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I don't believe in evolution. I was attempting to look at it from YOUR perspective, which is obviously more than you could ever do for me. See that one word up there? "Excuse." THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING THE WHOLE TIME. People use it as an EXCUSE - but you can use ANYTHING as an excuse. Hell, you could say the tree told you to kill someone, and that would still be an excuse. Just as mad as saying your religion told you to do it. Oh yeah...bashing religions in your spare time is a great way of showing how spiritual you are... What falls under the category of 'organized religion,' exactly? Because my religion is not based on my Sunday worship services and Wednesday night prayers....I rarely even go to church at all anymore. My religion is based on what I BELIEVE and my opinions on the world. It has nothing to do with what everyone around me is doing. We have this thing over here called "Separation of Church and State"...perhaps you may have heard of it...:P We aren't allowed to do anything religious at school. Our teachers aren't allowed to mention religion at all. I DO agree with this, because while I, myself, am religious, I understand that other people may not choose to be, or may choose another religion entirely. [Perhaps a few of the people on here could try to be open-minded like that and accept that I'm religious, yeah?] Perhaps you could back off of me a bit. It's from a song, if you'd like to know. My username has absolutely no relevance whatsoever to this conversation. However, is this a bit more suitable for you? Or shall I be forced to always live with the horror of OMG ROB NOT LIKING MY USERNAME! *hides under bed* :rolleyes: Oh my Lord - some of you really HAVEN'T matured, have you? If it makes you feel any better at all, russt68, I do not attend church regularly and when I do, I neither clap, nor attend a Baptist church in Louisiana :) I do not claim a denomination, and if you ever catch me "caterwauling," you have permission to shoot me. Maybe you're confused. I was actually too busy reading about nineteenth century England when these posts were made. I can see most of you are completely close-minded and I really do feel sorry for you....If you want to stick to your beliefs, that is FINE by me, but I would appreciate the same courtesy from you. After all, was this thread not based on homosexuality? I believe it was...and I also believe you were too busy yelling at some kid who isn't even listening to you anymore to remember that. Though I am sure everything I say will be argued with, I really believe every word I've typed....

Well, then I am proud to say I've never attended that church, and to be honest, I've never heard of one anywhere NEAR here that says anything of the sort. Also, I think saying "the church" in general can never be completely correct...for regardless of the religion, different denominations in different places preach different ideals. Everyone is allowed their own interpretation of the Bible, and merely because you have heard of some churches preaching such awful disregard for human life does not mean that "the church" as a whole does. Alright, then. You are, of course, entitled to whatever opinion you feel is right. I was only stating that spirituality and religion are connected. Maybe not for you, but for people in general...since you all are so fond of bloody blanket statements. Perhaps you could grow up a bit and allow me to have my own beliefs. Am I forcing Christianity on you? No. Don't try to force your own $h!t on me, kay? I was not referring to Earth itself, you dimwit...I was referring to the things ON Earth. People? Animals? I believe you were the one speaking of things atheism does and does not preach...but whatever. I was being petty, because you seem to be very skilled at arguing with little girls halfway across the world. What a talent.

That's...really weird. But congratulations to them.

Just because YOU don't choose to believe in it doesn't make it nonsense. May God have mercy on your soul, man. I completely disagree. It IS an excuse. People don't like homosexuality, so they say, hey, religion doesn't encourage this, we can say that's why we don't like it! OHHH THAT'S FUNNY. Obviously you've never read the Bible. It talks of things that will happen in the future, things that are already happening...strange that you're making points that don't correspond with the subject. Are you saying that supposedly everything God created is good? Now THAT'S funny. He obviously didn't want a perfect world; otherwise he wouldn't have created killing, the human will, anything. You seem to have nothing better to do than diss Christianity. I honestly find that quite sad indeed. Also...atheism doesn't preach ANYTHING, does it? :P Actually, it made sense - because if you think about it evolutionwise, all we are is another type of animal. More intelligent, maybe (after conversations like these I wonder about that though), but just another mammal. Wow...if that's happened...I sure have missed something xD Someone who grasps the basic concept! Ah, amazing. Christianity teaches that killing is WRONG. So it wouldn't make sense to suggest Christianity preaching the killing of homosexuals. Do your homework before you make idiotic responses about Christianity being based on KILLING. That's absolutely right. SHUT UP WITH THAT. Christianity and killing are polar opposites. Christians have killed, yes - but people of EVERY RELIGION, even those WITHOUT religion kill! Killing and religion really aren't connected so closely! Besides, it would seem that someone who is a Christian would have the best knowledge of what the religion DOES and DOESN'T preach - and I can assure you that they do NOT tell us to go out and kill homosexuals when we go to church. xD Oh yeah THAT made sense. Spirituality and religion are two peas in a pod. Enriching spirituality is FINDING religion. Let's consult a dictionary, shall we.... SPIRITUALITY 1 : something that in ecclesiastical law belongs to the church or to a cleric as such 2 : sensitivity or attachment to religious values RELIGION 1 : the service and worship of God or the supernatural 2 : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance 3 : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices 4 : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith Can you really find a significant difference in that...?

