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Heart FM are far closer to the chart music-wise than Radio 2 is though (just a little bit behind, and a little selective)... :lol: I mean, compare their playlists: Heart: http://www.heart.co.uk/on-air/playlist/ Radio 2: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/music/playlist/ I'm not sure if there is a logical replacement to Radio 1, to be honest. Capital would be perhaps but we don't even have that down here.

It wouldn't make any logical sense for it to be on Radio 2. They play hardly any music that is actually in the charts, whilst Radio 1 play a lot of music that makes up the charts. Plus, audience-wise, a lot of Radio 2's regular listeners are probably people who have little or no interest in the charts, so I'm not sure how happy they'd be if you suddenly put the top 40 in another show's slot on the schedule. It'd be a bit like rebranding the 1Xtra Chart and moving it to 6Music or something. That said, I don't really care. Like Histastic said, I barely listen to the chart anymore. I stopped listening to it weekly once Mark Goodier stopped doing it in 2002. For me there was never a satisfactory replacement and I listened to it far more casually from then on, compared to the days when he did it where I would literally take my walkman out with me so I wouldn't miss it if I happened to be going out at the time :lol:

You say that - but I still far prefer the UK charts to the US ones. When songs like Nero and Katy B can go top 10 in the US, that will be the day I'll start preferring the Hot 100, perhaps. We are far more open musically than the US will ever be. I don't think the UK chart is that bad at the moment anyway. I often wonder - would people still be complaining about our chart if they were looking in as an outsider from, let's say, France or something, rather than following it so closely? I think some people here hold our chart up to an unbelievably high standard (not surprising as it used to be fantastic) and are therefore more easily unsatisfied. Compare that to another country's chart where you often don't have many expectations - specifically the US which, as somebody already said, has often been seen as a chart full of urban songs. It is funny though as I often see comments from Americans on things like YouTube saying how much better our chart is :lol: Oh, and congratulations to Adele! Anyone else think she has the potential to actually have a real long-running career of hits in the US, rather than quickly fade like so many other British acts have done over the years? I guess we'll see but in the short-term I wouldn't be surprised if Someone Like You also did very well over there...

Noo!! As if Bucks Fizz missed out by a mere six points to Irene bloody Cara! I hate that song. Seething, just seething. However, it's great to see Culture Club go direct to the final - didn't expect that :o The Jam topped the group by miles, and Dexy's could only make do with 3rd! Hmm. +15 Michael Jackson - Billie Jean +12 Spandau Ballet - True +10 Duran Duran - Is There Something I Should Know +8 Culture Club - Karma Chameleon +6 UB40 - Red Red Wine +5 The Police - Every Breath You Take +4 David Bowie - Let's Dance +3 Bonnie Tyler - Total Eclipse Of The Heart +2 KC & The Sunshine Band - Give It Up +1 New Edition - Candy Girl -2 The Flying Pickets - Only You :puke: I agree with The Moose, this is such an overplayed list of songs :lol: I'd be surprised if anybody didn't know 90% of this list. In a way that's a good thing as they've stood the test of time, I guess, but it's definitely a bit overfamiliar. I didn't even need to refresh my memory of most of these before voting like I've done in every other round so far - although I do have most of these songs on Now That's What I Call Music! Volume 1, mind.

I'm guessing you don't own Now 59 then :kink: It's Disc 2, Track 13 on there. It didn't get a huge amount of airplay at the time, as I recall. Mind you, it did have months of buzz behind it. I remember first hearing it before the original Mario Winans version was out, which would have been in May at the latest! And it came out in September! It's kind of surprising it did so well when they left it so late, considering. Clearly it was such a good tune that it didn't need huge amounts of airplay, and stood on its own rather than selling off the original :D Also, somewhat ironically, it was released the same week as Mario Winans released his follow-up to I Don't Wanna Know, which managed to reach an incredible #44 :lol: Whoops! If you guys think I Don't Wanna Know was a bit bland, then you should listen to that one and find something REALLY bland.

Not to mention that Here With Me was used as the opening theme to the TV show Roswell - which I'm pretty sure was aimed at young teens/adults. So certainly at the start of her career there were at least efforts to appeal her to a younger audience. I think she got more MoR for her second album, seemingly losing the slight hint of trip hop that was in the No Angel album. I agree that there are similarities with Adele in terms of marketing, but I think Adele has managed to keep the young audience interested this time, unlike Dido. I don't see much comparison with James Blunt either. Surely he was more in the ilk of someone like David Gray. As for the sales of 21, I think some people are being a bit optimistic but it does seem to keep defying expectations. I guess its ability to reach 4 million depends on how well it can sell in the vital Christmas market. If they release another single in November-time then that could be enough, I guess, but I think it would be very tight either way.

