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Fast Food Rockers. Absolutely the worst song here. I like novelty songs as much as the next guy but only if they're amusing (Bo Selecta being a good example there), not embarrassing music for 4 year olds. I wonder how embarrassed the 3 members of that group are nowadays... This year is definitely the best so far, which isn't surprising as 2003 is one of my favourite years. Looking down the list, I have about a dozen I think are great and a load more that I like. Apart from a few bits of manufactured crap hanging around and some dodgy dance (XTM) there's very little that's awful.

Neither did Aloe Blacc - but that didn't stop him from getting a big hit. Non-club music can still do well, so while this is partly a reason for the domination of American and lack of British acts it's not the complete reason. Of course, in the case of Aloe Blacc he actually got the necessary support. He was added to Radio 1's playlist, which managed to get him into the top 40. Then his video got picked up for more rotation on the music channels, and he moved into the top 20. Then commercial radio picked it up and it blasted into the top 10 and is now set to go to #2 this week. It seems most British acts only go through the first hoop and also get small amounts of the second, and maybe small amounts of the third on stations like Capital. Lots don't even get that. At the end of the day, British music is not getting the support - club-orientated or otherwise.

Radio 1 have a quota to play at least 40% British acts during daytime radio. It's nowhere near high enough IMO but at least they actually have one. See: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/playlist_faqs.shtml Do you have quotas for certain types of music? Because Radio 1 is part of the BBC and funded by the licence fee, we make a commitment that at least 40% of the music in daytime will be from UK artists. We treat this as an absolute minimum however and normally 45-50% of the playlisted tracks are British. We also play a range of genres, bringing together the best of each, rather than concentrating on just one area of music. Not sure about any other radio stations though.

By the way, just reading through the thread properly rather than skimming as I did before, and I had to laugh at the suggestion that British acts should do something different to break through here, while American acts can get away with generic rubbish!! :lol: Jesus Christ, shouldn't it be the other way round?! It's really a sad state when it's come to this. We SHOULD be supporting British music the majority and taking the best of what comes from the rest of the countries in a 60-40% ratio, I'd say. This would be in an ideal world, although of course it's impossible to actually enforce this as even if radio played 60% British music and 40% non-British music it doesn't mean it'd be bought in those exact numbers. What we have now is a situation where we support the big European hits as we should, but take almost EVERYTHING from America... :drama: That never used to happen and I have no idea why radio stations have got so lazy like this.

Maybe, but hasn't that always been the case? Although we certainly have no hit producer team with the pedigree of SAW, Absolute (Spice Girls producers) or Xenomania at the moment, that's for sure - but I'd argue in the late 90s we had nobody as good as Timbaland or Darkchild either, it's just that they were putting their beats on R&B and hip hop songs. Maybe radio should stop playing American music full stop if it can get by so well with internet networking :lol: I kid, of course. But isn't the biggest music channel (4Music) UK-owned? I'd say the bigger problem with music channels is they're so god damn trend-following these days. Compared to when the likes of The Box (along with Smash Hits) used to break through the likes of Billie Piper who got fuck-all radio support but was loved by both - and bang, the result was a #1 hit. While we're on the subject of magazines, you could probably say the same about NME who also broke through new acts but now seem to be irrelevant (although unlike SH! they're still going, of course) - either way that era is ovah thanks to the internet as Bray said above. Shame, as both played their part in helping and promoting British music. Hardly the exact opposite when house originated in the US and a lot of dance music can be traced back through the days of disco, etc, though :lol:

08 I Know Where It's At (this one has dated BADLY, but it's still a decent debut in the context of its time) 10 Never Ever 04 Under The Bridge (I don't hate it, but I have no opinion on it and I don't care much for the original either) 08 Lady Marmalade (I actually like this version - they brought it bang up-to-date and that was nice) 09 Bootie Call (their most urban single, and no real melody to cling on to here, which suits me fine. Bit underrated) 10 War Of Nerves (Xmas '98 = legendary time. Their most nostalgia-inducing single for me) 09 Pure Shores 11 Black Coffee (an interesting and creative single at a time of uber-manufactured British pop) 09 All Hooked Up (deserves a 9 just for the "why's this fool all up in my ass/doesn't he know I want class not trash" bit) 08 Rock Steady 07 Chick Fit I LOVE THEM.

