davetaylor

Well it was just not based on sales, Steve. Here's how that chart was compiled. NME take 25 Charts of Top 20 sellers, from 25 Shops. Then, those 25 charts have their positions averaged out. So, 20 points for a #1, 19 for a #2, all the way down to 1 point for a #20. Likely Al Martino achieved 500 points for his #1, at a maximum. The rest is worked out into a top 12, with all ties, making it a top 15 & very close to the Sheet Musc Charts. Which were launched by Melody Maker, before the war. Then given a breather. It was about the end of 1955, when Singles started to overtake Sheet Music. No Radio Station in the UK, broadcasted Singles Charts, until March 1958 (that being the Pick Of The Pops almagamated averaged NME/MM/DISC/Record Mirror top 20s. Radio Luxembourg dropped the Sheet Music Chart, for the NME Top 20 in January 1960. From July 1966, NME supplied them, with a weekend top 20 (different from the one in the paper). From March 1967, Radio Luxembourg used their own made up chart, until 1978, when they began to use the Record Business Top 30. BBC LIGHT PROGRAMME continued with Average charts. Dropping Record Mirror in May 1960, so they just averaged NME, DISC & MELODY MAKER. On the 31st March, the average featured NME, DISC, MELODY MAKER & Record Retailer. Though Record Retailer was slated for having small polls of just 30 shops & separated hidden tied positions, whilst other papers had 75, 100 & 150 polled shops. Melody Maker swallowed up DISC's chart in 1967. So the BBC average used NME, DISC & RECORD RETAILER. A mistake in NME in August 1968, led to a wrong 3 way tie, on the BBC Top 30. This led to the forming a first computerised sales panel chart on 11th Feb 1969. Though this was also open to many short falls of returns, right up to the mid 70s. It wasn't really accepted by most people, until mid 1971. If anyone starts talking about Official Charts, before 1969...Then, they are LYING! Coz, there wasn't one.

Got to be Billy Fury, easily.

Well as we know Robbie, even they do not have access to chart sales info, previous to 1994. This particular list, just contradicts itself, & there doesn't seem to be any continuity method to it. A bit of a mess. Methodically we know that "The Harry Lime Theme" & Anton Karas was the best seller of 1950 & "Too Young" with the almighty Jimmy Young, was the best seller in 1951.

Definately not the case. If that was the case you'd of had Rock Around The Clock for 1955, Merry Christmas Everybody from 1973 & Bohemain Rhapsody from 1975. Trust me. This programme is reknown for coming out with confusion. Whatever happened to proper BBC producers like Roger Pusey & the late great Bernie Andrews, & not some ex-Capital Radio Unique Broadcasting mob? Good Griefna! :cry: Although no lists of best selling singles exist for 1952-69, as all charts (in those days) were based on points & NOT sales. And it's pretty much a big mockery, as the BBC did their first Top 20 on 29th March 1958 with David Jacobs.

A lot of this show was nonsense. Distant Drums, In The Summertime, Tainted Love were the actual best sellers of 1966, 1970 & 1981 respectively & not what Phillip Swern decided on. Plus (i'm pretty 99% certain) thae Are You Lonesome Tonight was the top seller of 1961 & not Wooden Heart.

The Saturday top 30 was the New Record Business Magazine Top 30. Which (of course) was based on a Fri to Thurs period. UK's Biggest Top 30, I think they called it. That started in March 1978. Top 10 Past & Present was where Capital got their idea, for Pick Of The Pops - Take Two, from. By 1983, this had become a Vintage Chart type show & played a couple of old Top 20s. In early December 1983, they did December 66 & December 76. Both out of the Radio Luxembourg archives, of course. That one, ran from 10pm - midnight. I can't recall what directly, what they called it. Something like "Flashback", I have an inkling of.

