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You know? I get tired how the music industry works. Nowadays is more important the image an artist has instead of his music quality. How on earth the TV could send it live the music in the 60ies and now with the all high -tech is such a major problem for TV to let artists singing live? For me is lazyness of the TV people and it should be forbidden. What is the point to watch some act miming? What have you from it? Yes, the artist has the promotion, the sales, the watching quotes, but what is your win from it? You can as well put the CD on, hear the radio. The experience is zero! Additionaly, when an artist has the posibility to sing live but he choose to mime, i feel cheated: i gave them my attention, they have the oportunity to show me what they can do, and they choose to cheat. That is for me mimimg - cheating! If it is the fault of the TV or of the artist - both time I feel cheated and that they try to sell me a cheap, second-hand image. I think one of the problem is also the listener. You can have so much music, so cheap - so you actually don't listen to it anymore. It gets as background and you are not aware anymore you are hearing something. The more posibilities the people got to record the music, the easier had this music devalorised. Where is the experience? Where is the sharing of the artists? Music is art when is sharing involved. That unique moment shared between the listener and the artist, that bonding of souls which the live music offers, seems to get forgotten. You see everywhere on the forums across the internet: "I don't care if she/he/they mimed. She/He/They looked great". That summs up what i wanted to say :lol: !

Your wish is my command: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QOg7BfqYmQ :lol: _QOg7BfqYmQ

Only if it is sung from Jason or Gary. Nobody cares for Howard (why i am between the fews really liking his voice?) and Mark (well, but a lot do cares for his hats :P ). Sorry for the irony :lol: , it only summs some of my observations there and just put it a little harder.

Here are the links for the two performances. Enjoy it! Scroll down for the liks (somehow the direct links don't work) http://musicstar.sf.tv/liste.php?docid=7-s...=musicstarliste Opinions?

I think that "caring" for an artist (I won't use the word FAN anymore, sorry) means for some of us the desire to see them growing and evolving. And like parents do with their children, we look critically what can they do besser. If i won't see in them the posibility to evolve, i won't come here. If i woudn't like their music, i won't hear it. And only because i enjoy it, i find it challanging and i believe in them, i take the effort to comment, to care what they can do better. I am not blind, i am very awake also when i think about my passions. Also when i was in love i could see through what this man has for good or for bad sides. When i hear TakeTHat or other music i like, i think this music not only just hear it. I think about the harmonies, the lyrics, the orchestration, the passion in the voices, the heart. I judge that all and make myself an opinion. A lot of times, also when i love a song i still know what it miss for me to be an excelent song. I also judge through a value-set the music i hear or the artist i see.. This set i use for the bands i like and for those i don't like. I make no exception - not because i want to be above, but because the quality of the music and of the performance is what i am looking for :teresa: . I also think Norma is also not a classical fan, as fan comes from fanatic, i must dare say that yesterday is the first time when i saw the similitudes between a religious fanatical (don't think stright to some asia people or someone who loves bombes, i met a lot who are peaceful but still fanatic) and a pop-act fan. Norma likes to think logic and rational. It may sound harsh what she sais and she naturally judge the music form her point of view and as like us all subjective, but she will also love to think. So, takethatrule, don't take it hard when I and Norma comes here to say our harsh critic. If we woudn't care for Take That, we won't do it. I give my time only for what i have a strong bonding. :lol: Speaking of that, Norma, i think you would really carry on by yourself in the official TT forum. Being called arrogant , was the last drop for me :lol: ( i would have understand ellitist, music-snob, but arrogant? :naughty: ) . Through the move of the forum a lot of people i enjoyed reading, a lot of them having a very heavy humor, are gone. I will go there only to read , but i don't intent to post my opinion anymore there , even when they tear the voice / music style of Mark to pieces :rofl: (ok, hear i hope i will resist to the temptation) .

Hehe, i count only the "new" TakeThat, as i was not a fan back in time and i am still not found on their back catalogue (only two songs i liked, now perhaps 3 or 4). :naughty:

Are you also on TT official forum? Going back to The Circus: singing it at the RND was the best decision - it did well together with the pictures in the beackground and have a message more in accordance with the charity. I still don't know if it will chart well as a single - but if they play right their cards they may get it - at least all TT fans are happy that each favorite is singing. I found the live performance strong :dance: .

Well that was also my point there :lol: . But i was more harsh than you, i said that they don't have the courage to try. :whistle: Sorry, but i think they really have fear, i would also have being in their place. If you are a not well established act and still very young , you have nothing to lose. But if you are a trademark - it is a very dangerous game to do. If Robbie coudn't do it, TT would have loads difficult! Also an "old" band is very difficult to market . If they still make in UK very well, ok inEurope - i don't want actually more. The Circus was the last moment to try - this moment is now gone I think (you know, just IMO, :teresa: ). But i think that many fans see them as holy and not doing wrong. That Mark smokes and eat meat is enough for a sacrileg there :lol: . They having fear is the ultimate bad thing to say - they are not human after all (but no, they are also no dancer anymore :D ).

The one in diary about their miming :lol: something with friday in title :D (not the one in the main TT) . I don't know if it's gone, as if i am going once again and get once again calling names as arrogant i may flip out really bad :blink:

Ok, this time i did it big time. I think i will get banned , but anyway that was for me there. I don't know why i really bother to post there, it is not like being fun or having to many persons with whom i can exchange there opinions (i can count on my fingers). Don't go in the thread about RND if you don't want to see the battle, but as usually i lost as cannot express my opinions very clear in what for me whould be third language. It was an interesting experiment to be a fan in a forum. I was never before :lol: and perhaps this is also the last time. I learn my lesson - you cannot be on an artist forum a free thinker :lol: . If you want to keep going there, good luck !

