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You should be thanking me that I saved you some money then ;) I did not intend to cause any inconvenience to you or anyone else, i assumed everyone looks at spoilers

Good to see Cher dropping in the betting B)

That would make sense for sure if it was introduced in this country Would help the NHS too if the non working people had no access to cigs and booze so double the advantage

This is being trialled in Germany atm, benefit claimants are issued with a swipe card that is topped up fortnightly and that swipe card can be used in participating retailers such as supermarkets and transport and can't be redeemed for cash nor can alcohol or tobacco be purchased. I think a similar thing could work here

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/8425/bannerthingd.png CONGRATULATIONS, YOU HAVE FOUND LADY BUZZJACK! -------------------------------------- On DS there was a case of a woman on benefits who could afford to take her kids to 2 theme parks in a week in the summer, my sister could only afford 2 visits the entire summer for her kids to theme parks so it made me realise how morally wrong it is that people on benefits can afford such treats while those in work barely can Is there a good case for benefits instead of being in cash that they are paid in vouchers that can be redeemed at supermarkets for food and at rail and bus stations for travel ? That way those on benefits can still eat and travel to interviews but can't have treats that even working people can barely afford

Here it is again incase anyone missed it the first time If I had my way we would not allow any more EU immigrants either unless they meet a very strict criteria, I am not into all this "British jobs for British workers" crap, it is up to British workers to apply harder and sell themselves better to employers as opposed to blaming immigrants but it is not good for this country's identity to allow the floodgates to immigrants from wherever they may be. In some ways immigration is a good thing, without immigration we would not have curry houses, we would not have pizza parlours, we would not have the wonderful chinatown in Soho, we would not have stuff like the Notting Hill carnival, all those kind of things are positives to come out of multi culturalism and the rise of ethnic stock in this country.

I have nowhere said that anyone is not welcome in this country just that only those that have 300 years of English direct parentage (parents, grand parents, great grand parents, great great grand parents etc) can truly call themselves indigenous, if it was about staying in the country even I would be out as I have Russian/Polish/Ukranian and Lithuanian blood in me, infact one whole side of my family comes from immigrant stock and I have no intention of packing my bags ;) It is not about living in this country, my guess is that maybe 500,000 to 1million in this country could truly call themselves indigenous If you read my original post about multi culturalism and immigration on page 13 you will see loud and clear that it is something I support

Who said anything about "out" ? I have nowhere called for any deportations nor would I, as I said earlier in the thread multi culturalism has bought many benefits and I am not against that continuing, I just believe the doors should be closed to NEW immigrants except those that meet a very strict employment/financial criteria

You missed this bit earlier in the thread ;) In some ways immigration is a good thing, without immigration we would not have curry houses, we would not have pizza parlours, we would not have the wonderful chinatown in Soho, we would not have stuff like the Notting Hill carnival, all those kind of things are positives to come out of multi culturalism and the rise of ethnic stock in this country. Australia the only true indigenous people are black (abo's) Indeed I did bang a Jamaican once but as with every sexual intercourse I ever had (bar 1) I was suitably protected, of course it is not beyond the realms of possibility that the condom split and I have a mixed race kid out there somewhere but no one has ever come forward asking for child support so I assume that not the case

No idea whatsoever, even I am not indigenous as I have blood of 4 different countries in me

Not every marriage has to have kids, many if not most of my married friends don't have kids

Thousands of years of tradition, if something has been this way for thousands of years it should not change IMHO

I did when I said that every ethnic group be it white, black, asian or oriental should maintain it's pure physical and cultural identity, the way James interpreted it was not even close to my definition of it

I am not, I welcome new immigrants who match a fixed criteria, the BNP want to close the doors to all immigration, I am not advocating that at all, I just want to ensure the most suitable immigrants come here