Songs that just missed the Top 50 between 7th July 73 & 27th Oct 73: 51 TIME TO GET DOWN - THE O'JAYS 7th July 52 OOH WHAT A FEELING - JOHNNY NASH 7th July 53 IT'S ONLY MONEY - ARGENT 14th July 51 MARIA MAGENTA - DONOVAN 21st July 52 GERDUNDULA - STATUS QUO 4th Aug 55 ARE YOU MAN ENOUGH - FOUR TOPS 11th Aug 55 MORNING GLOW - MICHAEL JACKSON 18th Aug 55 THE CLAPPING SONG - SHIRLEY ELLIS (RE-ISSUE) 1st Sept 51 VICIOUS/SATELLITE OF LOVE - LOU REED 8th Sept 54 THEY'RE COMING TO TAKE ME AWAY HA HA - NAPOLEAN IX (RE-ISSUE) 15th Sept 51 CRYING IN THE RAIN - MARTY KRISTIAN (OF THE NEW SEEKERS) 22nd Sept 52 SHINE ON SILVER SUN - THE STRAWBS 22nd Sept 53 WE'VE GOT TO DO IT NOW - THE NEW SEEKERS 22nd Sept 73 54 ROCK & ROLL PEOPLE - BOBBY MCGEE 22nd Sept 56 OH SHE IS A BIG GIRL NOW - JUDGE DREAD 29th Sept 57 TIE A YELLOW RIBBON - BING CROSBY 29th Sept 6th Oct ALL I KNOW - ART GARFUNKEL BATTLE OF NEW ORLEANS - THE HOTSHOTS CLOUDS - DAVID GATES DAN THE BANJO MAN - DAN THE BANJO MAN DON'T GET YOUR KNCKERS IN A TWIST - JOHNNY REGGAE DOWN AT THE CLUB - CHAOS HOLLY HOLY - JUNIOR WALKER & THE ALL STARS MONY MONY - TOMMY JAMES & THE SHONDELLS (RE-ISSUE) MY MERRY GO ROUND - JOHNNY NASH THINKING - ROGER DALTREY WHEREWITHAL - CLIFFORD T. WARD WILL IT GO ROUND IN CIRCLES - BILLY PRESTON 13th Oct BAND OF GOLD - FREDA PAYNE (RE-ISSUE) COME LIVE WITH ME - RAY CHARLES LOOK ME UP - BLUE MAGIC WONDERFUL - COLIN BLUNSTONE 20th Oct IT'S A GAME - STRING DRIVEN THING PEACEMAKER - ALBERT HAMMOND PLAY AROUND - LINDA LEWIS SWEET DESIREE - FAMILY SWEET LADY GENEVIEVE - THE KINKS 27th Oct HALF BREED - CHER MIDNIGHT TRAIN TO GEORGIA - GLADYS KNIGHT & THE PIPS STAYED AWAKE ALL NIGHT - BACHMAN TURNER OVERDRIVE STONED OUT OF MY MIND - CHI-LITES TIME IS TIGHT - BOOKER T & THE MGs (RE-ISSUE) WHEN YOU SMILE - ROBERTA FLACK YOU'VE GOT MY SOUL ON FIRE - EDWIN STARR

And it will have the lowest turn out ever.

I believe it did. For Zeus: 8 Track Cartridges took us into the 70s, & the cassette came popular from 72/73 onwards

This is a note to everyone. A certain Facebook group (apparently called UK Top 40 Chart Chat) has been brought to my attention. A couple of saddos on there, are copying & pasting posts from Buzzjack. The Rihanna sales thread has been posted there & the YTD charts, are also being nicked, weekly. I know a lot of hard work goes into Buzzjack threads & the people that start, them. It's grossily unfair that these urchins, constantly steal other people's work & don't even source material, or give you any credit. Some of them even nick, other sites logos, too. If you notice this kind of thing, don't be afraid to give them a personal message (failing a kick in the teeth) :teresa:

Not the Radio One chart, Euro Music! That's very incorrect. This was the Radio One Chart: 30 27 THERE GOES MY EVERYTHING - ENGLEBERT 29 NE THE LETTER - MINDBENDERS 28 20 PLEASANT VALLEY SUNDAY 27 21 YOU KEEP ME HANGING ON - VANILLA FUDGE 26 17 HOUSE THAT JACK BUILT - ALAN PRICE SET 25 NE FROM THE UNDERWORLD - THE HERD 24 NE WHEN WILL THE GOOD APPLES FALL - SEEKERS 23 24 FIVE LITTLE FINGERS - FRANKIE MCBRIDE 22 29 ODE TO BILLY JOE - BOBBIE GENTRY 21 18 BURNING OF THE MIDNIGHT LAMP - JIMI HENDRIX 20 22 GOOD TIMES - ERIC BURDON & THE ANIMALS 19 16 I WAS MADE TO LOVE HER - STEVIE WONDER 18 13 WE LOVE YOU - ROLLING STONES 17 11 HEROES & VILLAINS - BEACH BOYS 16 19 BLACK VELVET BAND - DUBLINERS 15 26 MASSACHUSETTS - BEE GEES 14 12 JUST LOVING YOU - ANITA HARRIS 13 22 THE LETTER - BOX TOPS 12 09 EVEN THE BAD TIMES ARE GOOD - TREMOLOES 11 14 DAY I MET MARIE - CLIFF RICHARD 10 07 SAN FRANCISCO - SCOTT MCKENSIE 09 15 THERE MUST BE A WAY - FRANKIE VAUGHAN 08 04 I'LL NEVER FALL IN LOVE AGAIN - TOM JONES 07 10 HOLE IN MY SHOE - TRAFFIC 06 05 LET'S GOT TO SAN FRANCISCO - FLOWERPOT MEN 05 03 ITCHYCOO PARK - SMALL FACES 04 06 REFLECTIONS - DIANA ROSS & THE SUPREMES 03 08 FLOWERS IN THE RAIN - THE MOVE 02 02 EXCERPT FROM A TEENAGE OPERA - KEITH WEST 01 01 THE LAST WALTZ - ENGLEBERT HUMPERDINCK Oh course "The Last Waltz" was not even playlisted by Radio One. This is the difference between Pirate Radio & Radio One. Radio One was supposed to be the legal substitute for Pirate stations...Except the missed one thing. Pirate Radio had an enormous age range. Radio One was aiming at the teenage market. Pirate stations constantly played out Englebert, Frankie Vaughan, Anita Harris. Radio One did not.

I'd hazard a guess, that it's iTunes, with pre-orders included, but I don't know. It has last Saturday's date on it. So, it must update, each Saturday. In which case, it's the complete week on iTunes & you've got the pre-orders in, as a bonus. Bit of a clue, to what is likely to happen, the following week, i'd guess. Obviously they could use "Official" as in "Official" week on iTunes, only. I've been playing around with it & if you remove the pre-order bit, the top ten turns into the first part of Big Top 40, when they start the show by playing the top 10 of the week on iTunes. Funny, what you stumble on! Plus it looks like "Chart Show TV" base their top 20 singles chart, around it. Though in an abstract form i.e. we're not playing that or that. There's an album feed too: http://www.uktop40.co.uk/official_top_40_albums.rss

I noticed this UK Top 40 Charts site & wonder where this feed is from? (I'd guess iTunes) But what is based on? As it say's official & up to date. Which it does look, like. It's certainly not the rolling iTunes chart. Is it rolling on a complete week? http://www.uktop40.co.uk/official_top_40.rss

Whilst I make shows for Atlantic Oldies 2NG, also check out Oldies Pardise, too. I would actually say, it's better than 2NG, but I shouldn't really...

Many songs were ignored by Luxembourg's chart. Stuart Gillies (Amanda), Neil Reid, Johnny Pearson, Max Romeo, & all Judge Dread records...to name just a few. Some just too easy listening, others banned, were just dismissed. Hence, why it never mean't a thing & was completely made up. And you thought Big Top 40, was rather daft, ay! Though it's good to see them, Luxembourg's chart was just a guess of the following week's Radio One chart, minus their non airplay stuff. The w/k ending 1st Jan 72 can't be correct, as there wasn't a radio one chart, that week (Tues 28th Dec 71). The last one of that period was w/k 25th December 71 & announced on Tuesday 21st Dec 71 at 12.30pm, by Alan Freeman. Chart books are no good for that period, as they too, have the incorrect date. It's probably "the guess" for Tuesday 4th Jan 72. The missed chart dates of Radio One (when they never used a new chart) were: Tuesday 26th Dec 67 (The averaged top 30 never compiled, as Melody Maker didn't publish that week) Tuesday 24th Dec 68 (ditto) Tuesday 30th Dec 69 Tuesday 29th Dec 70 Tuesday 28th Dec 71 Tuesday 26th Dec 72 Tuesday 25th Dec 73 Tuesday 31st Dec 74 Tuesday 30th Dec 75 Tuesday 28th Dec 76 Tuesday 27th Dec 77 Tuesday 26th Dec 78 Tuesday 25th Dec 79 (although this chart was announced on Tuesday 1st Jan 80, a week out of date) Tuesday 30th Dec 80 Tuesday 29th Dec 81 Tuesday 28th Dec 82 Tuesday 27th Dec 83 Tuesday 25th Dec 84 (This chart was compiled & appears in chart books, but Radio One, ignored it)

Midlands! Noddy Holder land. Always found Wolverhampton, quite a good place to stop on the way to the ATV Studios. Alan is originally Welsh, though. Never met Mr Talbot. He must have kept a low profile in a secluded niche, at MW! :lol:

This would explain much! ;) What's his name?

I think to get a reply, you have to be in with a clique, as I too wrote to them & never got any reply. No matter regularly atteding the annual Music Week Xmas do!

Yes. I have always said an Album is an Album. It's easy to see, who the top artist are in a combined chart, but not easy to see, what the top selling overall album is. Though it's sacrilege that no one, ever gets to see the complete combined chart anymore. If both were readily available, it wouldn't be so damn, annoying.

The 1972 ones would be particularly interesting if you could post them?

Although "current books" don't recognise many BMRB ties, all even Music Week in the 70s. Radio One announced a handful of ties, on the Countdown in the 1969 to 81 period, that don't appear in books today. When there was a tie (& they weren't separated), you'd get the higher position of the week before taking, the first #11 (as in 1976, when Smokie tied with the Real Thing). Same as those original BBC Charts in the 50s & 60s. Even the 3 way tie at #1, could of been separated on the same scale (although there was a mistake in positions, on the week before). That way, Herb Alpert would take #1 honours. This situation had been put in force, when Radio One began & Denys Jones, had no ties in the BBC Chart from September 67 & March 68, but obviously had a change of heart, for some explicable reason. Though if 2 records were falling & tied, these were still separated. Always confusing & ever changing. Should a tie be left in? I think it should.

In retrospect, if you go back to the 60s/70s etc. The majority of records were released on Fridays. Hence not entering the chart in really high positions, unless you were people like Daryl Denham's written "Going Underground". The Jam were rather cagey by putting out their records on a Monday, so you'd go straight to #1 with the full week's sale. This is actually where the drugged up/nutcase Sex Pistols went wrong. Aha. If they'd put "God Save The Queen" out on a Monday, then it would of entered the chart at number one, with over 100,000 sales, but they did not. So, only cleared 20,000 for 2 days sales & entered at #11, to lose out on week 2 on just over 80,000. If you want to enter the chart & grab a higher position, you've got to get a complete week's sales in & it's still true today. It's no good putting out a song on a Wednesday. Get it out on the Sunday, regardless of whether people are demanding it & some station is playing it. If you wait, you'll get a bigger first complete week sale & a bigger chart position in the bargain. Daryl Denham & Paul Weller were not stupid. Obviously artists & their Record companies today, don't really care about chart position, anyway.

It should of been given to the great Reggie Yates. He'd be brilliant. Just the person to turn boring radio, into an even bigger shambles.

ITV must have time on their hands to want to come up, with something so boring. Bring's to mind that "Gold" station in London! :huh: Notice they don't have the Glitter in this poll. Oh, the terror of TV!

It all adds up to nonsense. If you count every #1 from every music paper & the BBC from 1952 onwards, then you find that the 1200th #1, was actually some 5 years ago!