superbossanova

So so much rubbish left here - Enrique Iglesias, Liberty X, Ronan Keating, Nickelback, Atomic Kitten (x2), Scooter, DJ Sammy, P!nk, S Club Juniors, Daniel Bedingfield, Shakira (Underneath Your Clothes) :puke: 2002 was such a terrible year in terms of big hits! (and even outside of the big hits it's a pretty poor year in comparison to others around it). Tough to pick just one to vote for... but I think I'll go for the cheesy dance as usual - DJ Sammy.

How? If you use top 10 hits as the yardstick rather than the Guiness definition (#1 hits and no other top 40s) then you have loads of songs we haven't "met in this game". Plus, statistically speaking, acts who start their career at #1 or #2 are probably less likely to be a one hit wonder as there's automatically more interest in them than an act who charts at #5 or #6 so the follow-up might not flop as much (case in point - Babylon Zoo's follow-up even made #17, so wouldn't qualify them as a one-hit wonder under my definition). There would only be a few songs from these games... Another game I'd like to see is this with more random positions (i.e. 2000s #14 Rate, 1990s #8 Rate, etc). It would be fun (for me) :D I disagree - using your definition, one of the most famous one-hit wonders of all-time (Chesney Hawkes) wouldn't qualify - his follow-up got to #27 :P I don't think there would be that many using your definition at all either, especially in the 1990s where it was far easier to scrape the top 40 so lots of one-hit wonder type acts would have something like a #5 - #26 chart career. I still think mine is better, but like I said I would exclude acts who made the 21-40 more than once after their hit (i.e. Taylor Swift). Maybe you're right that top 20 and no top 40 isn't particularly one-hit wonder ish, but I think charting just outside the top 10 is still a notable hit, maybe not so much in the lower top 20 though. If you make the top 15 you're more than likely going to be on a Now album anyway, which surely defines hit... :lol:

I wanted 90s #3s but that was thrown out :( Oh well. The 90s had some amazing #3 hits though. Maybe an idea for a series in the future is a one-hit wonder one. But not using the stupid Guiness definition which is far too narrow and wouldn't be that different to these rates. IMO any act who had a top 10 single but never made the top 20 again especially has a serious case to being a one-hit wonder (unless perhaps they made the 21-40 section multiple times), and maybe also top 20 (11-20) but never again top 40 depending on how many examples of those there are. And it would allow us to rate some more "interesting" and forgotten songs (which might also be a negative to be fair for the younger members, as some of them you would never hear anymore). Another problem is it gets complicated as some acts have released under different guises, particularly dance producers, so might only be a one hit wonder under one name - but that could easily be covered with some research. And I guess joint credited collaborations could get awkward if only one of them is a one-hit wonder. Also, I'm pleased to report my votes wouldn't have changed the outcome of the top 5 at all, as none of them would received votes from me! :lol: Not really. The voters for this have been far more alternative-based, with not many pop-based fans voting. This is shown clear as day in the fact that of the four rates that Daniel did, only one winner (Madonna) could be described as "non-alternative" - the others were Oasis, Pulp and now Gorillaz. I thought the 00s rate would attract more voters but it seemed with a few new additions it was the same people voting in the 80s and 90s one, for some reason :wacko:

If I had voted Ms Jackson would have been top 15 :angry: Oh well. La Roux would have been a little bit higher too. It's very little to do with sales. There was a slight increase in terms of new entries in the low-selling 2003-05 years (as you can see here) which could probably be atributed to lower sales to get in the top 40 but it was nothing drastic as you can see. The most new entries in one week happened in 1997 (which is also the "fastest" year ever in that respect) and that was far from low-selling. It's just the way singles were marketed in the physical days - everything very much geared to the first week in terms of price, promotion, shelf space, etc. If iTunes put all new releases at 59p on their first week we might start seeing an increase again (although I doubt it would go back to those levels), but I guess OA/OS kind of would make that harder anyway. And yes, it was good in those days. Back then you could listen to the top 40 and hear songs and bands you had never heard before :lol:

According to Everyhit: Sub Focus - Rock It / Follow The Light Sir Terry Wogan & Aled Jones / Sharon Corr - Silver Bells / Me And My Teddy Bear

Number of Double-A sides in the top 40 in each of the last 20 years: 1991 - 10 1992 - 19 1993 - 15 1994 - 17 1995 - 25 1996 - 15 1997 - 12 1998 - 12 1999 - 11 2000 - 12 2001 - 18 2002 - 23 2003 - 20 2004 - 25 2005 - 23 2006 - 7 2007 - 4 2008 - 6 2009 - 2 2010 - 1 By the way, I did this by searching the Everyhit database with "contains the word '/'" as the title, so I'm not responsible for any that were miscredited on there. Although I didn't notice any but then I didn't look that hard as I did this very quickly in like 10 minutes. So I guess the peak of the double-A side was 2001-2005 (even though more hit #1 between 1995-1999 as the first post shows), before downloads cut the number drastically right afterwards. No idea why 1995 had much more than all its surrounding years though. EDIT: Removed one from 2001 (Lighthouse Family) as I've just remembered it was a medley, not a double-A side.

