Mushymanrob
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Well I'm in total agreement with mushymanrob on this.
If ever a post was Politically Correct "Doublespeak" then this^ is it.
In reply: Yes I do own NWA Straight Outta Compton & I own Public Enemy's Fear Of A Black Planet and I do know where they come from, because at that time Rap music was a lot more underground, therefore it needed to be more incendiary, politicised & relevant to a(n under) class of people not represented by musical culture at that point of time in the late 1980s.
As for Chris Rock well to be honest he is Oasis to Richard Pryor = The Beatles. Richard Pryor used a hell of a lot of profanities including the MF word to entertaining effect. But after being persuaded by Muhammad Ali to visit Africa in 1979 he realised that there is no place for the N word. He never used the word again in his stand up routines as he said in interviews thereafter that the best way of getting rid of hundred of years of racism is not to lower yourself to the level of using that offensive term that was used by our oppressors..
As I said before I never liked Emily Parr when she went into the house. She could well be a racist. But as I've said before what I don't like is double standards or more to the point considering it is big brother "Doublespeak". I have been consistent because I have always despised the likes of 2Pac, 50 Cent & Snoop Dogg for using that word. If it is OK for these people to use that word (Personally I think that word is unacceptable. Period), and there records to be broadcast & bought by a Caucasian audience then it is Politically Correct hypocrisy to turn around and say oh no you can't use that language but Afro-Caribbeans can use that word (As of the end of yesterday Charley has used that word 16 times in the BB house).
This is what the majority of people have complained about including a significant amount of non-Caucasians because Channel 4's Big Brother has abused its power and discriminated against a housemate because of their skin colour when they could have had an interesting debate within the house to decide her fate or as she was up for the public vote, she would have almost certainly have been voted out.
If you think it is justified to have one rule for Caucasians then another for Non-Caucasians then you are inadvertently allowing the justification for ANY type of DISCRIMINATION on the grounds of racial, ethnic, religious, nationalistic/State, heredity, etc against another subordinate. Because racism is racism.
The whole point of George Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four which pictures a nightmare vision of the doublespeak future, in which the tyranny of Big Brother presides over a grimly homogenized state in which War is Peace and Lies are Truth. Was all about the fate of freedom in the age of "the super power and the super-corporation, which are hybridized in the brutal monstrosity of Big Brother's regime, The Party. It is a superb lecture on the abuses of power (at the time George Orwell said it was irrelevant whether The Party was Nazism, Communism, Fascism as it represented the restriction of freedom, creativity, imagination, history and the truth).
Looking at today's society whether it is Simon Cowell telling the world what good and what is bad singing/music is, with Political Correctness ever more rampant, with education and the media increasingly more dumbed down then ever in my lifetime, with Politics becoming all about image & spin and popularity instead of intellect, debate & content (where are the Tony Benn, David Owen or Michael Heseltine in today's UK politics), where we can go to war in a foreign country on a lie....... I think George Orwell's vision of the future has come true.
Oh by the way you may have missed this story:
Last Updated: Tuesday, 12 June 2007, 07:41 GMT 08:41 UK
US teen sex sentence overturned
BBC News
A US judge in Georgia has overturned a ruling in which a 17-year-old man was imprisoned for 10 years for having consensual oral sex with a teenager.
Genarlow Wilson, now 21, was jailed in 2005 for aggravated child molestation after he was videotaped engaging in the act with a 15-year-old girl.
The judge amended Mr Wilson's felony sentence to 12 months for misdemeanour.
The ruling has not led to his release, however, as Georgia's attorney-general has said he will be filing an appeal.
The case has provoked controversy in the US with high profile figures, such as former President Jimmy Carter, supporting the release of Mr Wilson.
'Miscarriage of justice'
Mr Wilson, a former high school honours student and star athlete, was found guilty by a jury of aggravated child molestation for having oral sex with a 15-year-old girl at a New Year's Eve party in 2003.
At the time the crime carried a mandatory minimum sentence of 10 years and a lifetime registration on the state's sexual offender list.
Under Georgia law, if Mr Wilson had engaged in sexual intercourse with the girl he would have only been charged with a misdemeanour and would have received a much lighter sentence.
In his ruling on Monday, Superior Court Judge Thomas Wilson ordered Mr Wilson's release and said he would not be required to register as a sex offender.
"If any case fits into the definitive limits of a miscarriage of justice, surely this case does," he said.
"The fact that Genarlow Wilson has spent two years in prison for what is now classified as a misdemeanour, and without assistance from this court will spend eight more years in prison, is a grave miscarriage of justice."
However, Attorney-General Thurbert Baker said he would file an appeal against the ruling, stating that Georgia law did not give a judge authority to reduce or modify the sentence imposed by a trial court.
Mr Wilson's lawyer, BJ Bernstein, said: "It is extremely, extremely disturbing that the attorney general would take this action now."
"In essence, the attorney general is saying, 'Keep Genarlow Wilson in prison for 10 years and keep him on the sex offender registry'," she added.
She is planning to apply for a bond to release Mr Wilson while the appeal is pending.
