superbossanova

Good results for 2000! Although the wildcard qualifiers are better than the final ones in my honest opinion - 3 excellent tracks there. :lol: at Martine below Baha Men - those damn kids, lifting that crap above a slice of pure disco-pop heaven! 2005 is an excellent year. Almost as good as 2000. +15 Kanye West - Gold Digger +12 Ashanti - Only U +10 Mariah Carey - We Belong Together +8 Gorillaz - Feel Good Inc. +6 Elvis Presley - Are You Lonesome Tonight? +5 Robbie Williams - Tripping +4 Snoop Dogg - Signs +3 Charlotte Church - Crazy Chick +2 Elvis Presley - Crying In The Chapel +1 U2 - City Of Blinding Lights -2 Elvis Presley - Wooden Heart

As usual - rubbish cover. Better than most of the other recent ones but not as good as 77. Tracklisting-wise, Bruno Mars, Adele, Jessie J, Rihanna, The Wanted, JLS, David Guetta, Chris Brown, Example, Nicole Scherzinger, Coldplay, Pitbull, Jennifer Lopez, The Saturdays, blah blah blah are all pretty much certs. There'll probably be a couple of random "WTF" inclusions and one surprising omission as seems to be per these days. Although with the slowing down of the charts they really have no excuse not to include almost every notable hit unless they can't get the rights to it. It'll be better than 78 at least (i.e. the worst Now! album ever). Why are the spring ones always so crap? The last spring one I liked was 60, and the last spring one that was actually my favourite of those released that year was 39!! Doubt it'll be as good as the last summer one though (76) unless the charts drastically improve in the next month.

XTM yet AGAIN. Isn't this usually the point the $h!tty dance goes out? At least this is around the point when Cascada and Eric Prydz were kicked to the kerb. Busta Rhymes will go this round though. It's one of my favourites. And when are you going to add Ignition back? I've pointed out it's not there for the last two rounds now. Maybe I didn't make it clear what I meant? :lol:

It would be nice but I guess it's a lot to ask for some people. I mean, if you only know five tracks, then that's 14 tracks you have to look up, which would take you at least 45 minutes to 1 hour. I looked up the ones I didn't know in the 1980s rate but then that was only a few each time, not that many, so I can understand it in that respect. The Sweet Female Atttitude song is very forgotten in terms of radio play, but it still pops up on an awful lot of garage and urban compilations. Likewise Donell Jones, which I own on about three different R&B compilations off the top of my head, as well as some of his follow-ups. Adelante is also very much overlooked in favour of some of Sash!'s other #2s (Stay, Encore Une Fois, Mysterious Times...), and Martine is probably the most forgotten of all :( Really? I'd say it was very obvious it was going to do well here - well-liked song by a popular and still relevant band that hasn't dated much at all and still gets a lot of airplay - so I'm not surprised if it's running away with it like I suspect it is. I just hope it doesn't win the whole thing. I used to love it but I long lost any joy I could get out of it and it's now a tad on the tedious side (although it's still a decent enough record, but that's not enough for points off me in a year like 2000!). Yeah, cringetastic but it was appropriate at the time. Just like three years later it was standard for the last generation of pop acts to slightly mature a bit. They were hardly the worst act at that time for that though - wasn't Viva La Radio in the charts around the time it was released? :lol: Re:Spice Girls - I think it depended on the song really. Wannabe was critically panned but that's not too surprising as it must have sounded ridiculously novelty at the time - I mean, a cheesy pop song with a rap bridge in it, and all this at the height of guitars in the charts? :heehee: And Spice Up Your Life ditto. Their ballads were definitely their most well-received singles in general though. I'd argue they were quite hated more for what they represented (i.e. being so obviously manufactured at a time when it wasn't so common), and then criticisms about their (lack of) singing ability followed them throughout their career - which makes it somewhat ironic their ballads were so well-received, as they're surely almost entirely about the voice. They were still amazing anyway. I'm pretty sure The Saturdays would kill for even 10% of their natural chemistry and personality - it might even help them get that #1 :lol:

Yes I know you were, but what has that got to do with anything? Kylie fans would probably like A Night Like This as it's a good example of a typical Kylie song, at least 00s-wise. But people who don't like her might hate it for the exact same reason. That was what I was trying to get across. Personally I can't stand those kind of Kylie songs - the ones I like are generally the ones that are a bit more interesting/different... :o Cheek! Be The First To Believe is a late 90s cheese classic! Don't forget Viva Forever - the one song even the most rampant Spice Girls hater seems to be able to admit is actually QUITE GOOD. I'd also say Five's Keep On Movin' but I'm not sure how positively received that was. I know that I adore it anyway :D Liberty X were supposed to be a cooler version of Hear'Say, yes, a bit like All Saints to the Spice Girls - hence why at the start of their career they slipped into the garage sound that was big at the time. Although over the years they got less and less credible and by the end of their career they were putting out $h!tty covers of 80s songs and doing terrible pop-rap songs :lol:

Ignition is still M.I.A... although I wouldn't mind it staying so for a while as I have a feeling it'd be getting the chop soon :( Voted for XTM again.

