Mushymanrob

Top 40 Hits of Late February 1986

1 Billy Ocean - When The Going Gets Tough (The Tough Get Going)

2 Diana Ross - Chain Reaction

3 Su Pollard - Starting Together

4 The Damned - Eloise

5 Whitney Houston - How Will I Know

6 Survivor - Burning Heart

7 The Bangles - Manic Monday

8 Sigue Sigue Sputnik - Love Missile F1-11

9 Paul Hardcastle - Don't Waste My Time

10 Five Star - System Addict

11 Madonna - Borderline

12 Public Image Ltd - Rise

13 James Brown - Living In America

14 Double - The Captain Of Her Heart

15 Nana Mouskouri - Only Love

16 Shakin' Stevens - Turning Away

17 Talking Heads - And She Was

18 Depeche Mode - Stripped

19 Frank Sinatra - Theme From New York, New York

20 Dire Straits - Walk Of Life

21 Tavares - Heaven Must Be Missing An Angel

22 Belouis Some - Imagination

23 A-ha - The Sun Always Shines On TV

24 Latin Quarter - Radio Africa

25 Audrey Hall - One Dance Won't Do

26 Sarah Brightman & Steve Harley - The Phantom Of The Opera

27 Colonel Abrams - I'm Not Going To Let You

28 Jim Diamond - Hi Ho Silver

29 Talk Talk - Life's What You Make It

30 Whistle - (Nothing Serious) Just Buggin'

31 Grace Jones - Pull Up To The Bumper / La Vie En Rose

32 Kate Bush - Hounds Of Love

33 Simple Minds - Sanctify Yourself

34 Alexander O'Neal - If You Were Here Tonight

35 Mike & The Mechanics - Silent Running (On Dangerous Ground)

36 Mr Mister - Broken Wings

37 Ozzy Osbourne - Shot In The Dark

38 Fine Young Cannibals - Suspicious Minds

39 Madness - The Sweetest Girl

40 Ruby Turner featuring Jonathan Butler - If You're Ready (Come Go With Me)

we didnt do churchill as he was still alive when i was at school! :lol:

we did everything, from the stoneage through to the industrial age. we didnt do ww1 ww2.

we did alot about the crusades and the renaisance.... i think that was right.

:rofl:

 

You are having a laugh aren't you? That is amongst the biggest load of rubbish I have read for quite a while.

 

Busted like Mcfly were formed from auditions held by failed 1980s pop star John McLoughlin in 2001.

 

They were nothing more than an teen pop-lite rip off of bands like Good Charlotte, Sum 41, Green Day, Bowling For Soup, Fall Out Boy, My Chemical Romance, etc. All of the above acts were having massive success certainly in America

 

In the same way that Avril Lavigne ripped off the blue print of an artist who had sold 40 million albums (Alanis Morissette) and also acts with female rock singers like Evanescence, Within Temptation & No Doubt (check out their 2000 album Return Of Saturn which Avril has based her career on).

 

Sorry, what you are saying is the equivalent of saying Bon Jovi are more influential on Hard Rock Music today than Led Zeppelin. Or the Bay City Rollers have a bigger influence of UK popular music than the Sex Pistols.

 

As for Busted & Mcfly's glittering career, well silly me I must have been asleep whilst Matt Wills was having all those solo number one hit singles & winning all those BRIT awards because of his massive fanbase that followed him after Busted imploded. Whilst the list of the 60 Best Selling albums of the 21st Century must be wrong because it is missing all of those "massive" selling Mcfly albums. Still there are plenty of Robbie Williams albums on the list, but that must be a mistake. :lol:

 

In short the likes of Busted, Mcfly & Avril are not that influential, because 1) They were not that big; 2) The other edgier, more authentic rock acts that I've listed were around at the same time and were/are a damn sight more influential.

no need to be rude :angry:

you are clearly not listening to what im saying, and i have the evidence that what im TELLING you is fact.

let me try again.

historically, everytime a new 'sound' becomes fashionable it does so on the back of some catalyst that appeals to a WHOLE NEW generation.

the beatles were the first to do this... some folks (like grimly) dont particually rate the beatles themselves but like what they did for music.. same with the sex pistols, i KNOW many of my generation who dont like much the pistols music, but like the fact that they were the catalyst to open new doors for new groups/sounds.

it matters not wether busted, mcfly, avril, were 'manufactured' or not, the fact is that they as a musical product (and they were infinately more talented then 99% of other manufactured acts, i remember seeing avril and madonna on totp... the queen of pop mimed, avril performed LIVE).

the point is that they appealed to a NEW GENERATION , just like the beatles did, just like the pistols did, (and in that the comparison ends). guitar pop wasnt in fashion since the early 80's to -16 year olds UNTIL busted and avril came along and appealed to them. now most busted fans soon grew up and having a taste for guitar pop explored more adult material. when the market was there for business to exploit it took advantage and guitar groups and 'indie' fashions took off.

im NOT saying that every 'indie kid' was a busted fan, BUT I KNOW SEVERAL WHO WERE. once guitar pop was back in fashion, like ME, i might not have liked busteds material, but i applaud the fact that guitar pop was back in fashion!!!

