Mushymanrob

fully agree with you! :lol: yep i cant stand la roux either.

exactly, i mean, what was the point in starting it?... just to get a cheap laugh by shocking people?.. there was a golden opportnity there to raise issues in a comedic way and they failed... its like they started out then chickend out of completing it.

.... you arnt going to get the musical intelligencia subscribing to the brits are you.. and was still a league better then cheryl cole.

my spelling has always been bad ... i over think it! erm.. simIlarity, competEnt ?... lol.

it gets dafter.... as if that kid could pass off as 14, as if hed go with that old cow... dunno how much lower it can sink, maybe they ought to try injecting some humour back into it..

norma!!! theres no simularity between cole and williams, williams IS a fully paid up competant performer, cole is a fake. exactly! singing isnt their job....

another excellant post zippy.. :) however, i think teardrop explodes are known for 'reward' by most.... i prefer 'when i dream' anyway! drummond referd to waterman as a 'genius'? was that sarcastic? and caulty recorded for S/A/W ? ...oh dear, i find that uncomfortable! :lol:

another great show! i know its pretty meaningless , i know its corporate back slapping, but ive always had a soft spot for the tradition that is the brits. sam fox?...oh dear... desperately trying to make light of her debacle from '89 .... and only made it WORSE! :lol: what a complete failure, she has no charisma and no idea how to host. all she has done is compound the past and add a new generation of people to laugh at her. peter kaye.... brilliant! highlight was calling liam gallagher a 'nobhead' :lol: for chucking his award into the crowd ... exactly what we were thinking! gaga?... a well deserved winner, a superb performer, creative, individual (but not really original) but i didnt like her shy american acceptance speeches .... thought all the performances were good/great .... except one.... guess! :lol: how tf has this escaped chavette (rescued from jeremy kyles participants, cos thats where she would have been if she wasnt lucky enough to be picked for a role in girls aloud) cheryl coles performance was DIRE. it was disgraceful, every week this tawdry bint has the audacity to judge 'wannabes' on the x factor then when it comes down to it she cannot produce the goods herself ...hell.. she wasnt even a good mimer!!! some say she can sing...then why doesnt she? or are her abilities that limited that she cannot multitask? energetic routines? then calm them down if she cannot perform! shes a singer, not a dancer... or supposed to be. real artistes CAN do both... kate bush managed 30 years ago when she pioneered the use of radio mics for her tour. cheryl cole = fraud, fake, and should be dropped by the x factor. just proves that 'look good' doesnt equate to IS good. i dont like jls, i was disappointed they won anything, but ill not take away the fact they can perform live. enjoyed robbie., lilly, kasabian, florence, jay z , dizzy etc. hate fearne cotton.... her style of presenting is child like...shes supposed to be 28 (?) not 12,.

my worry is that unscrupulous reletives might try to use it to get rid of a burden... but then again a precise law could legislate against this whilst allowing genuine cases to be legalised.

burst onto the music scene with the 60's chart topper classic 'go now' in 1964. after which they didnt really bother the singles chart too much ... apart from the way ott sentimental 'nights in white satin ' either a great love song or the biggest load of cheese ever! you decide... 'question' and 'isnt life strange' (70 72) were decent singles but the best IMHO was 'ride my see saw' from '68. the band concentrated mainly on albums, striking up a very respectable portfolio of success. ive got 'days of future passed', but tbh wasnt impressed. i kinda got the feeling they courted mainly middle ground, appealing to ageing beatles fans and 'nice' people who behaved themselves! :lol: thoughts?

after revelations on 'inside out' last night (bbc 1 7 pm) veteran broadcaster ray gosling is being interviewed by the police following admissions that he helped his terminally ill partner to die. he was wracked in pain, dying of the effects of aids... no way back, just slowly suffering. he asked the doctor to leave the room, he then suffocated his partner with a pillow, thus ending his suffering. should he be prosecuted? should the doctor be prosecuted (as some have suggested)?

i think the problem with that is that many might not know exactly when the pop idol era began.. i dont! :lol: what i dont want is for retro to be swamped by threads that although relate to 'oldies' (5 - 10 years) arnt really pertainent as they could refer to very similar sounds around today. after all, many tracks from 8 years ago wouldnt sound dated today... retro has 50 years to chose from, id sooner attract convo about REAL retro as opposed to recent retro. im leaning towards keeping the 'cut off date' as y2k, but relaxing the boundary if the subject matter isnt akin to todays music... ie girls aloud, sugababes etc. keep thoughts coming guys! :)