Yes, because everyone on this board is a Kylie fan :heehee: This is a general music forum, not a Kylie forum. I'm not a Kylie fan at all and On A Night Like This is just boring Kylie-by-numbers to me. Although the main reason I chucked it my -2 was because I knew it would be getting far more high points than it deserves and it was a vain attempt to knock it down a bit (which clearly won't work!) You said you had never even heard the A1 song last round. It's actually great and (although I like X-Press 2 as well and gave it higher points than A1 in the 2002 round) I'm glad it got through as it proves that some people can see a quality pop song regardless of who it's by. And also that sometimes the odd forgotten gem can slip through in this game rather than the same old overplayed/overfamiliar stuff.

+15 Sonique - Sky +12 Donell Jones - U Know What's Up +10 Artful Dodger & Romina Johnson - Movin' Too Fast +8 Martine McCutcheon - I'm Over You +6 Zombie Nation - Kernkraft 400 +5 Moloko - The Time Is Now +4 Samantha Mumba - Gotta Tell You +3 Bomfunk MC's - Freestyler +2 True Steppers & Dane Bowers feat. Victoria Beckham - Out Of Your Mind +1 Blink-182 - All The Small Things -2 Kylie Minogue - On A Night Like This

Where has the 3rd XTM voter gone? COME BACK right this instant please. And I just noticed, where has Ignition disappeared to? :unsure: He was dropped after one single. Shame as Keep Me A Secret was really excellent. There was a follow-up planned for the summer called Pretty Boys Pretty Girls but I don't think it was even heard let alone released. My favourite was Sinéad, though. I bought her album at the time (which NO ONE ELSE did :angry:) and it's very good in a younger Sheryl Crow (maturity-wise) kind of way. Haven't listened to it in years though :o David had his moments, too - I like Stop Living The Lie personally, and I also bought his floppy 3rd single Best of Order when it was released. They were all screwed over anyway - reality TV was becoming sooo out of vogue by mid-2003 due to mass saturation and never really came back en-masse until post-Leona, I'd say. Although obviously some reality acts managed to shed their tag and become credibile acts during that time (Will, Girls Aloud, Lemar).

New Kids on the Block had 4 #1s in America, and 'N Sync have the fastest-selling album of all-time in the US. You're right boybands have never been big in America though, apart from a period in the late 1990s/early 2000s with the teeny bopper phase. Although plenty of R&B boybands have done very well there - Jodeci, Silk, Boyz II Men, etc. Some would call these "vocal groups" though or something.

XTM again. Good to see it's keeping its 3 faithful voters (last round, not this one obviously) :D If it can keep up it'll no doubt be bandwagoned soon and then it'll be gone before we know it.

Damnit, we were so close to getting no Unfaithful in the final! Poor Corinne, she definitely won't get a wildcard either I bet :( 2002 - another year I'm not that fond of, although much better than 2006. Some good stuff but far too much manufactured crap still clinging on that wasn't even remotely fun like you could say of the late 90s stuff - just bland and very clinical, although it was on the way out. And S Club Juniors - yuck, what a terrible cash-in :puke2: Automatic High makes me want to spew at its terribleness! +15 Holly Valance - Down Boy :wub: Better than Kiss Kiss but neither were as good as Naughty Girl. All 3 were pop moments of '02 though. Ah, Holly! I even had her (half-naked) as my computer background back then :kink: Fair to say I was a little obsessed. +12 Atomic Kitten - Last Goodbye/Be With You +10 X-Press 2 - Lazy +8 Coldplay - In My Place +6 A1 - Caught In The Middle +5 Puretone - Addicted To Bass +4 Justin Timberlake - Like I Love You +3 Appleton - Fantasy +2 Oasis - Little By Little +1 Oasis - Stop Crying Your Heart Out -2 Britney Spears - I’m Not a Girl, Not Yet a Woman Career lowlight much?! Awful, nonsensical, etc.