By the way, this was the Mario Winans' answer song if anyone wants to listen to it/doesn't know it. Got to #8 this same year :D I look forward to Shola Ama's return to the top 40 once more with Take It Back, another 7 years on :kink: 9k0IW5Dp4vs

Very happy that Eric Prydz is gone! :D Thought I would have been voting for it for ages but my faith in Buzzjack is restored! The answer song was amazing, imo. Really interesting beat for a mainstream hip hop/R&B song. The original was very bland though, agreed. However, I voted for Maroon 5 this time. Just Lose It is bad by Eminem's standards but still, I can't bring myself to vote for it.

Are you aware that voting for this song suggests you don't actually possess a heart? :P To be honest, I'm not a fan of Cassidy in general (he's pretty much a mediocre rapper with rather average beats) but this one has a cool groove to it IMO. I can see why it was so big. Plus, I love R. Kelly (musically, before anyone starts making any comments about his personal life!), so I'm pretty much guaranteed to like almost anything with him on it. I'm actually surprised it lasted this long though. Although clearly judging by other comments there's a lot of stuff people hate here so it lasting this long probably isn't much of an achievement.

It sampled Enya - she wasn't actually on it. And this is Hotel: MKOT6teSarY It's great, imo, but if you don't like that genre it's probably a little on the bland side so I'm not surprised people have forgotten it. Anyway, voted for Eric Prydz as usual.

Nope, I think it's rubbish! But it'd have to be truly atrocious to be worse than Renée and frickin' Renato. Irene Cara, Charlene, Goombay Dance Band, Nicole and Eddy Grant are also crap by my book. I don't know what the public were on in 1982 with some of the crap they put at #1 - especially when the surrounding years are all either good or excellent for #1 singles. Sadly, I think the Dexy's have this group sewn up though! I hope Culture Club qualify - The Jam are a cert surely and I don't think any of my other big faves have a chance.

Shame that Roxy Music just missed out. I didn't think they would get that high though :o Predictable top 4 but can't really complain as all are classics (though not all my personal faves from that year). +15 The Jam - A Town Called Malice/Precious +12 Bucks Fizz - The Land Of Make Believe +10 Musical Youth - Pass The Dutchie +8 Culture Club - Do You Really Want To Hurt Me? +6 The Jam - Beat Surrender +5 Kraftwerk - The Model/Computer Love +4 Madness - House Of Fun +3 Tight Fit - The Lion Sleeps Tonight +2 Bucks Fizz - My Camera Never Lies +1 Adam Ant - Goody Two Shoes -2 Renée & Renato - Save Your Love (Just NO!!!!) Have to agree with the general sentiment here - this year is rubbish compared to 1980 and 1981!

Great dance song? It's a cheap generic beat set to an irritating looped sample, topped off with, as russt68 correctly points out, a completely nasty video. What is great about that? :wacko: It's awful. To be honest, I'm not a big fan of dance music anyway - but the only dance record worth listening to here for me is easily Lola's Theme. Eric Prydz (and to a lesser extent LMC and Boogie Pimps) are all rubbish :puke: I don't mind DJ Casper though, but that's borderline on novelty/cheese so it will never do well here. Same with O-Zone really. And I hope Yeah! doesn't go soon. It's actually my favourite song here, along with Dry Your Eyes, Hey Ya! and Trick Me.

Eric Prydz!!! I can only echo what I said last round about this horrible, tacky piece of $h!t :puke2: I don't really care about any of the songs that have gone so far either, but I do think Frankee deserved to last a little longer. Poor girl. It's bad enough she had to go through an awful relationship with that dick Eamon without being so hated by the world too :(