Norma, you should come on the official forum! LOL, i get myself on fire there :lol: . But The Garden is great live, isn't it? Mark was so good that i thought he mimes (it took a couple of very very analyzing hearing from me), Gary is also great! @ Rule the World - i already skip Greatest Day on The Circus. I think i hate it now more - because it got what UAN should have got : publicity, promotion and no 1 :rolleyes: . I am pathetic , i know (you should see what sig i have now on the official forum :lol: ).

Well, good for UAN for keeping Top 20. If they would have promote it this week it would have been good - but as far as i know that was , so no chance that next week it will still be in top 20. Also the album is still strong. Very good! I am pretty sure, somewhere in top 100 is also The Garden.

This made my day :lol: . If i know the thinks right, no, UAN is not their biggest flop. That was I wait for life, only two weeks in Top 40. Let me know, it is not that The Circus of Britney went only at 13? Than UAN only did a place behind :lol: Britney, two places behind Oasis second single . "Flop" is something subjectiv and relativ and sometimes non related to quality, isn't it?

After analyzing like 100 times, i think Mark was also live, but a little bit better as on RND :lol: .

Only Mark sang live yeserday , some people from official TT knows from somebody working at BBC (or something like that :lol: ). Also when you compare yesterday with today videos, it is very very clear!

Please do!!! I saw in internet the show on-line, but i coudn't make a copy, it didn't let me :angry: . I am sure Howard and Jason were live (voice), Gary also (eyebrow), but was Mark live? It will be weird if he wasn't this time :lol: . I need to see the video a couple of time again to be sure. His mic was on... EDIT: that part i thought it is Jason autotuned - well, it is Jason who sings with Howard together, so Howard is singing a little bit metallic . Today that was very clear :D .a

Steve Robson - co-writer on Julie, Hello, Said it all on The Circus album - co-writer on Shine, Beautiful world on the BW album - co-writer We all fall down :wub: - songwriter and producer: here a small part of his work (don't know if it is accurate but is very impressive: http://www.austriancharts.at/showperson.as...me=Steve+Robson and here : https://music.msn.com/music/artist-credits/...em=1&ipp=10 ) - official website: haven't found any He seems to get along very well with Mark style of writing and singing.

I don't understand either why they are miming? I would understand only at Jason as he is very emotional and then his voice is very uneven. But why why why Gary? He has a beautiful voice, he struggled only at the beginning with Greatest Day - but that added value, if you know what i mean . I really don't understand why? He has experience, he has the voice, WHY? Does he lose his voice? I still think Mark was live both times, as he was different from both album tracks and his voice had the imperfection of a live singing. The main reason why i am against of Jason doing a single is that i think he cannot carry a live promotion. The chorus on "How did it come to this " sounds heavily metallic and unreal ( i miss here the proper word, but i hope you understand what i mean). It goes very well as a album track, but how on earth can he sing like that live? Sound a little bit like how they transform the voice of Britney, and she also doesn't sing live... Howard was too perfect on The Garden, so perhaps you are right that he also mimed. I think they always sing live on the gigs, even Jason (well, i don't know at him how he will sing now live , like i said, but i don't know if the autotune works also with live voices and if that was the way they transformed Jason's voice). So i won't worry about the gigs! Take for example the BW DVD. Mark was more than sure live (you can tell it at him :lol: ), Gary eyebrow was also moving, Jason was absolutely live and Howard was also different as on the album tracks.

That Mamma mia spoof was very good. I laugh and laugh! :lol: :D Awww, thank you Norma for the kind words for the "little fella " (very much apreciated). Gary was himself like usually (only at Greatest Day he had problems at the beginning), Howard and Mark were both great. At Jason, i am serious asking: does he use autotune? Because it doesn't sound naturally (his second half, the first two verses are ok and his voice normal, and somehow is a switch and it goes to this a little bit unnatural voice). Yeah, he was major nervous :lol: .

Wow, i got to hear the Garden, very bad video, but Norma, you was right: that was the right song for the ocasion. They shortened it (boooo, they take out the false ending which builded so nice at the end of the song, Jason sounds as if he was autotuned (but it may be the low quality), but it was life and great!

Congratulation...and celebration..lalalallaaallllaaaaaa (was that Cliff?)

Well, i am very very very fond on Julie - it speaks to me loads as i am a little bit down at the moment - but i don't think that it would make a chart impact. I want "Hold up a light" as a single - it is such an anthem! but i think only a song with Gary or Jason (if you see the publicity he got only for singing the b-side, think of what would do a real single) on lead would do well, as that is what the majority of fans seem to want.

Feeling slitly idiot here , but who are FF? :lol: Did Oasis and U2 also sing two times?

Oh yes, i received yesterday . I love it, thank you :friends: ( i wrote you about it, but i have not idea on which thread , i was yesterday very active here :teresa: ). "What is love" is very dull, i am surprised that they didn't release this song as a single (*do i show that i am annoyed from TT?*) Hey, i drink for the climbing of Julie in your personal rankings :lol: . It is very random, but everytime i hear it , i remember on the part with "Buon giorno, principessa" from "La Vita e bela" ...

Shhhh, don't say Julie in front of Norma! It is like the red for a corrida :teresa: