superbossanova

:lol: If you had voted for 'Beautiful Liar' it would be leading at this point!! Oh dear. I hope 'Beautiful Liar' goes rather than 'The Sweet Escape' or 'Stop Me'. Both the latter two are good, while the former is... well, not. Although I'm glad 'Patience' looks to be out of trouble after last round also, though I'm expecting a surge of votes for it now I've said this.

Bloody annoying song, as per from Avril. At least it's slightly better than the crap from her last album. Doubt this will make the top 10. It'll drop on iTunes at the weekend as par for the course with new releases and then the next week of songs will arrive to push it down even further. Then the cycle will repeat itself if it climbs up again etc etc, and I don't see it getting enough support to overturn that cycle to be honest. Maybe it can scrape the top 20 if it's lucky.

Oh, go on then... Beautiful Liar, since Justin Timberlake is a wasted vote at this moment in time.

Well, people on this forum are hardly representive of the general public... when you start to follow the charts/music obsessively you're bound to remember most songs from that point onwards. I can sing/hum at least the chorus (or one specific part, such as part of a verse or something) of every #1 of the 90s/00s/10s, and a large majority from the 70s/80s, but I know that 99.9999% of the British public can't. That's partly why I think it's funny when we have topics about which songs will be remembered in x years from now on here, as we can hardly judge as people who will probably remember most of the songs anyway, you know? :lol:

These ones didn't use digits :P

Only 'Bleeding Love' being eliminated was surprising out of those for me. But yeah, the only reason the likes of Justin Timberlake and Just Jack have slipped in this far is because they're fairly inoffensive on a list that isn't BJ-friendly in the first place, so they're guaranteed to get much further than if they were competing in the 2008 or 2009 games. I wouldn't be surprised if both made the top 10 to be honest. Well, I expect JT definitely will at least, unfortunately. I have no idea how Fall Out Boy is still here though :lol: Does anybody here actually like this? Looks like they'll be going this round instead of 'Stop Me' now though!

21st Century Girls... euch! The worst girl band ever (yes, even worse than Vanilla!) I would post that horror of a song here for anyone who doesn't know/remember, but it appears nobody has uploaded it to YouTube! Probably because they don't want the shame of it being on their channel, I'd assume.

To be fair, most of the female songs left are pretty great. Only one I don't like is Beyoncé & Shakira but there's others I dislike more so I won't be voting for it yet. I could probably live without 'Shut Up & Drive' and 'About You Now' too but I do like them (even though I'm sick of hearing 'AYN' so much, even 3 and a half years on!). 'Stop Me' definitely shouldn't be going though. I'm actually amused at how Fall Out Boy are still here now :lol: Can we keep them in until the top 10 please? And the only reason this has been the "most diverse" is because, as I mentioned the last time you said this, the list wasn't as BJ-friendly as 2008+2009 in the first place!

I'd be surprised if 'Say It Right' wasn't standing at the end. I can actually see people turning on poor Robyn once all the males are gone :o Voted for Justin Timberlake. Massively dull.

Don't forget S Club 8 too :kink:

I know right. Trust this forum to get all the Katy Perry songs in. Just when we had the brief hope that 'Teenage Dream' was going to miss out *le sigh* Can't believe 'Nothin' On You' almost came last :o That's actually ridiculous. It's so much better than 'Airplanes'. Anyway, enough moaning for now - until I see the results of this, at least. 01 Marina & The Diamonds - Hollywood 02 Lady Gaga & Beyoncé - Telephone 03 Cee Lo Green - Forget You 04 Kylie Minogue - All The Lovers 05 Lady Gaga - Alejandro 06 B.o.B feat. Hayley Williams - Airplanes 07 Alexandra Burke - All Night Long 08 Rihanna feat. Drake - What's My Name? 09 The Saturdays - Ego 10 Eminem feat. Rihanna - Love The Way You Lie Picking a #10 was hard. I can't stand 'Love The Way You Lie' but I can't stand the 10 I didn't vote for either. And I'm incredibly reluctant to give any point to Katy Perry that might help in her victory to be honest. Telephone FTW.

