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To go to the toillets for example :teresa:

Ah good, i can leave 5 minutes earlier from the gig. What an odd anti-climax end!

I think fame is his main motivation and also that the viewer number will increase at the beginning at least because all the TT fans and x factor fans will be curious to see Mr Barlow as a judge. It depends from Mr Barlow if he will deliver, but as TT fans loves Mr Barlow no matter what, he can say stupid things and they will be enchanted :wacko: But looking for talent on such a show? No, he is not so stupid to believe that... You don't make talent over night, you have to invest a lot of time to develop someone and not on a weekly basis. Yes,i know he likes to be looked as someone with genious strikes who makes a song in a second, but a voice needs development to be polished, to reveal its personality - ask any real musician. This is the explanation why even Leona, after one year, kind of flopped!

Bosnia :yahoo: Romania x 2 :yahoo:

Italy benefited for sure from jury voting. It is not a popular kind of song, but i am gald they did so well. It is an interesting song. France voice was flat tonight, no chill from the song like it should to convince.

Italy was amazing. Happy for them! Happy for Bosnia, that they are in top 10. Poor Spain, why i am the only one liking this? Such summer feeling. Poor France, but his voice was not at the best today. UK, you made the first step in the way of winning: you sent soembody known. Next step: please send a good song!

Did i get hear right, are they BOOOING in the arena every time when an est-european country receives 12 points? NOT IMPRESSED :puke2: :arrr:

Irland - ewwwwww, :wacko: 3/10 Sweden - ok, 6/10

Hungary - generic euro pop song. I am not into. 4/10

Lithuania is borrrrrriiinnnnnggggg.ZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....

Hurray, i am not the only one loving Bosnia. One of my votes today goes to them! :yahoo: But about Denmark, i am sure i heard this song before, at least the chorus :blink:

I like ths Finland song, but it won't get in top 20.

Actually can be good for the last, if some people wait to hear first all songs and can remember only the last :lol:

Let the fun begin! Have fun everybody! I got my mobil ready :yahoo:

To admire is something different as to take him as your role model. As for arrogance - no one deserve to be arrogant, regardless what he / she makes . :teresa:

Happy for Romania and Bosnia! :yahoo: I knew that Molodva will get further (has an european discothek feeling over it), but i don't like the song to much ... I like till now: Bosnia, Romania, Italy, France and Spain. Still not decided who will get my vote.... :lol:

"Guilty of much worse?" As far as i know, the only "guilt" is that both Mark and Howard were exposed to have too many ladies and not be family peoples (and the rumours are very strong that Gary did the same - at least in Germany - but was more calculated). But that is their personal problems IMO, and doesn't influence my oppinion in their music. But when someone like Gary or Bone becames arrogant and see themselves as the second coming, this is not personal affair anymore. That Gary would be criticised for his X factor, should be him clear and he done it by himselv - no one obliged him to do it. But for soemone who pretend to be such a profesional musician to go to the easy route of X factor - this shows what is really important to him. I criticised much more Paul McCartney for singing at X Factor and that ruined my oppinion much more as such a legend doesn't need to bow to such fake-show like X factor. If Gary wanted really to make other people succesfull, he could have done his own serious contest where real music and judges would have choosen the winner. But he got to the show which will give him the most exposure and most love of the people. He is now as worse as Dieter Bohlen in my eyes. At X factor the money maked with those naive persons is more important than creating a good musical act - and Gary is not so stupid to don't know that! He would have sold his damn solo album anyway, he has more money than 90% of peoples in UK, he is already looked up - why the hell did he need the X Factor? Let's say that Mark needed to do CBB to get the second album out, but i still think Mark was very stupid to do CBB and i hope he has learned his lesson as no one took him as a professional because of it He got the second album, but it was not what he wanted, as it was customed to "his fame" and the company was not interested to built him as a musician. When he wanted a dark atmosphere for his solo "4 minutes", he was not allowed - they targeted him to the people who looks CBB. He ruined big time the chances to be taken as a serious musician ... For a small group he redeemed himself with the brilliant third album and his constant trying, but his big chance for a big publicum and recognition from the profis was away. The pity is that the decision of Gary ruines from me not only Gary, but Take That as a whole. Dieter Bohlen (ex Modern Talking) is now considered a joke, yes, he is very smart and laugh on his piles of money, but he is still a joke. They were with the Circus on the edge of becoming a real "classic act" and i think they ruined that big time for me with some of their last decisions... I think is a matter of oppinion what is important for you that the artists must have and do. I am intereted in those artist wanting to make better music not to sell more albums, be in more papers and be more adulated or who are "megalomaniac". I don't take any artist to be my role model, i think only weak people do that. So, if anyone wants to torn his life in pieces by alcohol, women and drugs, is his stupidity and as long he doesn't abuse anyone, is his problem, not mine. Rolling Stone and Beatles did it too, no one takes them as role models for that. But when someone showns his arrogance anywhere he can, chase after my sympathy with PR- autobiography and put himself with any occasion the target "look what a lamb i am, how charitable (but i fly with my own jet), how down to earth (but i have friends only those with success and hardly one see me with my family anywhere), well, i have a problem. I hate arrogance, that put me off from U2 for example... I also dont like arrogant collegues who speaks only high about their perfection or those pushing for attention. Gary is not "guilty" of anything. But his decisions are not what in my eyes a genuine man, a professional musician with love for the music in first place would do. I don't like those artist, who just put the image of "we are serious artists interested for the music", but is not his real philosophy. His arrogance adeed to the fake image, make me to get very cold. Sorry to be so bold, hope it annoy noone. It is just my oppinion and is nothing personal to Gary - i think the same about other artists. :teresa: Ok, rant over. I am very p.... about the whole, X factor story was the last drop. I am annoyed that i bought tickets to see them, as i would need to make special arrangements with my baby and spend a lot on the way to the gig on top of that. With that money i would have seen a lot of genuine acts, perhaps in small venues with not so much abracadabra, but with a lot more love for their profession.

