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Some laws are more morally acceptable than others Going over the speed limit on a deserted motorway in good weather or downloading the odd song on Limewire are both technically crimes but ones the public would place very very low on the list of priorities in which the crime is important. I believe it is an offence to draw a moustache on the Queen's face on a banknote but come on that hardly ranks with murder, rape, mugging etc

I don't have a death wish Tyron :) I don't take stupid or unnecessary risks You would be far safer being a passenger in my car than you would 95% of cars in this country tbh

Again in that situation I would not speed, I have a traffic alert thing on my in car stereo that interrupts my music with any accident alerts so I would not speed approaching a pile up If a pile up happened just ahead of me - A) The weather would either be bad or B) The traffic would be quite heavy in which case I would not be speeding in situation A or B in the first place.

I never speed in areas where there are pedestrians (schools, High Streets, residential areas), anyone wants to cross a motorway or dual carriageway (the places I speed) then frankly they are a fukkin idiot and deserve to be run over.

It is a technical law, a law that most people break, bit like downloading music off Limewire etc It does not compare with burglary, mugging, child molestation, rape and so on which the average citizen would be far more concerned about than someone going over the speed limit on a motorway.

No I just think that police are best equipped to deal with motoring offences, a speed camera is a one size fits all thing that does not take into account weather conditions, time of day, levels of traffic on the road etc, a police officer can and does A speed cameras has no powers of discretion, no common sense, it is just a machine, a police officer has a brain and can make judgements based on things that a camera can't. There are speed cameras on the M25, don't go at 70 at 3am when you are the only car on the road you are going to get 3 points and a £60 fine :manson: whereas a police officer is far more effective 7 times not 2 :o

It is not risking lives I never speed in areas where lives are at risk like near schools or on residential roads etc, there has never been a situation where I have put someone at risk with my driving. That is the reason why I have 9 years protected no claims bonus, am also highly trained in both skid pan and defensive driving by a former Mercedes AMG instructor so am safer than the average driver and without being arrogant probably better too. I only speed when the weather conditions and traffic levels (or lack of traffic levels I should say) make it suitable to do so, examples being a dead motorway in the small hours, a quiet motorway in nice weather conditions etc, same goes for dual carriageways. I do not take any stupid risks, I do not endanger anyone, am very low on the risk scale and my insurance company seem to agree with me too :) Am not like a boy racer.

Several times yes, been busted by a few speed cameras (have 6 points on my licence was 9), worst f***ers are the mobile ones so I will be glad when speed cameras are dumped I have been stopped for speeding many times by the police and have never been fined with them, usually made up some sob story excuses or was just incredibly apologetic or in 2 cases the cop was a Spurs fan :o and been let off each time with a warning or being asked to take my documents down to the station and not having any punishment. That is why I want to see cameras replaced with good old common sense policing

tbf Tyron you provided SPECULATION and circumstancial evidence, no concrete evidence as your argument became well and truly unstuck over the Swindon situation where there was no increase in road casualties after cameras were switched off

Yeah near schools I drive UNDER the speed limit, I can't think of a single time I have exceeded the speed limit near a school, similarly in housing estates or residential areas, again I drive just under the speed limit as never know if a kid might come charging out or something even though they should have been taught the green cross code I would be in favour of increasing the motorway speed limit to 100mph

I speed and speed regularly, there is an adreneline rush that can't be beaten that goes with speed but I only really speed excessively on motorways and dual carriageways and then in both cases only in dry weather and light to non existent traffic. There needs to be common sense with regards speed limits, it is ridiculous that you have to go 70 on a motorway in beautiful weather conditions and light traffic or have to do 70 on the M25 at 2am when you have the entire road to yourself, on the motorways at 2am I tend to go 90 to 130 as there is no danger whatsoever and generally in sunny weather on a light M25 in the daytime I cruise at just under 100, 70mph in wet weather is psychopathic but 70 in the early hours or on a clear day with light traffic is just stupid and I do speed in those circumstances I never speed near schools, I never speed in residential areas etc

The number of pedestrians that are killed by speeding drivers with no fault to the pedestrian are minimal, could probably count them on 2 hands so the tiny risk of being hit by a speeding driver should not shape government policy and how are speed cameras going to prevent it unless you have a speed camera every 50 yards on every road in Britain ? Speed cameras are all over motorways and dual carriageways, they are not designed to help pedestrians, anyone trying to cross a motorway or dual carriage way deserves to be run over so your argument about pedestrians is flawed Speed HUMPS are a far more effective way of controlling speed in residential areas and near schools

There is no evidence at all that speed cameras prevent deaths, cars these days are so strong and have so many safety gadgets whereas the cars of old were lumps of metal with wheels attached, the chances of dying in an accident are much lower because the cars are so much stronger and safer, airbags, side impact protection, traction control, ABS brakes etc are some of the things that reduce the death toll on roads, speed cameras are an irrelevance, just a scam to stealth tax money from motorists, good riddance to them. Safety of cars, increased congestion on roads have all contributed way more to lower death tolls than the speed camera scam

Weird how she wasn't shown on the main show :/ 15m will watch ITV X Factor and 1m at best will watch ITV2 so she should have been put on the main show :/

Agree with that, has to be in the final 12-16 :o loved her version of Creep

This girl on ITV2 right now has a good voice :o Holly her name is

Only 2 have made any impact on me tonight vocally That Zimbabwean girl and the sweaty that sung a bit like Diana Rest have been average to awful

She will certainly be eliminated in rock week if there is one ;) That was horrendous her attempt at We Are The Champions

The dippy blonde isn't bad at slower stuff ^_^

Never heard a Queen song as murdered as We Are The Champions !

wrong thread :/

:wub: Cheryl when she is bitchy ^_^

Urgh, how can they murder such an amazing song :angry: :angry:

Aaarrrggghh my poor ears :/

The waterworks well overdone though :rolleyes: Cute black kid crying her eyes out tugging on the nations heartstrings, sure way of getting through Nice voice though