to post if Trump lost. You're still a cock though.

One of the huge problems opinion polling faces at the moment is non-response rates. The kind of white working class voter whose vote for Trump was their first in years/ever has a tendency to just tell a caller from an opinion polling company to fuck off.

Aside from being devastated for America, its female, LGBT and PoC citizens, and the world as a whole, I'm just so, so sad for Hillary.

It is. He's committed to pulling out of the Paris Agreement. The one global climate deal everybody was finally able to agree on that was our last hope, and it's now basically the new Kyoto. I'm heartbroken.

Which isn't going to happen, by the looks of the results there so far.

dhwe, Cody, everyone else having to deal with the consequences of this - thinking of you all right now. Stay strong xxx

It's weird all round. West Coast voters pretty much know who's won before their polls close.

2015, obviously. It's not as if it was unexpected that 2016 would go badly, whereas there was still hope on the day in 2015 that Labour could hold onto 5-10 seats if polling day went right.

A fun disclaimer: Obama's data team spent most of the afternoon throwing up in 2012 because they were convinced from this data that they'd lost Ohio in a landslide. They ended up winning it comfortably. Different demographics turn out in sometimes unexpected different volumes through the day, so don't get *quite* too panicked if Trump is landsliding it on the basis of old people in the morning. That said on the other hand the General Secretary of Scottish Labour famously locked himself in a toilet for an hour after seeing the white collar SNP turnout from 6pm onwards so sometimes your suspicions CAN BE RIGHT

If you think there's such a good chance of him winning more than 40 states, have you put any money on it? If not, you're a moron. I mean, if you have you're a moron too, but I'd be a little more inclined to respect you putting yourself out there rather than just transparently searching for a reaction.

What a list!

If Trump thought he had the slightest chance in Colorado he would've been there.