1. Kajagoogoo - Too Shy ........ ok kiddy pop song 2. Men At Work - Down Under.... one for the grown ups! better. 3. Belle Stars - Sign Of The Times .... i like this nice uplifting track. 4. Tears For Fears - Change ...... yep, another decent pop song 5. Michael Jackson - Billie Jean ..... one of his better tracks (from a non-fan) 6. Toto - Africa..... quite like this 7. Joe Cocker & Jennifer Warnes - Up Where We Belong.... awful. 8. Wham - Wham Rap...oh dear, whites rapping!!! twas all the rage back then... 9. Fleetwood Mac - Oh Diane .... awful mor crap 10. Eddy Grant - Electric Avenue .... annoying. 11. Laura Branigan - Gloria... didnt like this 12. China Crisis - Christian ..... good track 13. Indeep - Last Night A DJ Saved My Life .... ok 14. Fun Boy Three - Tunnel Of Love.... didnt like 15. Thompson Twins - Love On Your Side 16. Musical Youth - Never Gonna Give You Up 17. Phil Collins - You Can't Hurry Love ...ok cover, its a great track so twould be hard to ruin 18. Echo & The Bunnymen - The Cutter..... great track! 19. Dire Straits - Twisting By The Pool.... awful bland coldplay of their day. 20. Wah - Story Of The Blues ... horrible track, i found that this sell out single (he did FAR superior work, check out 'better change' as wah heat) was one 'non music lovers' (you know, those that dont really listen to music, just cherry pick odd tracks) like.... 21. U2 - New Year's Day ... imho their best track! 22. Depeche Mode - Get The Balance Right... ok 23. Haysi Fantayzee - Shiny Shiny...... BRILLIANT! 24. Madness - Tomorrow's Just Another Day 25. Central Line - Nature Boy 26. Prince - 1999 27. Elvis Presley - Jailhouse Rock 28. Thin Lizzy - Cold Sweat 29. Level 42 - The Chinese Way....:) good track 30. Joe Jackson - Steppin' Out 31. Billy Griffin - Hold Me Tighter In The Rain 32. Rockers Revenge & Donnie Calvin - The Harder They Come 33. Spandau Ballet - Communication 34. Icehouse - Hey Little Girl ...... :) good track sounding very 'japan' -ish. 35. Patti Austin & James Ingram - Baby Come To Me 36. Jam - Going Underground/Dreams Of Children 37. OMD - Genetic Engineering 38. Eurythmics - Sweet Dreams (Are Made Of This)...never 'got' the eurythmics after their first release (never gonna cry again). 39. Marillion - He Knows You Know 40. Cliff Richard & Phil Everly - She Means Nothing To Me

where? what an awful chart, theres nothing in there that warrents a mention imho. ok at best, utter tripe the rest.

oh thats bad news.... pity hes only 4 years older then me :unsure: 'my sharrona' was a great hit.

i agree.

maybe its time to re-think the boundaries. 03 was 7 years ago now ... y2k was a conveiniant boundary to set and that was set in 07.... or 8...lol. but many of the artists going in 03 and musical styles are still contemporary today so isnt really retro... thoughts anyone?

because they are! oh and look at brian and tip's responses... seems we are in braod agreement. this chart is the exact opposite of the one posted from 1968 .... which 36 / 40 were good.

'born of frustration' is the outstanding class track there imho... the rest is pretty lame, the i like the wonderstuff, pearl jam and one or two others.