For me, The Circus was the direction i wanted TT to go. I loved it as a unity but also for Hold up a light and Up all night and also 2 other. Progress let me cold, really. I can appreciate that they move on, they try new things, but it does not involve me emotionally or intelectually like The Circus did (i still love to hear the album to hear new tidbits of orchestration).

Shocked about Turkey! :blink: Gutted for Norway, she was poor live, but the song i liked! :arrr:

If it is something in TheSun about Gary, than the information is with 95% probability right . I suspect he is very good pal with the Bizzare typ ...

I bet: - that Mr. Barlow will appear every single week as a master of piano - that the winner song will be written and / or produced by Mr Barlow - eventually one or more of the acts will be taken by Mr Barlow music company - that Mr. Barlow will release in Christmas time or Mother Day time next year a solo album - that the other acts from his firma will sing as guests on X Factor Does anyone want to bet against? :lol:

I have no respect for NONE of the judges, in UK or Germany or anywhere. It is made to sell cheap dreams, none of the acts really developed, it is only to make money back of the gullible people and has nothing to do with quality music. This is way i am beyond dissapointed of Gary taking this job. He has enough money, so he make this only for the media buhuhuuu, to get attention and to be more adored (IMO). But with quality, serious musician this has nothing to do! I don't care how great he would be as a judge, as he must also play by the rules and is all fixed, so it brings nothing to be a "great judge". He will play piano, built his solo carrier further, he will love the attention and distroy any rest of sympathy for Take That at genuine people who likes music and not shows and drama a la X factor. The x facor is not about new musiacins, but only about the judges. How cheap of you, Mr Barlow, how cheap of you! Look what they did to Leona, she was such a genuine voice and personality and now she look lika a h... . :puke2: Two year shelf live at the best...

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showb...n-X-Factor.html Ok people, that was for me with Take That - i very much regret that i bought the Tour Tickets now. I understand that they need to sing at X factor because there is little to none proper TV programm to present a new single. Bud Judge? Oh dear.... This is worse than Mark doing CBB. :puke2:

Bad artwork once again. Not very keen on the song. From the sound is exactly was i expected, it suits an action film. Not my kind of music thought. Oh dear, a song more i will have to hear an tour without liking. Why the hell i bought that damn ticket? *gggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr*

I hated LBDS, to be honest. I loved their early docus, i wanted a docu about how they make music, but none about therapy and discussing over and over their relationship. And i am tired to hear that in their music too, i want some new thema, Perhaps that is why i like SOS, Kidz and Pretty Things and i dislike 8 letters... They are once again friends, great, move on :teresa: . And the press should also move on! I start to avoid looking at interviews, not because Gary, he have always used to much "I" for my liking for ages, but beacuse they are questioned over and over about the same things. I think they get bored as well about the same questions. As much as i don't like Jonathan Russel, his interviews were very funny ... The only additional item i will buy from them apart for music would be an autobio written by Howard . He seems to be the only one having the guts to tell someday the thurth (he was also very entertaining in their first docu for the reunion :lol: ).