I have never claimed in this thread that any race is inferior, that WOULD be racist as that is what racism is essentially about, if that guy in your school said such a thing he was rightly kicked out, I do not endorse remotely such an idea I consider indigenous to be anyone who can trace their heritage back 300 years with every parent, grand parent, great grand parent, every generation in those 300 years being born in this country, in a few hundred years time blacks and asians and other immigrants can lay claim to such thing but blacks and asians were as rare as rocking horse $h!t till the last 40 or 50 years so until a black or asian person can show 300 years worth of British born parentage then indigenous=white, that is not being racist it is just a simple fact

Ironic given I loathe the BNP as much if not more than you do but you are entitled to your opinion :)

I have no doubt at all that Scott when he reads this thread will probably set up a thread in the mod's lounge demanding my banning, unfairly so as I don't believe I have been remotely racist in this thread, if I got reported over the idea that the Aussie PM should threaten to sink boat's I know I most certainly will be over this but as it says on the tin this forum is about "thought provoking and controversial issues" so while I am braced for being reported I think its been a good debate.

See my previous post, beneath the skin everyone is the same, skin sets us apart, is our own identity, so no i don't think anyone mixed race is inferior

I am all in favour of mixing but it is natural for say an immigrant coming in from Bangladesh to go and live in Southall or someone coming in from the Carribean to go and live in Brixton or someone coming in from Israel to go and live in Golders Green, they feel safest among their own people, it is human nature, that is why when Brits go and live in Spain they don't go live next door to Carlos they go and live among fellow expats, I have no issue with that, people feel safety in numbers and a black or muslim or asian or white person living in their own community is perfectly normal, would be nice if everyone mixed but if they don't then so be it

We all have the same body parts, the thing that identifies us, our "badge" so to speak is our skin colour, I believe our identity is our skin colour, blacks should be proud to be black, asians should be proud to be asian whites should be proud to be white etc, it is our skin that sets us apart from one another as under the skin we are all the same Like I said Tyron above the people that are most against inter racial breeding are blacks, the stick relationships with whites get in the black population, the discrimination against mixed race kids in the black population is unreal. Not that I support any of it. Inter racial breeding will over time result in the loss of that race's identity

I find the BNP abhorrent, if they got a sniff of power there would be forced deportations, police raids to forcibly remove anyone who doesn't have a white face, beatings of ethnic minorities by the BNP's henchmen, no matter how much they window dress their manifesto to look respectable beneath that lurks evil and I no way support any of the above, I do not endorse anything like that, i want to see all races in this country live in harmony, nothing the BNP stands for do I agree with

You should speak to black people Danny, a number of black people I know find the idea of an inter racial relationship and a mixed race baby or diluted black baby abhorrent, such people are cast as traitors and "uncle tom's" etc, even blacks are by and large against their cultural and physical identity being eroded Every culture should retain its own identity, that isn't racist

The latter, retaining the identity of our skin colours

Not at all. Of course we should take black, asian, oriental immigrants (if they fit the strict criteria) but I have concerns about inter racial breeding, I believe that blacks should breed with blacks that asians should breed with asians that orientals should breed with orientals and that whites should breed with whites, every ethnic group retain its own identity physically and culturally In Italy the Moors (black) inter bred big time with the indigenous Italian population (essentially what we look like) and the result centuries later was a complete genetic change in Italians, completely wiping out their indigenous DNA and I just don't want to see the same happen here and don't feel it is racist or Nick Griffin-esque to think that. It wouldn't happen in our life time nor in the next 500 years but with inter breeding of different ethnic groups our entire indigenous history could be wiped out. I just want to see every group stay within its own group so we can all have our specific identities

This country's indigenous DNA has always been north european/anglo saxon, has always been that way since Britain was in existence even if the gene pool has been mixed with scandanavian/roman/french/whoever else has invaded this country, I don't think it is racist at all to have concerns about a change in something that has happened since this nation began, I would not want to see a repeat of what happened in Italy simply on the grounds that our DNA has remained the same since Britain began, not a racist issue at all IMHO