now THIS is what you call a chart... packed full of great tracks! 1. Manfred Mann - Mighty Quinn ......... silly but catchy pop 2. Love Affair - Everlasting Love ........ fantastic cover crackin pop song! 3. Amen Corner - Bend Me Shape Me..... ok 4. Engelbert Humperdinck - Am I That Easy To Forget... wish you were.... crap 5. Solomon King - She Wears My Ring........ awful! 6. John Fred & The Playboy Band - Judy In Disguise... fantastic one hit wonder, crackin pop 7. Tremeloes - Suddenly You Love Me .... one of their better efforts 8. Brenton Wood - Gimme Little Sign..... another great o-h-w 9. Status Quo - Pictures Of Matchstick Men... their first and possibly best chart hit. 10. Move - Fire Brigade.... another crackin pop song... 11. Herman's Hermits - I Can Take Or Leave Your Loving... even herman was good!!!!! 12. Beach Boys - Darlin'...... like this 13. Bee Gees - Words....... good 14. Georgie Fame - The Ballad Of Bonnie & Clyde.... great pop again! 15. Plastic Penny - Everything I Am..... what a fantastic o-h-w !!! 16. Alan Price Set - Don't Stop The Carnival.... yep good 17. Monkees - Daydream Believer..... monkees = good! 18. Foundations - Back On My Feet Again..... poor 19. Moody Blues - Nights In White Satin..... a great love song or ott slushy rubbish? 20. Tom Jones - I'm Coming Home..... at least he could SING! 21. Anita Harris - Anniversary Waltz..... rubbish 22. Don Partridge - Rosie.... oh another fantastic track! 23. Lemon Pipers - Green Tambourine... and another! :) 24. Small Faces - Tin Soldier.... and yet ANOTHER! 25. Beatles - Magical Mystery Tour EP.... brilliant! 26. Four Tops - Walk Away Renee... good motown 27. Symbols - The Best Part Of Breaking Up.... :) like this 28. American Breed - Bend Me Shape Me .... the original... ok 29. Sandie Shaw - Today.... not her best 30. Martha Reeves & The Vandellas - Honey Chile...? 31. Engelbert Humperdinck - The Last Waltz.... awful 32. Esther & Abi Ofarim - Cinderella Rockefella..... oh dear 33. Louis Armstrong - What A Wonderful World/Cabaret..... hmmm 34. Herd - Paradise Lost.... brilliant track! 35. Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick & Tich - The Legend Of Xanadu... class pop, pop at it best 36. Smokey Robinson & The Miracles - I Second That Emotion... wonderful soul track 37. Bee Gees - World ...... ok 38. Traffic - Here We Go Round The Mulberry Bush..... good track! 39. Tony Blackburn - So Much Love....awful 40. Diana Ross & The Supremes - In And Out Of Love .... more great soul. i own 29 of that chart... one of the all time best charts imho.

easy steve harley & cockney rebel john lennon slade david essex the rest is the biggest pile of doggy doo doo ever... utter cack. todays chart is better.

too right! i bought that! tiswas was brilliant! it pissed all over the insipid, wet, bland, swap shop and cut the template for saturday morning kids tv ever since.

erm... retro = PRE y2k m8 :) UK Top 40 Singles - week ending 17th February 2001 1. Atomic Kitten - Whole Again ..... annoying but catchy pop song 5. Fun Lovin' Criminals - Loco...... quite good 12. Planet Funk - Chase The Sun...... good track! 15. Rui Da Silva ft Cassandra - Touch Me ...... likes this :) 22. Eminem - Stan ..... easily his best track, classic. 28. Thrillseekers ft Sheryl Deane - Synaesthesia (Fly Away) brilliant track! 38. S Club 7 - Never Had A Dream Come True...... guilty pleasure!!!!

seems to me that over the last 20 odd years theres been a lack of great american tv shows.... the ones that appealed to the whole family... in the 60's there was classic dramas like perry mason, star trek and the man from uncle .... comedies like lucille ball, bewitched and rowan and martins laugh in... and westerns like rawhide, the virginian, bonanza and the high chaparal. come the 70's detective serise took over (dramas were still repeated) ironside (started in the late 60's) kojak, cannon, mc cleans law, starskey and hutch, rockford files and they died out slowly in the 80's with cagney and lacey, hill st blues etc. in the late 70's and throughout the 80's the great american soaps took over with dallas, dynasty, colbys, falcon crest .... but into the 90's interest in mainstream american programmes slowly died out. all we ever seem to get are silly sit coms like friends, frasier, etc. ok we have sex in the city and desperate houswives but tbh they arnt exactly family type programmes, they only really seem to appeal to a certain demograph. do you miss classic american dramas? which did you like?

erm...read my post m8! :P