http://www.indieshuffle.com/wp-content/files_mf/thestreetsmikeskinner.jpg He also discovered Professor Green, so any hatred can be thrown his way for this also. He's on Ministry of Sound. It's an independent label but a pretty big one (if that isn't a contradiction of sorts) - loads of dance singles are released on that label, for example. Wretch 32 and Yasmin are on the same label.

Group A 01 Paul Hardcastle - 19 02 Blue - I Can 03 Good Child Foundation - Just Can't Get Enough 04 Alexandra Stan - Mr Saxobeat 05 Nicki Minaj - Super Bass 06 Jedward - Lipstick 07 Templecloud - One Big Family 08 Glee Cast - Loser Like Me 09 The Saturdays - Notorious 10 Jennifer Lopez - I'm Into You 11 David Guetta - Where Dem Girls At 12 Inna - Sun Is Up 13 Jessie J - Nobody's Perfect Group B 01 Chase & Status - Time 02 Wynter Gordon - Dirty Talk 03 Lady Gaga - The Edge of Glory 04 Yasmin - Finish Line 05 Jermaine Stewart - We Don't Have To Take Our Clothes Off 06 Nero - Guilt 07 Glee Cast - I Feel Pretty/Unpretty 08 Take That - Love Love 09 Glee Cast - Get It Right 10 Nicole Scherzinger - Right There 11 Rihanna - California King Bed 12 Swedish House Mafia - Save The World 13 Dev - Bass Down Low

This is interesting. Most played acts on Australian radio in 2010 (overall and domestic acts only): Australian radio airplay – overall top 20: Lady Gaga (37079 plays) P!nk (36982) Powderfinger (36163) Katy Perry (31845) John Butler Trio (31246) INXS (29580) U2 (28955) Train (28813) Ke$ha (27613) Rihanna (27316) Jet (27201) Jason Derulo (27176) David Guetta (25701) Adam Lambert (25221) Rob Thomas (25164) Black Eyed Peas (24752) Nickelback (24598) Kings of Leon (23198) Vanessa Amorosi (22640) BoB (22613) Australian radio airplay – local top 20: Powderfinger (36163 plays) John Butler Trio (31246) INXS (25980) Jet (27201) Vanessa Amorosi (22640) AC/DC (20500) Cold Chisel (19420) Hoodoo Gurus (16291) The Temper Trap (15994) Midnight Oil (15178) Guy Sebastian (15116) Gyroscope (14880) Stan Walker (13504) Amy Meredith (13410) Crowded House (13232) Jimmy Barnes (12888) Jessica Mauboy (12595) Thirsty Merc (11863) Birds Of Tokyo (11819) Australian Crawl (11172) The top 5 domestic acts are in the overall top 20. Not great, but probably higher than the ratio in the sales top 20, I'm sure. I also suspect a lot of these are mass play of old records which is slightly depressing. AC/DC didn't even release any material last year yet they're still the 6th most played Australian act, and according to Wikipedia the only INXS record was a re-release, and they're still 3rd :drama: And Powderfinger's only release in 2010 was a #46 chart placement yet they got stacks of airplay - massive combination of numerous old songs again? Bit of a sad situation indeed, regardless. I don't think we'll ever get this bad though. Unless Radio 1 dies perhaps, and Capital takes over the country *shudders at the thought* :( EDIT: Found the most played songs chart as well, which adds a bit of context. Bizarrely the only three Australian acts were quite poor sales performers - was it a combined effort by less big/more alternative radio stations or something? The whole chart seems quite alternative to me so I'm inclinced to think yes but I really don't know. But for some reason they got played a lot but that didn't translate into sales. 1 Train — Hey, Soul Sister 2 Lifehouse — Halfway Gone 3 John Butler Trio — Close To You 4 Jet — Seven-teen 5 Adam Lambert — Whataya Want From Me 6 Muse — Undisclosed Desires 7 Powderfinger — Burn Your Name 8 Jason Derulo — In My Head 9 Scouting For Girls — This Ain't A Love Song 10 John Mayer — Heartbreak Warfare