I don't think there's any specific country benefit in on air, on sale. Like I said, if a song is popular it will do well. A lot of British acts have unfortunately relied on front-loading for far too long now (going back to the late 90s), a lot of the time to put a low quality record near the top based on fanbase, and mask the fact the songs aren't that popular or good. I'd be happy to see an end to this, to be honest. I do think British pop music is a shambles at the moment and perhaps it'll force the British acts to make better music if it did happen. Plus, you have to remember when people complain about American acts dominating the charts: they are the musical capital of the world, basically. They have five times the population of ours - so, technically speaking, they should have five times the acts. We're not as fortunate to have such a huge machine (although we're still the 2nd most important musical country in the world in terms of influence/worldwide success, etc, of course). Like now, we don't have that many major acts releasing, but America has loads as usual, and they can have that pretty much all-year round because of the sheer size of their music industry. I would like to see more representation from the rest of Europe (although this can only happen when pure dance music makes a comeback, IMO, like 1999/2000 was a golden time for mainland Europe because of the huge popularity of trance) but it doesn't surprise or annoy me too much when America dominates at times. By the way, I hate to be rude and I'm not usually one to be so pedantic (there's usually enough people on this forum to do that) but can you please learn how to spell "likewise". That's like three posts in a row where you've spelt it wrong now. It's not a difficult word to spell. I'm pretty sure they don't even spell it with a Z in America.

I think you overestimate the difference these kind of countdowns of music channels make. I mean, I'm not saying they're completely irrelevant, but I don't think they really give songs that many sales, or at least no more than any other video play slot. But yes, if songs get top 10 then they do tend to get a LOT more support, but I don't see how Jodie Connor would have got that high regardless. With her we already have a precedent to how she can do without on air, on sale, and yes, she managed to get to #14, but she dropped down the charts like a brick, and that was still with the music channels playing her video quite a bit. I think with her, it has to be accepted there's simply not THAT much interest in her as an artist for her to ever have a really big long-running hit on her own. Even Bring It bombed down the chart after peaking which is quite surprising as you'd expect a single that has increased several weeks in a row to descend a bit more slowly than that. About The Feeling, I'm not sure how much difference holding back really could have made for them. Radio 1 would have still ignored them because, as you said, they're deemed to be irrelevant now. They might have picked up a slot on Radio 2 but that often doesn't amount to much (even Corinne Bailey Rae got a lot of airplay on R2, and had a held back release, but still missed the entire top 200). They perhaps might have got top 75 if they were held back. Now they probably won't, but they still might trickle sell enough over the next few weeks (depending on promotion and things like that) to sell just as much as they would before. Does one week in the top 100 at #64 or something really make much difference? They were essentially screwed either way in terms of singles chart success, as sad it is. I think we've seen this kind of story enough times before to know how it goes. I think if a song is popular, it will sell regardless. There have already been songs that have been hits that haven't had a truckload of hype. Like Mann for example. It was released a few months ago at the start of its airplay curve and climbed up the charts steadily because people liked the song. He was just a random unknown rapper from America - yeah, it had 50 Cent on the track but he's not much of a selling power these days. As for your last point, I think you underestimate how much the minor positions add up on the chart. If Katy B was released OA/OS, for example, it likely would have spent weeks building up outside the top 20, probably peaked at #19 or something, and then dropped down the charts. It could have taken 4-6 weeks to climb to its peak, more than likely, which could just as easily add up past the weekly sales it needed to front-load itself to #8. I guess it's all pointless speculation either way but this is the kind of thing the record companies want and expect in terms of songs selling more. In the case of On The Floor, it was actually held back a LOT. Like two months or something. Just imagine how much it could have sold in those 2 months!! If it debuted high, then radio would have picked it up very early, and it could have hung around the top 10 selling notable but not huge quantities every week for months. Just think of something like Love The Way You Lie. It would never have seen the massive 100k+ debut it got first week but I actually think it could have sold more than 400k by now if it was released OA/OS. All that said, I agree that OA/OS isn't the best idea for some acts (e.g. debuting acts, like I've already said previously in this thread).

Bring It and Yeah Right did fine. Yeah, they would have peaked higher from being held back, but at the end of the day they still got top 40. And I expect they sold more in the long run than they would have. Like the article says, people have to start getting used to looking at SALES rather than peak, and also have to start changing their perspective of a "flop". For those kind of acts, low top 40 is a good achievement with that kind of release. I'm not sure how much you would have expected them to be heard, anyway - even if they were held back they likely would have only got top 20 and still would have likely not been picked up by most hit stations (ie. Capital, etc). And do you really think a comeback from The Feeling has potential?! Err, if you say so. About as much potential as a Bitty McLean comeback, I suppose. But yes, you're right the charts are moving slower, and there's going to be less smaller hits in the top 20, and therefore less hits in general. Although some of the people who hate songs that plummet fast after their first week (see: Now or Never for a good example of that, while we're on the subject of Jodie Connor) will say that this is actually a good thing. And in some ways it is - at the end of the day, we're now moving closer to a chart that reflects the genuine popularity of all songs.