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Loads and loads of acts. At least half of this week's top 40, probably more. Some of the "major" acts that this would affect would be Black Eyed Peas, Rihanna, Take That, JLS, Cheryl Cole, Lady Gaga, Kings of Leon, Jay-Z... you get the idea :lol: They're the two biggest record labels in the world with loads and loads of sub-labels that come under their umbrella group... EDIT: Found this list of Sony Music artists: http://www.sonymusic.co.uk/artists/ And this is Universal Music: http://store.universal-music.co.uk/restofw...ts/icat/artist/

Oh, you weren't really unhelpful as such. At least I now know some irrelevant facts about the history of numbers :lol: But what I was really looking for is a reason why the top 10 is so important. I mean, it's obvious why #1 is more important than #2 (for the reasons I explained in my post on the first page, plus more), but how does that apply to #11 and #10? But I guess we just have to come the conclusion that it's simply this thing that humans have adopted, wherever it's come from. And to be fair, the battle for #10 is sometimes slightly more interesting than the battle for #1, at least, like last week when the latter was a foregone conclusion, so it's not surprising that some chart fans latch on to the next supposed "landmark" position in that case to try to build some suspense for the chart. Although, thinking about it, maybe I just answered my own question about why The Saturdays fans cared so much about if they got to #10 - because it meant they had won the battle with will.i.am, thus it wasn't really the position that they were happy about at all :lol:

Well it's nice to see some people think Britster is that easily replaceable :o :cry:

Britster is M.I.A. :( I don't know what happened to her. The thread almost exploded without her posting the pop. bars. I had to open iTunes and post them myself the other day as several people were having severe panic attacks and babbling incoherently. Even I was beginning to get palpitations and becoming very disorientated.

Oh, I wouldn't claim you were making it up :P I absolutely detest Maths, even though I was top set for it in GCSE and was predicted an A :/ Managed to get away with a B in the end, which I was satisfied with as long as I never had to do that dreadful subject again. Anywayz, even with some idea of the source for it all, it still doesn't make any sense for me applying the logic in chart terms, but I'll just leave it at that before I begin to get an allergic reaction from too much exposure to god damn Maths. Sorry vidcapper, by the way, for turning this into a Maths thread (although it's already somewhat that anyway as sales = numbers) :D

Oh I agree that it's sales that are important at the end of the day. But then you have to remember that sales aren't so widely recorded but peak positions are, which makes it easier to classify things like this for some people, so I can kind of understand it in that respect. :lol: Interesting way of explaining it but I really don't think it's anything to do with fingers and thumbs. I would guess that psychologically we've had it built into our head that "zero" is a round figure (which it is of course is, shape-wise). Even in maths people sometimes round up to the nearest zero at the end of their calculation. When telling the time people don't say "14:33" but round down to "14:30". There's loads of other examples how we have this thing being built into our heads being at use in everyday life. Therefore by the same token people (except me, apparently!) like to apply these same things to the charts and "round up success" to top 10/20/30/40 etc. So it leads to this kind of grouping I was talking about done in the chart. I could probably go further explaining this but I can't be assed really right now, and I think you can kind of get the point anyway? This is indeed true. But it shouldn't really apply to the UK chart which is an entire top 40 countdown on the radio. I think maybe the singles figure thing is another theory too, and then it goes back to people rounding up to zero to get to 10. Maybe psychologically to people once you get out of single figures you're getting into bigger numbers because it has two digits? Just thinking of random ideas now though really.

We still need to get rid of a truckload to make this a half respectable contest :( At least I like all the songs that I think will be there at the end, I suppose... as long as something like Justin Timberlake or Fall Out Boy doesn't slip under the radar to get in, heaven forbid. I vote for 'Valerie' as usual... and I'm not even going to consider the possibility of it going this round so I can be happily surprised if it does.