Yeah, I'm not even a dance music fan but even I can see that 2000 was a strong year for the genre. Although there was SO much getting pushed through into the charts at the time that it's probably hard not to hear a few songs I liked - Disc 2 of Now 46 for example is all entirely dance practically :drama: Oh dear - Now 61 was probably my favourite of that entire selection!! That whole period was bliss for me, personally - almost all the songs I liked did well, which was nice. I seem to recall that album definitely soundtracked my summer for a lot of that year. The likes of Hard To Beat, Forever Lost, Shot You Down, Ghetto Gospel, The Avenue, So Good, etc, definitely give me a summer 2005 feeling anyway. And yeah, those 3 songs you mentioned were lovely too. How nice it was to see Natalie Imbruglia come back with an airplay #1 smash and a #1 album - akin to Sophie Ellis-Bextor doing the same in 2011, probably :lol: I agree about late 2005/early 2006 - probably the most bizarre thing about it was the strange "2002" feeling in a few of the acts - Friday Hill having a couple of hits, when they were in fact three members of Blazin' Squad; Liz McLarnon, a former member of Atomic Kitten, having a solo top 5 hit; Son of Dork, a band with a member of Busted in, having a couple of hits. And then you had the 80s vibe with the likes of Dead or Alive being re-released, A-ha having a random top 10 hit out of nowhere, and the likes of Sunblock doing their dodgy 80s remakes! Oh dear indeed...

I'm glad that Frankie Goes To Hollywood did rubbish here. No idea how they managed to do so well in this game - maybe you had to be there at the time?! :lol: I like Heart too - didn't vote for it but it's probably my favourite of their #1s. No doubt the others will all be top 20 though.

As if 2006 is winning :blink: A bit baffled by the popularity of this (IMO) crappy year, but then pop music was probably better in 2006 than it was in 2003-2005 as I said in the other thread, and not having the cheesyness of some of the 2000-2002 stuff, so maybe that's why - as pop music is this site's favourite genre? Weird popularity for 2000, too, especially when 2001 and 2002 seems to be generally disliked? I can only think of dance fans who might be voting for it? :lol: I liked 45, 50, 56, 58, 61, 74... but indeed the Now albums of the late 90s are unbeatable for me. Don't you mean transition to dance? I can see your point though - by my money David Guetta is probably the most influental person in popular music over the last couple of years and 2009 is probably where a lot of that influence was shaped what with the likes of Sexy Chick and I Gotta Feeling. Now almost everything in the charts has house influences. The mid-2000s were far more R&B than now, to be honest.

You missed out 2004.

I'd go: Chart music: 01 2003 02 2001 03 2004 04 2000 05 2005 06 2009 07 2002 08 2006 09 2008 10 2010 11 2007 12 2011 Music in general: 01 2009 02 2008 03 2001 04 2004 05 2005 06 2003 07 2010 08 2007 09 2011 10 2000 11 2006 12 2002 It's really difficult to rank though. There's only a few years I outright hated, and all years have their pluses and minuses music-wise, plus certain genres are stronger at different times, so it's hard... :thinking: Especially the latter ranking, as there's no year I really hated there. I'm pretty certain on the first though, even if it does make me look a bit old man-ish with the start of the decade pretty much at the top and the end of the decade basically at the bottom. And also, how are we defining a chart hit here? I've gone for top 20-ish, surely stuff that didn't even make the top 40 for example wouldn't be classified as a hit, so would fit more with the latter? 2001 does stand out as a very revolutionary year, though - arguably the point popular music changed and shaped for the rest of the decade, with the urban like Missy Elliott, Aaliyah, Jay-Z; pop like Britney working with The Neptunes, Jennifer Lopez working with Murda Inc; and then The Strokes kicking off the sound of mainstream rock music for the next few years. It was also the first year of a reality TV, most notably :(