Nightcrawlers?! Is this the same act who had a couple of hits in the mid-1990s (most notably Push The Feeling On)? :o That would be such a huge gap between chart appearances, especially for a dance act!! Quite - Pow! is one of the most famous songs the grime scene has produced. Can hardly be compared to a random new song by Lethal Bizzle, as from a commercial standpoint he's irrelevant outside of that song. It's a bit like Fragma and Toca's Miracle, for example, when they released a new version of it in 2008, yet no one cares about any new material or remixes of their other hits (even though two others were also top 5 :lol:)

I don't think most people even remember Move It. When it comes to AA-sides there's always one track that's promoted and played way more than the other and in this case it was definitely 21st Century Christmas, so that's the one people remember. Besides, it's very awkward voting on AA-sides on this game - I mean, what if you loved one and hated the other, do you drag the other one way down because of that? You probably wouldn't, so it's not surprising people tend to focus on one song on it (usually the more famous/notable one). And if people bought it for the song rather than the artist, than Cliff wouldn't even be in this game. Fact :P

I actually don't mind it at all. Take away the reality television stigma and it's a fairly well-written ballad. Not as good as runner-up Sinéad Quinn's debut single though (which, alas, didn't make it here). Voted for XTM again. Considering it got 2 votes last round apart from mine perhaps it might go sooner than I thought.

:heehee: Quite! Considering how well-managed she seems to be these days, it's shocking that somebody on her team thought back then that such a tedious bore of a song would take off anywhere. Mediocre beat, dull production, and the most unbelievably drab vocal - "we riiiiide - zzz!" True enough about Lumidee. She probably could have turned it around if she managed to dust herself off and come back strong in 2004 like Rihanna did in 2006, but the longer she left it the further and further she got pushed down in the box of stuff tagged "2003" - now it's definitely way too late for her, I think. Although I notice she had a minor hit with Pitbull in 2007 - so ahead of her time working with him now that he's the rent-a-rapper of choice! :lol: Yeah, Funky Dory flopping was a bit of a :o at the time. Although I seem to recall they released it very close to Christmas which I always maintain is often an awful decision when you're just trying to launch your (solo) career as back in those days it was inevitable you'd get lost - not so much now that Xmas time is dead thanks to the X Factor though. I recall Enrique Iglesias in 1999, Emma Bunton in 2001 and Holly Valance in 2002 also made that stupid move.

Not quite up all the way - you're forgetting the utter non-event of a song that was We Ride :lol: Hmm, I'm not quite sure if I expected her to just disappear. Lumidee was a very obvious one-hit wonder as she was cashing in on a trend (dancehall) that became yesterday's news VERY quickly. So it was quite obvious that the likes of her and Kevin Lyttle would fail with their next singles, like Wayne Wonder had already done a couple of months before. I definitely wouldn't have expected her to become the massive star she is now back then, but I probably would have predicted more of a Ciara-like career with average success and the odd hit. But yes, considering If It's Lovin' That You Want was basically a massive flop everywhere she did well to move on quickly and turn it around, even if it was with the help of that old trick of using a famous/classic song as a sample :drama:

It would come top 5 at least and you know it! :lol: Anyway, I'm personally of the opinion that If It's Lovin' That You Want is her best pre-Umbrella single these days, even though I paid no attention to it at the time. It has a charm that the others sorely lack. Di di di di da da dey :dance:

Argh, 2006! I was mentally prepared to vote in 2000 already :cry: Instead of a glorious year where I like almost every #2 we get THIS. Ah well! Anyway, in all seriousness, considering how much I've said openly on this forum that this year was crap for chart music, this list of #2s isn't as bad as it could have been. Still not good though when I have to give points to songs I flat out don't like!! The top 7 are okay, but it's a massive drop-off after +3. +15 Corinne Bailey Rae - Put Your Records On +12 Chamillionaire featuring Krayzie Bone - Ridin' +10 The Killers - When You Were Young +8 Justin Timberlake featuring Timbaland - My Love +6 Christina Aguilera - Ain't No Other Man +5 Embrace - Nature's Law +4 Infernal - From Paris To Berlin +3 Bodyrox featuring Luciana - Yeah Yeah +2 Chris Brown featuring Juelz Santana - Run It! +1 Red Hot Chili Peppers - Dani California -2 Rihanna - Unfaithful Horrible song, but of course it will get 1st 'cos this forum is full of Rihanna loons!

Absolutely XTM this time. Horrible cheesy eurodance cover that was played to death on the music channels at the time just because it had a mildly unique and memorable video. I expect I'll be voting for this for at least 15 rounds though, probably more. I hope Bo Selecta doesn't go! I bought it at the time and still dig it out on the odd Christmas, so it's definitely aged well for a novelty song for me! The 2004 Bo Selecta single just didn't work though, but this was one was great. Was definitely hoping it'd be Xmas #1 that year...