was credit awarded to busted?.... well.... after 20 odd years of other guitar fads FAILING to be anything other then a brief fad, and not capturing a generation, 'indie' now has.

i KNOW how influencial busted, mc fly, and lavigne were to young teens 6 years ago... because i KNOW them, ive talked to them both online (in music forums) and in real life... i have kids! i have clare! i have nephews/nieces, i know local kids, i work in schools! so to call my take on the situation 'the biggest load of rubbish' is utterly incorrect! for once YOU are wrong... i have no idea who you are, what you do, what family you have, but i KNOW what has influenced alot of teens, wether it was busted themselves or the guitar groups that followed in their wake after seeing that theres a market.

you cant compare them though with long established artists who of course in the ADULT world has sold millions, why? well because busted etc are a new, niche market. and no im not saying that musically they are 'up there', they arnt, its simply this.... the legacy of busted/lavigne is that they brought guitar pop back to 'da kidz', under 16's were fed s club, steps, spice girls, westlife, ronan, or even worse, the cartoons, fast food rockers... busted /lavigne broke that mould either by accident or design (in a marketing kinda way) ... like i said, pre busted you had to go a very long way back in time before guitar pop was fashionable with 'kids'.

I know that 'River Deep Mountain High' is 'OTT', but that is why

I think it is a fantastic record.

 

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precisely!!! besides i was 9 when it was out and where else could a 9 year old hear LOUD music?... its before rock was created!!! :lol:

I disagree.

 

One thing, I am totally onside with Ike Turner is that he ruined a Creedence Clearwater Revival esque track into something monstrous with the ridiculous OTT string arrangement & Wall of Sound.

 

Here is how it should sound:

 

Ike & Tina Turner - River Deep Mountain High

 

Never mind being on trial for murder. He should have gone on trial for what he did to ruin the intimate heartfelt hymn "Long & Winding Road" that Paul McCartney wrote in memory of his mother, Mary recorded by the Beatles and he turned it into a proto-Westlife track.

 

This is how it sounded before Phil Spector ruined it:

 

The Beatles - The Long & Winding Road (1969 version)

Not unlike Stock Aitken & Waterman 1980s productions & Motown's Funk Brothers core of musicians who played on all the 1960s Motown tracks, Phil Spector's earliest work was by far his best. Listen to the Teddy Bears To Know Him Is To Love Him, or his work with the Girl Groups The Crystals, The Ronettes & Darlene Love especially on the seminal Christmas album "A Christmas Gift for You".

 

But by the time he was producing the Righteous Brothers, Beach Boys & Ike & Tina Turner his productions and string arrangements were becoming crude and over intrusive to the detriment of the songs in question due to his increasing dependents on narcotics and excessive egotistic & erratic behaviour. And don't get me started on what he did to ruin the Let It Be album........

oh i wont defend his ruining any beatle track...

but i loved his ott production on 'river deep, mountain high'.. which imho was the turners best moment too.

I disagree.

 

Did Busted or McFly ever play the music festivals like the V Festival, Glastonbury, etc? The answer is No.

 

Yet the likes of Robbie Williams & Mel C DID play these festivals in the late 1990s/early 2000s.

 

Hence, Robbie & Mel C went after the same indie audience that was going to see Oasis, the Verve, Blur, Supergrass, Ash, Manic Street Preachers, Charlatans, etc. Whilst Busted & Mcfly were just pop acts with guitars, the indie generation wanted nothing to do with them because they saw right through them for what they were = Manufactured Pop Acts (albeit ones who could write their own material & play their own instruments).

 

Your comment with regards Busted & Mcfly are about as ridiculous as saying that the massively inferior Avril Lavigne or Kelly Clarkson turned more US teenagers onto alternative rock music in America than Alanis Morrissette. Or saying that Tori Amos is responsible for influencing all these ethereal female artists today like Feist, Alison Goldfrapp, Bats For Lashes, etc instead of Kate Bush.

but that audience were still at school whilst robbie and mel c were playing the festivals! ... its a generation thing. busted, avril DID capture a whole NEW generation... im telling you this because i know many who have followed this progression. in 02 there wasnt many young teens 12-14 who were into robbie nor melc, busted and avril captured the new generation... making guitar pop popular with the young. those 12-14 year olds are now 18-20 year olds who are into 'indie' , its their music, they dont know of or care about alanis morrisette, tori amos, or even kate bush! it aint their generation.

i joined totp music boards in 02, became active more in 03-4, when that closed down many of us went onto a private site... including grimly and kate (la la land). ive seen the transition from young people who first liked busted, getting into evenescence and the rasmus, and onward to embrace indie and rock.

so it matters not what went before this generation got into music... busted/lavigne was the catalyst for a whole new generation of music fans to adopt a new identity, and it was this popularity that created the market for the current 'indie' trend, it had nothing to do with robbie or melc... (whos rubbish anyway) (mel c... robbies cool).

