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Do they plan any prmotion for it? Without promotion i don't see bothering the top 75 :cry:

Oh dear :unsure: . This won't be for sure the worst song on Eurovision, but it needs some reworking and refining!

I don't like her to much, from the last four i liked her the least . The song is not quite bad, but i don't see this in top 10, she has not really the power and versatility to bring that to a public which didn't know her at all from before, as the publicum from Eurovision is.

As exactly Gary's songs were disspointing for me on the Cicrus, i hope he packs all his songwritting creativity this time. Also the other TT members.

I have always hated thes kiss and tell stories. If she was sorry for Emma or for the kids she would have stop the relationship, not him, she would have said to Emma, not to The Sun and not sellling her story for a book. She is just hunting the money, she balckmailed Mark already, so , what for a quality of woman do you expect she is? I needed three years of ork to put apart that money she received only once from Mark. At least Mark choosed the right woman to make children with :lol:

Actually Gordon Smart is friend with Gary, that way is not so bad now with Mark.

I do think he tryed to hold everything under control also with drugs and alcohol. But exactly this kind of addicition as he has where the addicted keeped himself under control the most of the time, are the worst to get control over. I mean, he was never drunk on the interviews, promotion, TV and radio apparition (apart from one Brit award show, which shows actually how insecure and afraid he was) or at the gigs. He was never to be seen drunk when he was with his kids. He drank always after work... Also he didn't seemed under drugs to me in none pic or video. Robbie got out of control a lot, Mark didn't in his public appearance. Mark is a little bit like Michael J Fox, he was also "nice" and "cute" and a heavy silent drunker. I have told you all the time that Mark had a lot of hard times, not only Gary. But the silent ones are the deepest ones. For those taking the time to listen to his solo songs, his third dimension was clear (tip, just look on youtube after "Wasting away" and "Baby I'm not good", to see what i mean). I am glad he got in the clinic, as he is now really hitting the bottom. His family problems are his and Emma to clear, so i won't discuss anymore. I just hope that his friends, those people he helped over the years will stand by him now and help him. I hate the idea that the other four are keeping making the album without him for example. Postponing seems to me still a better idea: can you see Mark in 6 month capable to make promotion tour? Getting questions after questions? Surviving the scrutinity of papers and public? I don't! And if they do in the formel 3+or-Robbie, TT is ended for me, as it will be the TT 1 again all over when they let Robbie down and continue without the one "with problems". Image over friendship. I am a bit sad that the other three didn't bother with a message on TTO, a little "Get well, we are beside to you" would be nice to hear. But yeah, Norma, TTO (i have said also a lot of times before) is one of the worse and lame band website i saw. Cheating is not nice, is one of the worse thing a man could do to his wife, but he did that not to the public or his fans. People forget too easy that he gave in his music the best for the fans, that he was always the heart in live gigs, that he was the one always smilling and having a good word for the fans, that he has done a lot for charities (not on the scale Gary did, he liked more small charities and causes), that he helped a lot of artists, his backing musicians. He did a lot of mistakes but also a lot of good. Like every person in the world.... That is the last thing i had to say on this thema. It is up to him now and up to his friends to help him. His music has helped me in my dark times, so now is my turn to support further the artist Mark Owen.

Maybe the media will forget for a moment, but that would be the thema at every interview they will done in promotion, i can bet about it. And the fans won't forget either. Well, he must pay for what he has done, i won't judge Emma for neither decision she may take. Sometimes i think that being creative for a male person goes hand in hand with being a fully idiot :rolleyes: (and i won't bet on Robbie or Gary for being other way, if i were you Norma :teresa: ). I don't think that TT are tired for being a pop-group. I think they are tired for receiving so much attention, for keeping their mouth shout, playing safe and the role of perfect man. That was the first time round, that is also now. They all should learn for it (give me a break, how the other didn't know about it? They learn very quicky when a person is very often following them). At Howard was only the ring missing, but is quite the same story. At least Jason has no kids. I won't comment on Gary as at him the rumours are really the fewest and Robbie i was no interested to read anything about him, but knowing how "sweet" and "on a plate" the pop-star" life is, i won't put my money on a pop-star ever for being an angel.

I don't think six months will be enough. Damn, i want to read in promotion time articles about the music they made and not about this story, over and over again. By The Circus they got only asked about Robbie. Now it will be that ... It might be that they will get far less fans in UK and more buyers and publicity (which was tending to 0 for The Circus) in Germany. Germany is not such impressed by good guy image like UK. That is why there is a very different perception of Robbie in Germany and TT are considered boring...

Months or a year at least. That with drinking was not a news, but very few people have read his solo interviews. He said back in time that when he was down he used to drink (he didn't said he was alkoholiker or so strong drinker, only that he used to drink at bad times)... Not everybody smiling is really happy. Also that he is such a nice person doesn't mean he is perfect. I think someone blackmailed him. No way that he comes with such a news other way. Apart from Gary the other three let very little from themselves and were very private. Like i said, it is not my problem to judge what he makes in his private times. I know a lot of TT fans will be dissapointed, as they think the TT members are saints. It is a big problem that the fans are majority female, as for them the perfect image is very important. I hope they will put the album on hold now and release it next year, when the press will have enough of the story. But i don't think Polydor is that smart. They will just put Mark somewhere in the background, bring Robbie and for them the problem will be solved...