EDIT: Comment removed because I actually can't be bothered to get involved in another pointless 'argument' here. ON AIR/ON SALE FOREVER though, guys!!!! :D :cheer:

Hurt wasn't even close to making the list though, seeing as it only scraped the top 40 :heehee: I guess it's surprising looking back now, but at the time it definitely wasn't. I'm not sure I even heard the song at the time and he hadn't had a hit in decades so if anything it was a bit of a surprise he got top 40, despite the rave reviews it was probably getting. Same with Seven Nation Army, really. I do recall it getting a lot of heavy airplay on MTV2 but that often didn't translate into a high chart position a lot of the time, so it getting to #7 was a bit of a surprise. It is of course a fantastic song, though. I agree that 2003 was a good year for the genuine hits getting to #1, mainly because of the slow turnover in comparison to most of the surrounding years. Looking at the year-end top 40 now there's not as much urban as I would have expected, although it didn't really start taking off until the summer (with memories of my sister playing Lumidee and Blu Cantrell's songs to death while we were on holiday that year :lol:)... surprised that Busta Rhymes & Mariah made it into the top 40 though - I love it but I fear it's prime for an early exit once all the obvious candidates have gone (Shane Richie, Gareth Gates, Fatman Scoop, Fast Food Rockers) :cry: Especially since I'm not sure how many people will even remember it.

I disagree - Yeah!, Left Outside Alone, Toxic, Lose My Breath, Dry Your Eyes, Lola's Theme, Hey Ya!, Mad World and Kelis x2 are all great songs by my book. Plus there are quite a few more I like. But yeah, there were of course plenty of great songs not on this list (like Ja Rule for instance :kink: Just kidding, although I do like that song) - but that's the same as any other year. I think most of the hate for 2005 comes from people who like pop (of the more pure variety, which wasn't exactly thriving that year, bar a few acts like Girls Aloud and Sugababes; pop music in America was almost non-existent in the mainstream) and dance music. Plus, like I said, urban was thriving in these years and a lot of people here absolutely hate that genre a lot of the time. I do think 2005 gave us a lot of memorable chart hits though. I haven't spoken to many people about 2003 on here, so I'll be interested to see the reception to that year. I know that gooddelta hates it but that only one member :lol: I loved 2003 as well, although it was my first year of secondary school for most of that year so a lot of memories there. It did have quite a bit of urban again though, but I'm not sure how much of that infiltrated through into the top 40 year-end off the top of my head. I'd have to check and see.

Eric Prydz. An appalling song that pretty much exemplifies everything wrong with dance music (even down to the video) :puke2: Although I have to take my hat off to him for being smart enough to make a quick buck so easily. Have to say I don't hate much left. 2004 (and 2005) is an underrated year on this forum that gets way too much stick just because people here hate urban music.

Beautiful People climbed the charts at the same time it started exploding on the music channels, actually, so steve201 is technically right. This is the video airplay chart from the week it climbed from #95 to #20 officially: http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?s...t&p=3514840 Of course it also jumped highly on the radio (100-38) that week, so it was probably a combined effort more than one thing.

ima, how long do you spend writing your posts? I don't mean to be rude but I don't think anyone actually reads them :( I sure do try as I like to believe anyone can make a valid point but I usually end up giving up every time in trying to understand any coherent thoughts amongst a load of waffle/bile. And there's really no need to be so rude to people just because you disagree with them.

+15 Roxy Music - Jealous Guy +12 Aneka - Japanese Boy +10 Soft Cell - Tainted Love +8 The Specials - Ghost Town +6 Bucks Fizz - Making Your Mind Up +5 Smokey Robinson - Being With You +4 The Human League - Don't You Want Me +3 Queen & David Bowie - Under Pressure +2 Adam & The Ants - Prince Charming +1 Joe Dulce Music Theatre - Shaddup You Face -2 Shakin' Stevens - This Ole House

True, but what about if you look at someone like Jodie Connor? I bet Bring It has sold very close to if not more than Now Or Never despite peaking 23 places lower. Does anybody know the sales of these two singles off-hand (vidcapper)? I agree on Natalia Kills, but if they followed my system she would have been held back anyway. Although the song is $h!te and incredibly unoriginal so I wouldn't automatically assume radio stations ignored her just because she didn't take off straight away from OA/OS. Yeah, but there's more to the charts than the #1 single... :lol: Although the way some people act on here you wouldn't think so. 2007 was definitely faster than 2008. Physical singles were much stronger then so there were still many new entries from that, that would have completely missed the top 40 in 2008, for example. 2008 was actually excruciatingly slow at times.