He(?!) probably WOULD have faded into obscurity if he didn't start releasing these stupid themed songs, like I said. The follow-up to Axel F was Popcorn and that "only" got to #12 - I seem to recall thinking it'd fade away after that. But then it came back with a Christmas hit and we all know the public completely lose their brains at that time of year - and bang, it's in the top 5 again :manson: Oops! That's the second stupid error I've made in this thread today :lol: I think I must have been looking at the "area" figure on the Australian Wikipedia article :blush: Well if it's only three times that kind of shocks me a little more to be honest. I'm not an expert on the Australian music scene though so I can't really comment too much. I think we might have a better ratio of acts than the population figures suggest though, giving our unbelievably strong musical heritage. Bizarrely, I did think of doing that recently - but I'm a bit shy about making new topics on this forum (and any forum, to be honest, I'm more of a "roll with the flow" kind of guy) so I decided against it in the end... :( But yeah, it'd be interesting. I'm not really sure what would win - I'd guess a more recent year because some people on here are quite young...

Totally agreed there. One way of judging how good popular music is, for me, to look at the Now albums of those years. Although it doesn't necessarily tell you everything, it does give you the general picture. And Now 78 was absolutely atrocious - I only bought it because I collect them, to be honest. Only about a dozen songs at best I'd listen to and I like to think I'm pretty varied musically, and hardly the most undiscerning person in the world. Judging by the charts of recent months, Now 79 is probably going to be worse. I'm kind of considering not buying it but I know I'd regret it a few years down the line - I really HATE having holes in anything like that; I didn't buy Now 65 or 66 at the time for the same reason but I ended up regretting it and bought them a couple of years later after buying 67, 68, etc :lol: 2004 and 2005 gets a very ROUGH deal on here, but I'm glad to see there are other people who don't hate those years. Mind you, I didn't like 2005 as much by the end of it, but the first half or so was very good, and the April-July period was VERY strong. The transition from 2005 to 2006 was truly atrocious though... I think the fact that there were several re-issued hits doing well in late 2005/early 2006 says a lot about how rubbish that period was in terms of new music in the charts. Tinie Tempah did fit with the popular genres at the time, though. In 2009, the likes of Dizzee Rascal, Tinchy Stryder, Chipmunk etc, were very popular, and Tinie was able to take advantage of that as a "new improved" version - which is probably why Tinchy Stryder and Chipmunk have stopped being as successful now, to be honest. Although I wonder if Tinie would be as successful if he was launched a year later? And Owl City wasn't a million miles away from a slightly more indie version of the electropop of the time - probably having more in common with something like Empire of the Sun, I guess, rather than Lady Gaga. Although that's still a pretty terrible comparison but you get the idea :lol: Both of them were more similar to the 2009 trends than the 2010 trends, but as they came at the start of 2010 they probably got away with it. I think Owl City was very well-timed though, I'm not surprised he's been a one-hit wonder as only a few months later he sounded very "2008/2009" to be honest. The Cheeky Girls had three top 3 hits though (and another one in the top 10). Alexandra Stan is only about to have her first top 5 hit. So Inna is a bit closer to becoming the most successful Romanian act ever (I'm not sure if the Cheeky Girls actually are but I'd be surprised if they weren't) than her - but I doubt either of them will manage to top that, anyway. And yes, I know what you're thinking, HOW were the Cheeky Girls that successful?! Such a joke, to be honest. They stopped being amusing after their first single and after that were just really $h!t, making stupid themed music (Cheeky Holiday! Cheeky Christmas!) and still doing well :manson: A bit like Crazy Frog a couple of years after, actually...