Gah, Blondie 4th! One of these days my favourite will actually win one of these god damn things - mind you, my favourite #1 of the 80s (Chaka Khan - I Feel For You) didn't even make it out of the yearly round!! :lol: Didn't vote for ANY of the top 3 but I like them all to varying degrees. Glad Like a Prayer won over Into The Groove. The latter would have been a bit of an anti-climatic winner. I think overall I prefer 6-10 over 1-5 though! Just noticed it's an all-female vocal top 5 - back to typical BJ? :kink:

How do you know they didn't have hit potential? They didn't even get the support, so they barely had a chance anyway! It was some fat man sat behind a radio station or whatever that decided they didn't have the "hit potential", but most of them are clueless anyway (just look at bloody Heart FM). There are over 60 million people in this country and you only have to sell to an absolutely miniscule portion of them to be a success. I've followed the charts for 13 years (which is well over half my time on this earth) and in that time I've come to the conclusion that almost anything can sell well with the right exposure. The charts reflect what is being pushed through more. Remember that the charts are an industry tool that just happen to be open to the public. The whole point of the charts is for record labels to see how successful they are doing with their marketing, etc. It was some men in suits sat behind the record labels who saw the success of certain songs by David Guetta and Lady Gaga and decided club music was the newest trend to exploit, remember. If someone new/something different manages to slip through the cracks unexpectedly then we'll have a new trend, like how Amy Winehouse did in 2006, etc. Anyway, the point is these songs are only popular because the record labels want them to be. Don't confuse the two. I find it extremely bizarre that people don't care about what happens to British music. If British music falls out of the radio completely, then it becomes harder and harder for the lesser British acts to make a living if they're not being exposed to a massive audience like they are on the radio - although, thankfully, it's still possible with the internet. Obviously this is very overdramatic and as long as Radio 1 and Radio 2 exist it doesn't seem to be any danger of happening but I'm just saying. Why on earth would people not want their own music, their own talent, to be blasted out all over the radio? And why on earth does American music have the right to be? :huh:

Good. The more coverage this thing gets the more things might change. I disagree with the claim from the article that it would be an admission of defeat to introduce French style quotas though. No song/act can succeed without support. It's just sad that something like this has to even be discussed - it should be an automatic thing. Your posts seems extremely under-dramatised. If UK music was getting more support, then it wouldn't be a dry period for British acts. We need to stop relying on the bloody old guard and start pushing through new acts. As I said in the previous thread on this subject, the number of British acts breaking through this year has been SHOCKING. And it's almost entirely because these new British acts haven't been getting as much support as they should have. There is no reason that some of them shouldn't have got more support - even though the fact that club music is in right now does not mean the music channels should saturate us with American acts with dance-y songs (they never bloody used to do that with whatever was the 'in' trend at the time), we SHOULD clear some of this crap away and allow more room for something different (both from British acts and otherwise). They have got frickin' lazy - simple as that.

To be fair, that's not necessarily true. Barbarellas (two ex-members of B*Witched, who are from the same era as Hanson) were on LK Today a few months ago. Although they're Irish not British but the point still stands. I've also seen other low-key British acts on shows like this before. Towards the end of last year (I think, possibly the start of this) a fairly unknown British singer called Zarif also performed on GMTV. And there are probably loads of others too as I tend not to watch these kind of shows all the time - I just happened to see these two by coincidence. I don't think this is an issue anyway. Those kind of shows make next to no impact on the chart. X Factor obviously makes a far bigger impact and whilst I agree they're very US-orientated in the acts they put on, like Oricon said, they're only trying to bring in viewers - and, at the end of the day, they're only filling in a few slots on the chart each week. You can't blame them for any American domination. The far bigger issue here is radio and TV (music channels). These are the kind of things that have a big impact all year round, and - as RabbitFurCoat pointed out in some stats a couple of pages back - we're definitely being shut out there, especially on the TV channels.

Ah, but the winners of the other games were Oasis and Pulp - so Madonna winning would be something different :kink: Fairly happy with the results so far. Two of my top 3 are still in. Blondie FTW, but I expect Like A Prayer - which wouldn't be too bad, it's an undisputed pop classic and it only just missed out on my votes (I would have put it like 12th or something) - so Blondie for runner-up! Surprised A-ha made the top 10 - another one that just missed out on getting votes from me though so it's good.