But what difference does it make? There is no difference between a #11 and a #10 hit (except in sales obviously), just like there isn't any between a #26 and #27. The only reason people think it's somehow important to be in the top 10 is because certain chart fans seem to like to split the charts into some kind of barriers (I can only assume for easier classifications) that go: Top 10 - Big Hit Top 20 - Minor Hit Top 40 or lower - Flop!! Of course, it also doesn't help that things like the Guiness Book of Records have records for top 10 hits. This prestige is all just imaginary and made-up at the end of the day and you can't just split the charts up like a tennis tournament by the round :lol: You can certainly bet any artist doesn't look at things in that way... only the likes of Westlife might care about getting top 10 compared to "only" top 20 so they can keep up their irrelevant top 10 streak. And getting to #1 is obviously very different. If you get #1, you're going to be listed on every chart website that has a list of #1 records. You're going to be played when VH1 or whatever has a rundown of every #1s of the 2000s/1990s whatever. People will remember things like Wet Wet Wet, Rihanna, Bryan Adams etc having their long reigns at #1 because they were the most popular record in the country for so long that they became practically iconic solely because of it. Nobody would care apart from chart fans if Rihanna spent ten weeks at #2. Nobody remembers a record for getting to #2 (apart from in very famous cases like Ultravox 'Vienna') but people do remember a song for getting to #1. That goes down to EVERY other position in the chart. Basically, in chart terms, there's #1, and then there's everything else that quickly becomes irrelevant as soon as the next week rolls along. So really being upset because something got #11 instead of #10 (or even #20 instead of #10) is just, well... stupid (no offence!). As I said they were both big hits, and the gaps in sales away from the top positions is so minor when you really think about it that the difference in how popular they both were is really quite miniscule in most cases...

Who cares if they get top 10 or not? They've still been hits. I don't understand the obsession with the top 10 by some people on this site. Brings me back to The Saturdays fans acting like #11 would have been the end of the world, but #10 is somehow great when 'Higher' was released. Bizarre... I was just sat there scratching my head wondering if it would really make any difference :D Re:Nero, though - I imagine their next single will be bigger, now they're starting to build up their name a bit more. Although it depends on how good it is I suppose, but since they're launching the album off of it I imagine they'll have saved the best for it...

Yeah, there will definitely be a slight dip in the number of new entries. I can imagine most of the songs that peaked from around 21-40 this year (unless they climbed in there, or showed some longevity around that area) probably would have missed out under this system. Which is a shame, really, as the UK was pretty much the only country where someone like Big Boi could get a top 40 hit (and did last year)... Re:new artists - this did cross my mind, too, and I in fact alluded to this in a post here a couple of months ago, but I wouldn't object to newer artists perhaps being given slight leeway and being allowed a few weeks to build up airplay. I'm sure record companies will find some ways to adapt their promotional strategies in the case of breakthrough artists anyway, I'm just not sure really how :lol:

I hope so, too - or the turnover period might indeed become very messy (as this article implies). I can just imagine now some random songs taking advantage of lower sales (due to less front-loading from the record companies involved here) to front-load their way to a #1 debut, and we'll all be like "WTF?!" :nocheer: Also, is this going to be done gradually or are these record labels just suddenly going to unleash all their upcoming releases that have been sent to radio on a certain date? :o This is probably a stupid question and I'm sure it's probably the former, but just in case. Maybe this is why they bought Britney forward - isn't Jive an off-shoot of Sony? :unsure:

This is going to lead to such messy chart runs. It's not going to be like the "old days" of records climbing like this article suggests (for new artists and less established ones, yes), but big artists are going to have runs like 3-11-17-8-4-5... The internet is far too advanced with things like that to go back those days. Every fan knows when their favourite artist is releasing because of websites/social networking etc, and even if they don't iTunes usually has a massive advert up whenever a really big song is released (like H.A.M.) One good thing, though: this may bring slower turnover at the top, with less of these "non-#1s". Going to be interesting to see the impact this has on the chart in the rest of 2011. Hopefully this can also avoid another 'Love The Way You Lie'-type situation and get records to peaks that more match their sales. I would guess our charts may become more like Australia, movement-wise. At least it'll be interesting not knowing how high a song can go, where/when it will peak etc, so from a chart watcher (and as a music buyer) point of view this is very good news. Rock/indie music will probably suffer even more now, though, at least until it becomes marketable again (from the record labels' perspective) - but oh well, I'm used to this at this point :lol:

+7 Olly Murs - Thinking Of Me +5 Ellie Goulding - Your Song +3 Willow - Whip My Hair +2 Cheryl Cole - The Flood +1 Black Eyed Peas - The Time (Dirty Bit) -1 Kanye West & Jay-Z - H.A.M