Spot on, I agree that was Dusty's best track:

 

Dusty Springfield - Goin' Back (1966) :wub:

For those of you unfamiliar with Phil Spector's Wall of Sound & Ronnie Spector's voice:

 

Ronettes - Be My Baby (1964)

i reckon phil spectors greatest production was ike and tina turners version of 'river deep, mountain high'.. the 'wall of sound' at its best.

but is it a qualification to be inducted selling records? or being an influencial , inovative musician?..

dont get me wrong, dc5 were ok at pop, like hermans hermits, dave dee etc, tremoloes... lightweight pop acts like that all of whom had their place, but because they were 'second division' they are being inducted well before their time , queue jumping over more deserved acts.

You are giving Busted & Mcfly, way way way too much credit than they deserve.

 

Give credit where it is due, Robbie Williams was doing that years earlier before Busted & McFly were out of school:

 

Don't you remember the outrage amongst the NME & its readers when "the fat dancer out of Take That" was booked for Glastonbury by Michael Eavis. With many music critics predicting he'd get bottled off the stage.

 

Well look what happened, probably the most defining set since Queen played Live Aid & a star was born and the rest is history:

 

Robbie Williams - Angels (Live at Glastonbury)

but robbie was the previous generations 'blue eyed boy', and he didnt inspire nor create the groundwork for todays indie kids. i know, because i know plenty of teens who are now into rock/indie who started out when younger as busted fans. it was a natural progression from a 12/13 year old discovering pop music (and busted DID do good lively gigs... they had fun!) who are now wandering around as 17 /18 year old 'indie kids', and have little or no interest in robbie!

robbie wasnt really dooing it anyway.. he was a singer, not a pop group. robbies fanbase is older.

Mercy would be an excellent Dusty-like #1 followup to one of the best songs ever, You Don't Have To Say You Love Me?. Feels that way to me anyhoo. :P

disagree... the follow up was her best ever recording imho... 'goin back'

well its probably the right decision, not only is he putting himself at risk but also his fellows are at a hightend risk too..

i mean, if we thought bin laden was stationed in THAT village wouldnt we try extra hard to get him?..

I have a nasty feeling that even if Obama is made President - some far-right nutter will assassinate him within a short time.... :(

i think you are possibly right there m8.

When you look outside the cheesy fluff that the DC5 did Smith was for me one of the all time great British vocalists in terms of power and delivery, sure much of what he did with DC5 was $h!te but he still sung it brilliantly but it was his latter stuff that I will remember him for i.e Mike Smith's Rock Engine and the 2 albums "Good time rock n roll" and "More good time rock n roll", his version of "Bring It On Home To Me" was 2nd only to Sam Cooke's version for me out of the god knows how many different renditions of the classic song I have heard

 

Having heard him outside of all the cheesy fluff of the DC5 I would put him among the 3 or 4 best British vocalists I have ever heard

fair comment...

whats the problem with gray being bi?.... its a NON STORY, why should katie be worried by it?.. shes screwed him, she should therefore know wether she turns him on or not!

just because he has had a gay relationship doesnt make him any more likely to cheat!!! so there nothing to worry about... its a non story.

Im so angry at the yanks for leaking this. He has the same right as every other man to be there, he wants to serve his country which is a rarity nowadays. Now that its leaked, all of his troops are at risk. Stupid bloody americans screw up again.

spot on!!!

hes probably at as much risk from their 'friendly fire' as the bleeding taliban!

i think the dumbing down of history has more to do with the 'pc brigade' not wanting to offend , or relate to ethnics, a subject that WASNT their past.

history is very important, it teaches us who we are, how we became who we are, and highlights the best and worst of our heritage...lessons to be learnt.

and i bitterly dissagree that they should be in the hall of fame... they were moderately successful but were TOTALLY un-influencial, unlike other groups around at the time....

tbh the yardbirds should be already in there, with the likes of clapton, beck and page, they made inspiring music which still influences music today... and of course the yardbirds evolved into led zeppelin!!!

I agree that is a great analogy.

 

While I think Rob is spot on about how Pete Waterman ruined changed the definition of what pop music was in the late 1980s that did not really change until (forget Busted & McFly) the late 1990s when pop hits like these appeared in the aftermath of Britpop:

 

Robbie Williams - Old Before I Die

 

Melanie C - Goin' Down (aka the Kevin Keegan Magpies 2008 theme tune :lol:)

true.. but theres always been the occassional 'heavy' sound around... i cite busted as the ones that changed the flavour of pop music because they were a traditional pop group and had a huge teenage girl following... much as the beatles, slade, trex etc had..

busteds success made guitar pop fashionable amongst the young and paved the way for the current 'indie' scene to flourish. they caught the imagination of the young who soon turned their heads to 'better' music. evanescence and the rasmus (bring me to life & in the shadows) had huge success as 'bustedettes' who soon grew up turned to a 'new' look..

i know several local kids who have followed this route..

possibly the biggest load of nonsense ever committed to vinyl! :lol:

theres gotta be drugs conortations in there surely.

oh well... thats life... at least he will be remembered unlike most of us!

strange how the americans took favourably to our 'second rate' pop groups.. dc5, hermans hermits, whilst they may well have produced some decent pop they were never in the same league as their contemporarys... the stones, who, kinks, yardbirds, small faces...