I hated 2006 in terms of charts to be honest. The only good thing about it was pop music, which was continuing to become very very interesting with the likes of Justin Timberlake and Nelly Furtado dipping into this dance/urban kind of style which was amazing, and Lily Allen arriving and Amy Winehouse going into the stratosphere was nice, too (although the latter was more 2007, I guess). Also have to admit I have a weakness for Paolo Nutini, and that was the year he debuted... :D But dance music was awful and full of cheap 80s remakes $h!t like Sunblock and Beatfreakz, the 'indie' music doing well was about ten times worse than that of 2004 and 2005 with loads of rubbish acts being let in. The R&B music being pushed into the charts was just really REALLY bad - can't offer anything more objective than that, I'm afraid, but the likes of the Pussycat Dolls just make me wanna vomit to be honest (and I consider myself a fan of R&B music). And the only hip hop hit I liked from the entire year was probably Chamillionaire's Ridin' Dirty, as ridiculous as that might sound. The only good thing I'd say about 2006 it was probably better than 2007, 2009, 2010 and 2011. But it was the first year since following the charts (1998 onwards) I'd say I really hated. I did hate 2002 somewhat, purely for the reality TV domination and some of the $h!tty pop acts like Atomic Kitten and Blazin' Squad but outside of those areas it was actually fairly good. But then I'm the only person on this forum who actually thinks 2004/2005 were great years, so what do I know?! :lol:

You say it's a quiet period, but people were also complaining about it during 2010, so is it a quiet time or has it been going on longer than you think? :lol: http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=123489 I think the main problem is that the British acts have simply started making less pop music. Looking at the list of acts I listed from 2003/2004, a large majority of them were either straight-up pop music, or doing a very poppy version of hip hop/R&B/rock music, etc. At the same time, the music coming from America was pretty much all R&B and urban music, with most of the poppy acts being dressed up with guitars like Maroon 5, and the odd straight-up pop act like Britney Spears or Kelly Clarkson. Fast forward to now and things have changed dramatically - suddenly the American acts are giving us the pop music, and the British acts have started doing dubstep, grime or are still messing about with their guitars or whatever. Either way it comes back to the point that British music has become LESS commercial than it was in 2003/2004 - which, from a music fan's perspective, is probably a good thing; but from a British chart fan's perspective it's pretty damaging. I know that this is somewhat reiterating a point I and others have already made in this thread, but this seems to be THE big reason why British acts are doing worse, and American acts are doing better - to me, anyway. Nothing to do with quality, or it being a quiet time for British music IMO.

I can see your point somewhat - but we have ten times the population of Australia (therefore technically more musicians/singers) so I don't think we'll ever get that bad! I think you're being a bit doom and gloom here regardless. If it's still the same next year once the music trends have hopefully shifted a bit away from the club music style then I'll be perhaps ready to agree with you. LOL!! Of course they're not. No idea what I was on. I was thinking of reality TV acts and then just put them down without thinking :lol: Hopefully Inna knows the target she needs to beat if she wants to become the most successful Romanian act in UK chart history!! It wasn't normal, no. There was loads of what is often termed nowadays as "landfill indie" (most of which was British) around that year.

I agree somewhat (infact I think I made this point about two months ago), but since then Take That and The Saturdays have both released singles - one of which didn't do as well as I hoped (although there's still time I guess) and the latter of which is touch-and-go at the moment and may miss the top 10 this week too. And I'm not sure the last three are particularly going to change anything... :lol: Err, there were loads of British acts doing well in 2003/2004 at various points... Dido, Busted, McFly, Natasha Bedingfield, Girls Aloud, Sugababes, Atomic Kitten, Jay Sean, 2Play, Craig David, Big Brovaz, Jamelia, The 411, Blazin' Squad, Joss Stone, Blue, Mis-Teeq, Gareth Gates, Will Young, Liberty X, The Cheeky Girls, Lemar, David Sneddon, Alex Parks, Westlife, Daniel Bedingfield, Franz Ferdinand, Keane, Snow Patrol, Morrissey, The Libertines, The Darkness, Embrace, The Streets, Robbie Williams, Emma Bunton, Geri Halliwell, Rachel Stevens, Sophie Ellis-Bextor... not even CLOSE to being comparable to now :lol:

Oh, I agree there. The British music scene is FAR higher quality than the American music scene, and most of our artists are far less trend-hopping, desperate for #1 singles, etc. But at the same time it does depress me sometimes to see so few British acts making an impact as we have now. Although it should be noted also that the picture is quite a bit better for British acts albums-wise - which probably says a lot about where the appeal for our kind of acts lie at the moment. 7 of last week's albums chart top 10 are by British acts.

And? I think you're missing the bigger picture here. The reason why British acts are suffering now is not because of on air, on sale (which is a ridiculous theory if that's what you're implying, people will buy songs they like regardless of the nationality of the artist), that's simply made it easier to see the other gaping issues with British music right now - which have existed for quite a while now anyway - because, as you said, some songs are no longer being held back for easy top 10 debuts. Although you should also note that a lot of British acts are still holding back their releases...

Yeah, quite sad that Adele is top 10 there and not here. It's not like she's been top 10 here for 19 weeks between her two songs this year already!! :lol: Although, don't worry, once the US finally catches up with the rest of humanity (I have faith this may happen before 2011 is out) then there'll be no British acts there either. Totally agree there. As much as I like Radio 1 and what they do (unlike most people here I never complain about them), they really need to have an evaluation of some of the British acts they're supporting. While I'm not saying the stuff they're supporting is unpopular, would it really kill them to try and support a few British acts that are a bit more chart-friendly? Especially on the new acts front, which is I think where we're REALLY suffering - although I do also partly blame the Sound Of poll for that for pushing through so many uncommercial acts. The amount of new British acts pushing through to the upper reaches of the charts this year is surely the lowest it's ever been - I can only think of about half a dozen!!! Jessie J, Wretch 32, Yasmin, Birdy, Nero, Parade, The Vaccines... any more? I've probably forgotten a few. And only Jessie J and Wretch 32 have really done anything impressive (maybe Nero depending on how far you want to stretch the meaning of the word). Considering the British music scene has always relied on a high turnover of new acts (at least in the last decade or so anyway) that's a pretty poor number. And it's been said many a time before but it should be said again as it's true - British music is really out with what's popular at the moment. Compare that to the mid-to-late 1990s where we very much in tune with what was popular (in terms of pop music, anyway) and thus sometimes completely dominated our charts. Although that didn't exactly harm Adele but she's a rare exception, it seems, someone who transcends trends :lol:

+15 Blondie - Atomic +12 George Michael - Careless Whisper +10 Belinda Carlisle - Heaven Is A Place On Earth +8 The Jam - A Town Called Malice/Precious +6 Michael Jackson - Billie Jean +5 Black Box - Ride On Time +4 The Bangles - Eternal Flame +3 Culture Club - Do You Really Want To Hurt Me? +2 Paul Hardcastle - 19 +1 Soft Cell - Tainted Love -2 Dexy's Midnight Runners - Come On Eileen

+15 Paul Hardcastle - 19 +12 Roxy Music - Jealous Guy +10 Spandau Ballet - True +8 ABBA - Super Trouper +6 T'Pau - China In Your Hand +5 Lisa Stansfield - All Around The World +4 Blondie - Call Me +3 S-Express - Theme From S-Express +2 The Police - Every Breath You Take +1 Madonna - True Blue -2 Mel & Kim - Respectable (was going to give this to Irene Cara for keeping Bucks Fizz out, but nobody's voting for the silly cow anyway, so might as well give it somewhere where it will perhaps hurt a bit more!)