Yes, but it's not the same thing. That's a complete separate category of its own. Similar, but not the same. The thing about album tracks is they usually, with a few exceptions, start with minimal airplay and then climb their way up the chart. Also in many cases they don't even start exploding properly until the video comes out (see, for example, the latest Katy Perry single). PROPER on air, on sale releases are following a completely different curve so shouldn't be put in the same category as album tracks. They debut high, drop a bit, stabalise, and then climb when the video comes out. The exception is stuff like Alexandra Stan which is basically an unknown release so has no airplay or buzz around it until people start hearing it because nobody knows who she is in this country. With an album release it's basically up, up, up all the time as your airplay is increasing from nothing/minimal to high as you move up the chart, and radio stations can immediately see the affect their support is having. An on air, on sale release would debut with high airplay automatically but then not necessarily make any in-roads afterwards. The former is much easy to market in most cases (unless you're stupid/clueless), while many record companies don't seem to have got the hang of marketing on air, on sale releases yet because it's a completely different ball game altogether and is more about timing in promotion and whatever before radio drops your song altogether after about 2 weeks because it's dropping down the charts already (like what happened with Run The World (Girls), for example).

Actually, now that I think about it some more (again :lol:), Iris was probably ineligible to chart on its own in 2006 because you had to have a physical release to chart back then, and if they paired the physical release with Stay With You then Iris was probably treated as a 'download only' release in this case. Then obviously from week-ending 13/01/2007 onwards the rules changed to allow anything to chart. However, all that would tell us is that anything before that date isn't Iris on its own, so it doesn't particularly clear up much confusion :lol:

Now that I think about it's a very odd and unique situation as I'm sure Iris must have been selling some downloads off the re-release but the protocol was for the physical single + download sales of the lead track to chart at the time (this is we know what happened with Leona so presumably this is what they did with all releases). Iris could have charted on its own at the time but didn't. I don't really understand the way Chartstats has labelled this release either but I'd imagine from January 2007 onwards it might have been just Iris on its own? Definitely by August 2007 anyway, as any physical would have been irrelevant to chart matters by then...

Actually, the thing about Heartbeat / Tragedy is that the former was actually the main single at first - as was written in the "90s Pop Rule Book, Chapter 4", Page 116, Paragraph 3 that dictated that every pop act should release a ballad during the winter/Christmas season, and I believe even the radio played Heartbeat far far more than Tragedy. It was only by some fluke that Tragedy somehow ended up becoming hugely popular in its own right. I think Tragedy must have been very popular at New Year's parties and the likes, hence it managing to sustain its sales well and climb to #1 perfectly after new year (I'm just guessing, of course). In a way they were both equally responsible for its success (even though Tragedy has very much come to overshadow Heartbeat now), so if anything it should definitely be equally credited. In a way it's kind of bizarre how it happened and I think Steps kept trying to repeat the trick on future singles with a ballad/uptempo double-A side but never quite managed it - as, like I said, it was a fluke :lol: It makes perfect sense. Stay With You was the main single that was promoted during 2006; Iris was tacked on for some bizarre reason but was originally released way back in 1998 and then again in 1999 as you probably know. I know you keep re-releases together but that is one occasion where you definitely shouldn't :lol: Although of course any re-entries for Iris on downloads should be listed along with the original releases of Iris in 1998/1999 in your situation.

:mellow: at all this from one throwaway comment I made. Only on this forum, honestly... For the record, I know perfectly well people can know songs before they were born/got into music. I mean, I'm the guy who seems to spend half his time on this forum talking about music from the 1990s when I only started getting into music in 1999! :lol: My comment was only tongue-in-cheek at Eric complaining about how Nelly's songs won't get played on the radio over James Morrison because they have rapping and percussion in when her first two albums were very much in his style.

I think it's excellent. It has a great rhythm and nice quirky (and very quotable) lyrics. Both are AMAZING, although I do prefer The Time Is Now so I was happy it was the bigger hit over Sing It Back. My favourite Moloko song is one of their early singles though - Fun For Me :wub: The irony here being that those of us older than about 16 remember when Nelly herself was a folk-styled singer/songwriter, not a million miles apart from James Morrison... :lol:

That's the first thing I noticed too. I haven't seen a Now disc so dominated by one genre since... 46? Second thing I noticed was the amount of minor hits they've included this time, although I think they were partly forced to do so as the charts are slower than they were a year ago and especially compared to two years ago. But I make it seven songs that have peaked outside the top 10 already, with a couple more very likely to do so (Cee Lo Green, Chase & Status, maybe Scouting For Girls). So it could be as many as 10 non-top 10 hits this time :o And some of those outside even the top 20 (Templecloud and Wynter Gordon already). I'd imagine there were problems with Gaga's record label last time. They probably wanted people to buy Born This Way individually, but now the fact that it's long gone and the album is out anyway means they don't care anymore and have no problem with it being on compilations. This is just guessing though, obviously. I like the tracklisting though. I did say a couple of pages back that I like it when the two discs have a different vibe and I think they definitely do this time.