LOOOOOOLLLLL Well, perhaps the only positive thing from all of this it will be that a lot of people will stop wondering if Mark is gay :lol:

LOL... it was for long time common knowledge. What wonders myself is that Howard got only some small pics and Mark get so much attention. Should they have been in a rock band, nobody whould give two cents about it. Only because they are in a pop band, people still believe they are saints :lol: or that they have to . Do I am shocked? not quite...for someone who heard his solo music as much as i do, which is very sincere, was everything there. Someone who doesn't have real bad times, cannot write such true songs. People always look at Gary that he had bad times, well Mark has it as much as him. At least Gary was appreciated in time as a songwriter, Mark was not appreciated at all. I think this is the problem of Mark and his family. It is not at all my problem. I want his and TT's music, i buy it if i like it, i want from them good shows, live singing and good music. That is all. If i would choose to like only artist who didn't cheat, well, i would have to give up more than half of my favorites... :lol:

I think there is a big mistake that there was no physical release. Which is curious, as there is one for Germany. But Germany seems to be now his best market. Who would have thought that Depeche Mode and Robbie will have something in common ? (LOL, for the record Depeche Mode and Take That do have something in common: same producent for the last solo album of Owen and for the last DM album :lol: )

16 gone / the rest to come :lol:

I don't think Mark thinks that this what fans want. I think that this is what he wants :lol: (that is why i mean he has no business feel, he makes the music he feel is good not what he thinks fans will like it, he takes the decisions from the "artist" point of view but he cannot foresee how his / TT fans will act, he never could do that). Edit: that Mark doesn't make what the fans want from him is very clear: on his forum were many voices that he should do something with his website (still have the artwork form 2003) and that he should bring on market more of his live DVD, as a lot of people (ok, a lot from Mark's fan lot, don't compare with TT fans) want to have it. We never got none of them :nocheer: . I still have "seasick" :angry: . Counting the weeks :teresa: ...

Hehe, sure: they fly to LA to record the Haiti song. As if they coudn't record their four words in London :rolleyes: . And they needed Jason and Howard for what? LOL, as the rumour between fans get, the flight was planned long before. I was hoping back then that is perhaps for some film music, as it was to early for the new album. Still hope it was not for working with Robbie. As for Mark: he is the biggest "idiot" :teresa: , he takes always the wrong decisions apart from his song writing, he doesn't have a head for business , only Gary has. He wanted the Green Man when nobody was ready for it, he wanted something different for the second album (which was not published) and was thrown away from the record company, he went to CBB, he want the reunion with Robbie. I think Mark feels guilty about Robbie drugs addiction and that he didn't "rescue" him the first time. So, Mark is a lost case. As for doing something solo: he is the only one from the three TT having a solo business, which didn't pay any attention to keep those few fans he had and those attention he got as a solo artist (he was quite respected in some strange german indie scene :lol: ). He haven't update his website with any information about TT or about him, apart from kids . So, my money are that he won't do a solo project in the next 10 years. With a little luck he will write some songs for rejects in X-factor :rolleyes: (what a waste of talent, he has the talent to do marvellous film music - but does he make something to push his career?) The only one with a head is Howard, but as it seems he is too in love to think right now :naughty: .

I don't know why but Peter Gabriel just iritate me :teresa: ... No idea why as i liked some Genesis.

I gave my vote for Outcast. Should i have three i have choosed Madonna with Vogue and A-ha with Take on me. :cheer:

There is also a "third album" curse. But it seems to apply more to indie-rock bands like Kaiser Chiefs, Razorlight and Arctic Monkeys. All have pretty bad times with their third album :unsure:

Happy for Lily, i wished she had got the single instead as i find all other singles boring :rolleyes:

I hope The fear will win the single. But not a lot of chance <_<

I think they will. Girls when grow up tends to shame themselves for how stupid they used to be. Great for me that i loved Janis Joplin and Depeche Mode back in time. Nothing to be ashamed :lol:

I so much prefer when celebrities DON'T publish how much or if they give money to charities. If they do, i have always to think that they "buy" their publicity and "good image". It is not our problem what someone makes with HIS money.

Even if it is a charity CD and the artists worked free of charge there are still many other people implied in process and who must be payed. From a normal CD only a small part goes to the writer / artist : this money are the one who can be donated directly...Production costs must be covered (like paying the worker from the manufacturing) - they get their percent from the price of the CD. After they are covered from the first batch of CDs, (from which only 1 € goes to charity) the rest of money will go in full to the charity. If i understand it right.

I wonder if through this link people from USA or Canada could donwload the songs? http://www.takethat.com/discography/#album-1545