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I really liked it :) The thing with the chick being "super" was kind of...well, more confusing than anything else...but overall it was a really good movie :D It was really sad near the end.

My family likes Ron Paul, actually - but he's had very little campaigning and therefore isn't a likely candidate....But that's off subject anyway. But you must understand that there are SO MANY cases that are completely different from yours. Yours cannot be the basis for the "norm" of homosexuality. That's...well...for lack of a better term, NIFTY. I'd never thought of it like that before. Well, suppose there IS a God after all...:P Also - what good would removing sex drive do? Then there would be no population at all! Besides, nature has its own ways of helping species evolve...it's called adaptation :D But isn't that the same with humans? We weren't always as overcrowded as we are now. It was, for a while, unnatural for there to be so many of us - but we got used to it, adapted to the conditions over time. Homosexuality could have been one of those adaptations - or it couldn't. I can't really offer any opinion because I'm no scientist. I have to admit I'm rather offended by that. Religion is by no means 'superstituous nonsense.' Also - religion is more of an excuse for people disliking homosexuals, not a reason.

I'd like to think that even Bush isn't quite so stupid as to go THAT far. Didn't he admit that he regrets his legacy as a president who wanted war? He IS, afterall, human, and generally people want everyone to think the best of them....I think it's more likely that he WOULDN'T attack Iran in November because it would really make no sense for him to continue something he regrets. That's a very good point. ...If that's true, we're worshipping different gods. The goal is to love everyone...thou shalt not kill...this hardly counts as WAR anymore, this should be considered mass murder in my opinion.

People are always going to sin. It's wrong, but it's inevitable. I think it's stupid to BAN homosexual marriages - I'm not necessarily PRO-same-sex marriages, but I'm not against it, either. People can do what they want, as long as I don't have to watch them do it :P Exactly. Christianity discourages it (not that it can be helped in the first place), but it doesn't say HATE THOSE WHO ARE HOMOSEXUAL or anything stupid like that. Wasn't the original goal for everyone to love one another? Well...yeah, really. The majority of people are heterosexual, and a lot of those people frown upon homosexuals, which, in a way, makes their children dislike homosexuals...so it's a continuous cycle. As far as I know, no one discourages heterosexuality, because it's kind of the "norm" and can't really be considered "wrong," no matter how you look at it. Not that I think any kind of sexuality is "wrong" - but unfortunately some people think only their way is the right way....

xD Yeah, I'll go along with that.... That's for sure. Since we were about in fifth grade, that's about 10 or 11 years old, people have been claiming to be bisexual or homosexual...and really, I think it's sad that people even care at our age.... Haha I have an idea, why don't we just stop showing anything of a remotely sexual nature on television? xD Then maybe all these homophobic idiots would shut their faces, because there'd be nothing to complain about. Though watch people complain that we're sheltering children too much from the facts of life....Yeah. There's no winning in this situation. People are always going to be homophobic and ridiculous. It has NOTHING to do with the country they live in or under what government they live. It's part of some people's minds and the way they were brought up - and Lord knows that isn't going to change. Ever. Also, I would like to point out that there are a ton of religious people who aren't homophobes. Again, religion isn't really a deciding factor, unless you're insanely dependent on your religion and live by every word of it....However, "normal" people, the majority of people, don't. It's all weighed on your individual opinions. My parents lean toward the homophobic side, but I walk around school with "HOMOPHOBIA IS GAY" written all over my arms. So. :P

I know I was supposed to leave, but I had to add this. I figured, hey, I'm fourteen, I don't know everything about politics. So I asked a few adults around here if they'd ever heard 'liberal' used offensively, and none of them have. Actually, my grandmother is a self-proclaimed liberal. So. Make what you will of that.