And Birdy - Skinny Love was definitely an on air, on sale success. Why is this song so often forgotten in these kind of discussions? It only peaked at #17 but it had fantastic longevity, probably something it couldn't have achieved if it was held back. But the thing is, most British acts haven't even released on air, on sale! In reality the ratio of hits to flops is probably similar or the same as the one for American acts, it's just almost all American releases have been on air, on sale this year, while the majority of British releases haven't been, so it "looks" like American acts have had more success with it just by sheer volume. And if the likes of Example or DJ Fresh had released on air, on sale they would also have been huge successes (maybe not #1, but anyone who thinks they wouldn't have been high-selling top 5 hits is clearly retarded), it's just they didn't. It's not even fair to compare British and American acts when it's like this and the number of high profile British releases to use this method is not even in the same league in comparison to all the high profile American acts that have used it. Yes, but the only #1 from 2010 that was on air, on sale was (correct me if I'm wrong), the Black Eyed Peas. A couple of others like Usher and Flo Rida were released fairly early after only a couple of weeks of hype/promotion though, but those wouldn't be classified as "proper" on air, on sale. On the other hand, all British #1s were held back a month or more. That probably explains why I'm fully in support of on air, on sale with no exceptions then. I don't care where any acts or songs I like chart, I stopped that kind of emotional investment about 5 years ago :lol:

I have signatures turned off, and I rarely take part in the BuzzJack Chart Show thread (and when I do it's often just to post some hyperbole how good the 90s and/or early 00s retro top 10 is and then bugger off again :D). Last week I didn't even look in that thread at any time. Not sure how I missed it on the forum though! Obviously I wasn't paying much attention when it was on the first page, although I'm often only on this forum for like 30 minutes a day anyway. I'm quite annoyed I missed it though, especially as I've voted in EVERY round in all these rates (80s, 90s and 00s) and now miss the very last one :( And I'll probably be even more annoyed if I see later that I could have changed the winner by voting... By the way, I would have given my 15 to Outkast. You can add that in if you want :P Kidding.

I didn't vote either :( First time I haven't voted in one of these games, I didn't even see the thread?! iiO would have got VERY high points off me. Enough to lift it out of the dreaded bottom 10 anyway. Boo you all for not voting for it, it's absolutely wonderful, one of the best dance tracks of the 00s quite easily (and beaten by Infernal is a bit :mellow:)

Ones I like in blue (because bold looks ugly as hell): 1991 Color Me Badd - "I Wanna Sex You Up" 1992 Erasure - "Abba-Esque (EP)" 1993 Gabrielle - "Dreams" 1994 Wet Wet Wet - "Love Is All Around" 1995 Robson & Jerome - "Unchained Melody / The White Cliffs Of Dover" 1996 Fugees - "Killing Me Softly" 1997 Puff Daddy & Faith Evans - "I'll Be Missing You" 1998 Baddiel & Skinner & The Lightning Seeds - "Three Lions '98" 1999 The Vengaboys - "Boom, Boom, Boom, Boom!!!" 2000 Black Legend - "You See The Trouble With Me" 2001 Shaggy feat. Rayvon - "Angel" 2002 Elvis vs. JXL - "A Little Less Conversation" 2003 Evanescence - "Bring Me To Life" 2004 Britney Spears - "Everytime" 2005 Crazy Frog - "Axel F" 2006 Nelly Furtado - "Maneater" 2007 Rihanna feat. Jay-Z - "Umbrella" 2008 Coldplay - "Viva La Vida" 2009 David Guetta feat. Kelly Rowland - "When Love Takes Over" 2010 Shout For England feat. Dizzee Rascal & James Corden - "Shout" 2011 Example - "Changed The Way You Kiss Me" Looking at this list makes me :o at how fast time has gone - I vividly remember listening to the chart where Black Legend was announced as the new #1 as we were out in the park for the afternoon and I bought my radio walkman with me like I typically did on those occasions. 11 years ago now... :/ Probably one of the most forgotten #1s of the 21st century too, that. I figured I would like more in the 90s than the 00s but my birthday #1s in the 90s seem to be some of the worst in their respective years - talk about unfortunate! I hadn't realised how fabulous the last 10 years had been for me though, two dodgy ones aside. I HATE the song that was #1 when I was born so much - although if I had been born only one day later I would have had Jason Donovan instead which isn't much better.

There are loads and LOADS of people who hate the X Factor who don't even WATCH the show, they simply hate the concept of it. So I highly doubt they would even recognise a contestant on the show, let alone have any energy to hate her. She is in no way more hated than the show itself. There's a massive difference between pressing dislike on a YouTube video and actually wasting money to stop Cher from getting to #1. It's a very small minority who would do that. Most people honestly don't care that much about the charts or whether Cher gets a #1 single. Plus, there wouldn't be anywhere near enough time to gain support for a campaign to stop Cher from getting #1, unless it was a RATM-styled position of putting forward a song. Remember the RATM and even the Bird is the Word campaigns took months to build up their followers, so unless there's a campaign already starting now, I wouldn't hold your breath considering there's less than a month until it's out. But certainly a "buy the song at #2" would probably fail, as it would only be announced at the beginning of the week and have to somehow pick up enough support by the Saturday evening.

A campaign to stop Cher getting to #1? She's hardly as hated as the X Factor itself, and even that campaign failed last year. This will be a #1, sadly. The only good thing is it will knock JLS off, but I think I'd have to go back quite a while to find a couplet of #1s I'd like less (and no, I'm not just saying this to be overdramatic, going by the discussion earlier in the week about people proclaiming everything to be the worst #1 ever :lol:) The song is borderline novelty though, not helped by the juvenile lyrics and concept, so I wouldn't be that surprised if she was a one-hit wonder. Hardly a very good choice for a debut single if she wants to be taken as a more serious musician...

+15 Kelis - Trick Me +12 Aloe Blacc - I Need A Dollar +10 Kelly Rowland - Stole +8 Sonique - Sky +6 Artful Dodger & Romina Johnson - Movin' Too Fast +5 Mr Hudson feat. Kanye West - Supernova +4 Corinne Bailey Rae - Put Your Records On +3 Britney Spears - Piece Of Me +2 Samantha Mumba - Gotta Tell You +1 Supermen Lovers - Starlight -2 Ellie Goulding - Your Song

Jamelia - Superstar. Thank You was MUCH better and if that doesn't get into the top 10 then this doesn't deserve to either. Either way though, that actually won't be a bad top 10 in terms of representing 2003, bar the absence of R. Kelly and 50 Cent. And there's nothing I don't like here left.

The only one I can think of that hasn't been mentioned is Technohead's I Wanna Be A Hippy from 1996, peaking at #6. I imagine the rest must be from the 50s and 60s mostly when the chart was generally slower, but I'm not going to be the sad sap who goes looking for them :kink:

Decent results for 2001. Wheatus was hardly the best (although the freshest in most people's minds due to its recent top 40 re-appearance) but I did give them 3 points towards that victory so I can't exactly complain. The other three final qualifiers, however, were my top 3 which is quite rare and indeed most pleasing. +15 Aloe Blacc - I Need A Dollar +12 Wretch 32 feat Example - Unorthodox +10 Take That - The Flood +8 Tinie Tempah feat Labrinth - Frisky +6 Rihanna - Rude Boy +5 K'naan - Wavin' Flag +4 ADELE - Rolling In The Deep +3 Florence + The Machine & Dizzee Rascal - You Got The Dirtee Love +2 Chipmunk feat Chris Brown - Champion +1 Steps - It's The Way You Make Me Feel -2 Ellie Goulding - Your Song HORRIBLE selection here. Trying to pick a song to throw the last point to, and to give a -2 to, were both excruciatingly difficult tasks due to lack of choice and too much choice, respectively.

What an amazing year, love the top 8 :o Probably only 2000 and 2003 was better from the years we've rated, really. +15 Outkast - Ms Jackson +12 iio - Rapture +10 Sophie Ellis-Bextor - Murder On The Dancefloor +8 Usher - Pop Ya Collar +6 Ronan Keating - Lovin' Each Day +5 Supermen Lovers - Starlight +4 D12 - Purple Pills +3 Wheatus - Teenage Dirtbag +2 Steps - Chain Reaction +1 U2 - Stuck In A Moment You Can't Get Out Of -2 Gordon Haskell - How Wonderful You Are

WTF at Blu Cantrell going out :angry: That song is amazing! Very of its time though, but you guys don't understand what a tune it was for the SUMMER back in 2003 clearly. Silly people. At least Room 5 went out at the same time, what a terrible thing that was - so overplayed too (wasn't it the most played song of the year on radio? :manson:) just because it's one of the few "dance anthems" that Radio 2 actually got on board with (which says it all tbh). I think the Black Eyed Peas (Shut Up) next. Shocked Ignition is still here, clearly those three rounds or something where it was MIA helped it though.