But a public affairs officer for the state department of corrections said Mr Wilson could not be released until they received guidance from the state attorney general's office or from the court that originally sentenced him.
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The 17 year old "convicted" boy was Black the 15 year old girl was White. Now that is what I call racism!
But hey this story is not as important as an a contestant in the Apprentice getting fired from her job is it? :rolleyes:
excellant post.... wish i was as eloquent!!! lol..
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You're just not getting it are you mate...? You'd probably understand my point a LOT better if you had listened to some NWA or Ice-T records and actually heard what they had to say on the subject of race, and there IS a difference between the directly confrontational, agit-prop approach of these guys and the rather apathetic "I got my bling, my bitches and hos" approach of rappers nowadays who just say the word with no real context.... But you've said your knowlege of Rap whether old or new is somewhat limited, so I guess that's the reason you're missing the point.... Mind you, I would've thought that by watching the Chris Rock routine the differentiation would be obvious..... Apparently not....
Bottom line, Emily Parr using the N-word is NOT an example of the oppressed turning the oppressor's language back on the oppressor, she IS the "oppressor" (not in a literal sense of course, but in a sense that she belongs to the historical Oppressor Group..), anyone with even a rudimentary knowledge of language, linguistics and history should know this.... And seeing as how she is a University student (in BRISTOL no less, a very mixed ethnic population there...), she has less excuse than the average person to be this blindly ignorant.... No, I dont believe it was all "innocent" at all mate, you;re looking at her doe-eyed blond purrrdinesss and falling for the whole "look at me, I'm innocent routine"... Her self-confessed Right Wing views immediately get me suspicious. I reckon if she was a bloke, there wouldn't be half as much of this gushy outpouring of sympathy for her... Right Wing = Racist in the VAST majority of cases, it's only in very rare circumstances like our Craig that you get people with Right Wing views who are committed anti-Racists....
no id suggest that YOU are the one not getting it! it doesnt matter if they use it or not, the point is that equality is equality, the same law for one as another... you cannot have an aparthide, if you say that these can say something but others cant then thats discimination. it breeds contempt and unrest.
you are quick to assume that emily is racist because shes right wing... but say not one word of condemnation for the lyrics these rappers use against white women! strewth if white men had sang them lyrics about black women there would be an outrage!
im all for EQUALITY and that means EQUALITY, not some orwelian some pigs are equal but some are more equal then others concept...
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I totally agree. But then again I regard my self as a common sense working class social democrat not a Left-wing Politically Correct person.
Besides, a large number of people share mine & Rob's view on this subject.
Yesterday, Lenny Henry spoke out against what Big Brother & Channel 4 did as it smacked of tokenism and feels that it could harm rather than improve race relations.
Also a number of non-caucasian former housemates (Narinder BB2; Jon BB4; Victor BB5 & Makosi BB6 - she claimed a housemate used the three letter W word towards her as well as the N word; have been in the papers over the weekend, complaining that racist comments have been made before whilst in the house, but they were edited out of the programme.
But the best post is:
Racist? Emily's only mistake was to act black
by ALISON HAMMOND (This Morning Showbiz reporter & Loose Women presenter & former BB3 contestant)
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Last updated at 12:57pm on 9th June 2007
You can call Emily Parr many things. Posh, arrogant, clever, kind, sexy (in an icy, Sharon Stone kind of way), polite, drama queen, diplomatic, thoughtful - an OK Yah Sloane desperate to get some street cred by ingratiating herself with indie culture.
Yes, she is all of the above. But even her worst enemy would struggle to call Emily Parr a racist.
Yet today the shell-shocked 19-year-old is back at home in Bristol with a capital 'R' effectively branded on her porcelain forehead after Channel 4 turfed her out of the Big Brother house for directing an offensive term at a fellow housemate.
Poor Emily. She is the loser in a much more complex game than anything played out on a Channel 4 reality show. It's a game in which the card of racism is now enough to trump any other.
In this confusing, multicultural game, you can be a black male rapper talking about women in the most disgusting, gynaecologically-specific terms on the radio. You can even use the offensive n-word, the one Emily used just once, over and over again and no one will dare to breathe a word of criticism.
But if you are white, like Emily Parr, and you make the mistake of thinking you enjoy equal status in this game, then boy, are you in trouble.
For those who may have missed the 'offence' itself, allow me to recap. It was getting late and Emily was in the garden of the Big Brother house with her black housemate, Charley Uchea.
The girls were smoking, laughing and generally bonding as they practised a rap routine. If you were asked for a snapshot of racial harmony in Britain, you could do a lot worse than point to those two beautiful young women from diverse backgrounds helping each other to hit the same note.
Emily, it should be said, was one of the few people in the house who had any time for Charley.
An unemployed lapdancer, Charley has two speeds: Angry and Nuclear. If you were being tactful, you might say Charley is poorly socialised.
She scares the other housemates in the way that volcanic bully, Jade Goody, scared them in the now notorious Celebrity Big Brother.
Still, Emily stuck by Charley. She even put her body between Charley and Chanelle, when it looked as if the Afro-Caribbean girl might actually boil over and strike the petite northerner.
It was just a few hours later, when the black girl and the white girl were singing outside, that an over-excited Emily exclaimed to her new mate: "You pushing it out, you n*****!"
At best, it was a playful joke. At worst, it was a nice middle-class gel's cringemaking attempt to hang with the cool chick in an edgy, urban world.
Well-bred white girls slipping off their loafers to take a walk on the wild side is scarcely news. When Samantha Cameron was an art student at Bristol polytechnic, the Tory leader's wife and baronet's daughter was taught to play pool by the rap star Tricky.
But if white girls slumming it has a history, so does the explosive n-word that Emily used so publicly and so naively. Coming out of a white mouth, that word still has the power to hurt.
Emily's mistake was to think she could act black. And Channel 4 pounced. You could practically hear the producers' cheer. Bingo! They had got their sacrificial lamb.
It was no use Emily protesting that, only seconds earlier, Charley herself had used the n-word. Nor that, among black friends at home, Emily is often called 'wigger' - an affectionate reference to her genuine love of black culture.
Desperate to exonerate itself after the shaming shambles of Shilpagate, here was Channel 4's chance to prove it was a responsible broadcaster after all.
A bleary Emily was summoned to the Diary Room and told she had done something so terrible she was to be spirited away at dead of night in a yellow nightie and no undies.
As far as Big Brother's girly housemates are concerned, not being granted full access to your make-up bag before eviction is in breach of their human rights, but these too were cruelly ignored.
Guilty of under-reacting to the dumb viciousness of Jade Goody and her coven, Channel 4 now over-reacted. "But I'm a kind person," protested Emily, "I didn't mean it like that."
And she really didn't. But she had said the word, and in these politically-correct times that was enough.
Emily should have been sent to the communal bathroom to wash her mouth out with soap and water, not hung out to dry.
Where does this leave racism? I don't mean Emily's embarrassing attempt at black patois. I mean the nasty, ignorant, unmistakable racism we sometimes witness in the real world.
The Commission for Racial Equality doesn't seem to notice the difference. "The n-word is offensive," said spokesman Nick Johnson, responding to Emily's eviction. "This will show everyone that racism must never be tolerated in any way shape or form."
Oh really? On the contrary, I'm afraid that Channel 4's cynical and grossly unfair use of Emily as a scapegoat might have exactly the opposite effect. It undermines the very thing it purports to protect. I overheard a black friend and an Asian woman talking about Big Brother yesterday.
"It's gone too far," they said. "She was taken out of context. What can you say these days?" What indeed.
When Emily Parr entered the house she said it was time to get some intelligent women on television.
How sad and how deluded to think that intelligence was any match for the moronic sensationalism that Big Brother so glories in.
After expelling her, Channel 4 got the headlines it wanted. It acted ruthlessly to get its good name back and to preserve its cash cow at a time when many were calling for Big Brother to be axed.
And what of Emily Parr's name? That is now mentioned on the website Facebook next to "dirty racist". Two words she simply does not deserve.
In an irony that will not be lost on BB viewers or students of race relations, the broadminded, articulate, peacemaking Emily has been kicked out of the house to general vilification, leaving the aggressive, rude, potentially violent but blessedly black Charley in the role of victim.
If we honestly cannot tell the difference between a word and the intention behind that word then what right has this multicultural society of ours to call itself fair and tolerant?
If anyone is the victim of discrimination here, it's Emily Parr.
absolutely... spot on.
id also add.. if she was racist then surely she wouldnt be hanging around with the black girls! i think she was tring to be another aishleyn (or however it was spelt) but failed, due to the troubles last cbb.
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i wouldnt like it to be the end of bb... i suspect that something similar would be created anyway.
if the word 'n/igger' is offensive then it is offensive right across the board, and not selectively. if gangsta rappers use it then of COURSE others will think its ok to use it! its plain common sense.
so it should either be totally banned, or not banned when used like emily did, out of crass stupidity. as her intent wasnt one of malice then for me it wasnt a 'sending off' offence.
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well seeing as this place seems to be for arrogant people who think their oh so clever Im off to the Lounge
You dont need to give a 1000 word reply though Scott because I wont come back to read so dont bother hurting your fingers over it
*groan* this post highlights our very point.
you can have whatever opinion you want to have... but as this forum is for debate and discussion you will need tobe able to support your stance. that is the ADULT way, its not about patronising or arrogance, its plain common sense. (the only people who do find us patronising and arrogant are the immature ones anyway who expect adults to talk all teen <_< )
ffs... fight your corner with reasoned thought and wether or not we agree is irrelevant. me and scott dont agree on many things but we respect eachothers view as we both have come to it by thought. it isnt about right or wrong, but about hearing differing views and the reason for them.
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Sorry, but actually read the forum guidelines yeah....? This is NOT the place for glib pronouncements like "Poor Paris, I feel sorry for her, everyone's so nasty to her" blah, blah..... You come on THIS forum and post, actually have something to say, or dont post at all......
EXACTLY scott.... theres too many people coming on here and making glib remarks, then creating when we talk down to them!... this isnt the lounge, thats where you go for nonsense talk.
either support your posts with reasoned thought or shut tf up!
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