Well maybe in their part of the country...I've never heard it used as a dirty word. It's just another political term.

It's the only song I've heard by them, but WOW. I love it I definitely recommend it if you haven't heard. Does anyone else listen to them?

First of all, what's wrong with pro-life? Also - yes, there are Republicans who are pro-death penalty or homophobic. But guess what? There are a ton that aren't (my family, for example, and most of the people who live anywhere near me), and there are also a load of Independents and Democrats who are a bunch of homophobic theoretical murderers. Oh, that's not a blanket statement AT ALL....Do you realize how much of America is racist and homophobic? A ton of it. It isn't as if it's the Republicans and no one else. It's SOME of the Republicans and SOME of the Democrats and SOME of the lazy idiots who won't get off their ass and vote. Liberal isn't offensive. I don't know if you really know EVERYTHING about American politics, considering I highly doubt you've lived for a considerable amount of time in every region of the US (and if you have, forgive me, but I don't think you spent a lot of time studying the South's habits and ways). Liberal is used in almost every political debate, on the news, and not in an offensive manner.... *frustrated sigh* Okay, you know what? I think I'm a little out of my league with this, and I'm getting too aggravated to make a feasible response. Here begins my second attempt to bow out of the conversation, let's see if I can do it xD

Is it completely unbearable for you if I keep my reasons to myself? I prefer not to get into it again, I was TRYING to leave earlier but apparently that doesn't work..."agreeing to disagree" usually implies the closing of a conversation.... Do you know any Republicans personally, or are you basing all of your judgments on politicians? All politicians lie, not just Republicans! I have to admit I'm more than offended at your constantly acting as if there has never been a law-abiding, good-hearted Republican in this world...I could introduce you to some if you are in doubt. If I don't become a Republican, rest assured I will not become a Democrat. If anything other than Republican I think I'll be Independent. I think political parties are bull$h!t anyway. I was merely using that phrase because that's what he was saying. I am fourteen.

Haha, don't worry, I wasn't serious about any of that. I just don't think my reasons for disliking Obama are really relevant in this discussion. They really have nothing to do with this thread, in any way. Btw, thank you for explaining without trying to degrade me - I'm still going to support who I think I should support, but it was nice anyway.

Does it matter that much, anyway? Maybe I'm a good little Christian who doesn't want a President who was raised by a mother known as "detached from religion," a father who was "raised a Muslim," but a "confirmed atheist" by the time his parents met, and a step-father, "a man who saw religion as not particularly useful," regardless of what he's done since then. Maybe I'm a hardcore Republican who wouldn't choose a Democrat if they were the last person on Earth. Not that any of those reasons are true, but wouldn't you only argue with me more if I were to tell the truth? :P

Sorry, but I happen to think McCain would do the least damage. I'm not a fan of Obama, for my own reasons. Besides...it's not like I'm ENDORSING him. I would just prefer that he wins the election. It isn't as if I can vote, anyway. I've read a few of those posts. It doesn't matter what their nationality is; all that matters is that our opinions aren't the same. It's been known to happen, you know. I think we're going to have to agree to disagree here.

Um...yeah, that would make it partially her mother's fault. This is stupid. I was "emo" before I decided labels are for people who can't find themselves. I was suicidal. Did it have anything to do with MCR? NO. MCR helped me OUT of my depression. I left a nice little comment telling them to do the necessary research before blaming a band for anyone's death. Apparently they haven't heard how Gerard tells the crowd at every show that if they're feeling depressed or suicidal, to find help immediately. Yeah.

Do I look like I can do anything about what my government chooses to do? Just because I'm not storming the White House with my gang of rebels doesn't mean I AGREE with everything they decide up in Washington.

When I was 14, they didn't teach you about this in school. When I was 14, all we had to rely upon for information was the media, which obviously made everything seem like we were doing the right thing. When I was 14, I was one of the only ones I knew who even HAD an opinion on these matters, no matter how much you might disagree with it. I'm not using it as an excuse, per se - I'm just telling you that I DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING that you might expect me to know. For example, all of that stuff you just mentioned? I've never heard of any of it. Call me stupid if you will, but maybe around here things don't work the way they do where you live. All of this is not to mention I never said I agree with the war in Iraq. I HATE the war, I think we should've been out of there long ago! It's not as if I'm saying, "Hell yeah, kill the lot of them!" I wish we'd get our troops back home ASAP! So do most Americans, no matter their age. It isn't like OUR opinions matter - all that matters are the decisions of Congress and the President. If they don't want to leave the Middle East, then we're going to continue to occupy that area until hell freezes over. But it's not so simple as you make it out to be! Do you honestly think anyone I could talk to would be willing to oppose the government? We're all going to speak our minds, and people can bash the government as much as they want, but when it comes down to it, they're NOT going to make a stand. Again, maybe where you live, you know people who have enough guts to do that. But tbh, I'd never do anything of the sort. Sorry I'm not all-for overthrowing our government and running the highly probably risk of getting thrown into jail before I'm even old enough to drive. If you'd like to buy a plane ticket and come over here to do it for us, you're perfectly welcome to. I'm not the kind of person who'd really like to be doing time at fourteen.

I didn't mean you in particular - that was directed towards my fellow Americans...not the people on this site :)

Yeah, like demanding our President's head is going to get us anywhere but prison, and for a good damn while. Also, considering this is NOT 1776 and we are NOT under the same government, bringing up the American Revolution does no good. Last I checked, our President is NOT George Washington, so obviously the government has changed quite a bit. Oh yeah, as opposed to all those LEGAL wars :P Yes, we do value truth, liberty, and justice - but not when it constitutes our heads being blown off. As for your cousin, I am sorry that he had to go through all of that, BUT, afterall, wasn't it his decision to go into the war to begin with? That's what war is - blood and more blood. I'm anti-war, don't get me wrong, but if you're going into battle...I dunno, it just seems as if you would expect to see gore. I'm honestly not trying to seem cruel but that's what war is all about. After the suicide bombers we've already dealt with...who knows? I agree entirely with the above statement btw Also, just to throw it out there before everyone carries on thinking Americans are, in general, uneducated and stupid and anything else you'd like to label me, I'd like to inform everyone that I'm only 14, haven't even BEGUN high school yet, and therefore do not know every particular of every statement that's been made. I also ask you not to take advantage of that, as (as far as I know) all of you were 14 at one point or another and I doubt everyone was as educated as you are now.

We'd have the $h!t scared out of us, that's what we'd do. I agree. It does no good to make threats, even idle ones. Someone's going to get angry, and here comes the war all over again. I disagree. Maybe some people of power want MORE power - but that can't be attributed to only Americans! [btw. I hate being called a Yank; where I come from, that's what we call airheaded northerners] There are plenty of Americans who would have nothing but peace. There isn't much that can be done if our President thinks war is the right way to go. I think it was understandable to begin the war, since we had been attacked - but we should have been gone long ago. We aren't getting anything done now, other than blood and more blood. Then again, I suppose my being anti-war is rather a bias, but Americans in general want out now. Obama is the only candidate who hasn't addressed the war to my knowledge. But from what I've seen on here, he would continue it. Basically, there isn't much we can do. Hillary Clinton promised to attack people if she was elected, and McCain is all for continuing the war. There isn't much hope now, is there? And anyway, I don't think information like this should be released. Anything to do with war should be concealed from the public to prevent the "enemy" getting hold of it.

Well, I must admit that I think we should have been out of Iraq quite some time ago, but I'm sick of everyone blaming Bush. You elected him, did you not? And if Congress voted for Bush's ideas, that's their own damn fault. Oh, well. Glad to see this site is lacking Republicans xP I'll just have to speak extra-loud or something. Go McCain! :cheer: