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If they had wanted to they could have done what France did with the Rainbow Warrior and SINK the ship so I don't believe causing deaths was ever part of the plan

It was a diplomatic f*** up, I think the operation should have been carried out in Israeli waters, would been better for everyone, coming so soon after the stolen passports it is bad PR for Israel but I still maintain that the soldiers had the right to defend themselves

I will save that one for later, am off out for a meal in 20 mins

Israel had the right to board those ships 1) The ships were trying to beat a blockade on Gaza, they knew full well that the Israelis would confront them at some point 2) Israel suspected them of smuggling weapons to Hamas so were entitled to examine the ship The fact that only 9 died out of 800+ shows that this was done professionally and was not an attempted massacre

According to the BBC "The UN Charter on the Law of the Sea says only if a vessel is suspected to be transporting weapons, or weapons of mass destruction, can it be boarded in international waters. Otherwise the permission of the ship's flag carrying nation must be sought." Previous aid shipments were according to Israel notorious for smuggling weapons to Hamas, although there is of course no hard evidence of this if Israel can prove that they suspected weapons were being smuggled then they are in the clear

Just been watching the footage on ITV news Clear evidence of soldiers being brutally attacked with clubs and a soldier being thrown overboard, those doing the attacking deserved to be shot judging by that footage. Self defence by the Israelis

Your little fishing expedition has so far got nothing more than tadpoles :rolleyes: keep fishing I have never said that all Palestinians are terrorists, your quotes of me seem to suggest you are implying that I think that when I think nothing of the sort Hamas are terrorists, it does not mean that everyone that voted Hamas is a terrorist any more than everyone who voted BNP is a neo nazi I have no issue with peaceful Palestinians who quietly go about their every day business I DO have issues with the extremists and consider them fair game for Israel

Whatever, I think my role in this thread has run its course, I got banned over Israel/Palestine before and I don't want the same to happen again

Hypothetical situation as none of my family have been victims of an islamic attack and the odds are heavily against the fact they ever will be, however if they WERE then I stand by what I said

Has Suedehead2 hacked into your account or something ? you are being more pedantic and nit picking than him today :mellow: I have said again and again that Gazans are not a target of the Israelis unless they are engaged in terrorist activities or smuggling weapons, the way you are going on you would think that the Israelis are deliberately targetting ordinary civilians which they are NOT so your example of 7/7 and Gaza is a poor one

I don't want to see Palestinians killed unless they are Hamas leaders, Hamas terrorists or smugglers of rockets and arms, I simply want to see the Palestinian threat to Israel neutralised which means Israel expelling all the Palestinians from West Bank and Gaza and Israel annexing the territory, Palestinian territory is used to fire rocket after rocket into Israel, the Palestinians can go live in Egypt and Jordan in safety.

And as I have already explained.... If one of them died in an islamic extremist attack I would not blame the extremists I would blame BLAIR and I would not rest until I had shot the c**t between the eyes, deserving is not a word I would use I would just say I understand why the Islamic extremists did what they did as Blair was jointly responsible for the execution of 26,000 islamists at the hands of B-52's However Israel do not have a policy of deliberately targetting civilians, they target extremists and their leaders and sadly innocents get caught up in the crossfire

The UK/USA were deliberately slaughtering civilians it was an established part of their game plan, sending B-52's to carpet bomb residential areas was with the sole intention of having as much civilian loss of life as possible, pre meditated murder, then the degrading treatment of POW's in Abu Ghirab and Basra by UK/US forces IMHO made UK and USA civilians fair game. However, Israel's plans is not about genocide, mass murder etc, Israeli forces could wipe out every living organism on the West Bank and Gaza quite easily if it so wished but the Israelis instead go for what they consider to be "military targets" such as Hamas leaders, Hamas fighters, weapons smugglers etc, innocent civilians do inevitably get killed in the crossfire and through being used as human shields but Israel don't TARGET civilians like UK and America did in shock and awe, Blair and Bush wanted cold blooded mass murder Israel seek to neutralise threats to its security, big difference. The UK and USA deserve all they get as they set out on a path of civillian genocide and mass murder, Israel don't so we are talking chalk and cheese here.

And another thing that annoys me too, Turkey is being portrayed in the media today as full of harmless peaceful people who wouldn't say boo to a goose when the reality is that Turkey has one of the worst human rights records in the WORLD and has massacred more Kurds in cold blood in Iraq than Chemical Ali did so I don't know why people find it so hard to believe that Turkey was helping Palestinian terror groups and attacked Israeli soldiers, Turkey is one of the most vicious and vile nations on this planet with huge amounts of blood on its hands over the last few decades.

I fully believe that Israeli forces acted in self defence There was around 800 on the ships and around 10 died so if Israeli forces wanted they could easily have killed hundreds so that was never their intention, but if they come under attack with live ammo, iron bars and knives course they are going to bloody defend themselves. Like I said in one of my early posts if I went to say the gates of Downing St or Heathrow Airport terminal 3 and went for an armed policeman with a knife or iron bar I WOULD be shot so I don't see what Israeli forces have done wrong here. There would be 0 dead if the thugs hadn't attacked the soldiers, their fault like it would be my fault with the armed policeman analogy. Also there are strong links between the IIH who are one of the organisers of this shipment and Hamas/Al Qaeda I am not a troll I have been banned before over Israel so it is a subject very close to my heart

That was grossly exaggerated by left wing anti Israel groups, the death toll was nearer 800 the majority of which were terrorists, weapons smugglers and so on, many of them used human shields, a popular tactic with cowardly Palestinian terrorists so if there is a choice of leaving the terrorist alone or to take him out along with the human shield then it has to be the latter every day of the week, in every situation I would still take out the terrorist and let the lefties have their headlines as letting the terrorist live puts more Israeli lives in danger "20 Killed In West Bank Massacre" would be the headline from the leftie newspapers when in reality it is 4 dangerous terrorists and their human shield, is it right to blame Israel ? no, blame the terrorist scum who are using a human shield, human shields is how the majority of civilians in Palestine died in 2008.

Happy to answer it Britain got what it deserved in 7/7 and the other incident as it played an active role in the deliberate mass murder of 26,000 Iraqi civilians, civilians the intended target of Shock and Awe and our government played at active part in it so are fair game for revenge attacks along with America, Blair and Bush should be facing genocide charges in The Hague BUT you can't compare that with Israel in Gaza and West Bank, Israeli military actions are aimed at killing terrorists and weapons smugglers, they have targeted operations to eliminate these terrorists, sometimes when they blow up a house to kill a terrorist others may be caught up in it but try are not the intended target unlike Shock and Awe, civilian deaths in Palestine are collateral damage what we did in Iraq was premeditated mass murder of civilians so we deserved fully any revenge attacks. As for the question of my family being killed in 7/7 human nature would mean a desire for revenge, I would have dedicated my life to assassinating Blair so i would have blamed Blair for my family death. To sum up we and America deliberately murdered civilians in cold blood Israel target terrorists but sometimes civilians get killed in the crossfire or they kill civilians in self defence who are attacking them with rocks.

Sharon was a traitor, he sold out years later with his disgraceful treatment of settlers and his demolition of Israeli settlements in the region His stroke that incapacitated him was karma from god for betraying Israel the way he did along with that other traitor Rabin

Are parts of the former Roman empire firing rockets almost daily into Italian towns and cities ? Did former Roman empire territory citizens go into Rome and blow up buses full of women and kids ? Did any ex Roman empire territory elect by a 80%+ majority a terrorist group with a long history of mass murder,hijackings and bombings ? Do any former Roman empire territories have in their education system that Italians are pigs and dogs ? You are comparing apples with oranges mate

Israel should take over the West Bank and Gaza Strip and expel all "Palestinians" from the region, let them fukk off to Egypt and to Jordan they are a threat to the safety of Israel and live on what I maintain is Israeli soil. Tanks should move in and repatriate the Palestinians to Egypt and Jordan and reclam the soil that morally belongs to Israel.

It is not Palestinian territory though, they were handed it in a carve up but Palestine was given to the jews by god thousands of years ago and Palestinian soil includes sacred jewish areas such as Bethlehem and the place where jesus was born, I am not religious myself but it is jewish territory

Course I didn't forget but in comparison to over 600 rockets and missiles fired into Israel in 2009 on 135 different days we are relatively safe Palestine is a terrorist state that elected a terrorist group to represent them (Hamas), if the Palestinians wanted peace they should not have elected terrorists as leaders If I said what I really think about Palestine I would be banned, I fully support Israel's actions in the region

We have the Luxury living here in comfort knowing there is little chance of a terrorist attack, Israelis have missiles trained on them from Syria, Iran just waiting to be fired and have hundreds of missiles fired into Israeli soil a year from Palestine. It is easy for a state of paranoia and a siege mentality to develop when under those conditions which leads inevitably to mistakes and errors of judgement

We have the Luxury living here in comfort knowing there is little chance of a terrorist attack, Israelis have missiles trained on them from Syria, Iran just waiting to be fired and have hundreds of missiles fired into Israeli soil a year from Palestine. It is easy for a state of paranoia and a siege mentality to develop when under those conditions which leads inevitably to mistakes and errors of judgement

Israel allows 15,000 tons of aid into Gaza each WEEK, all they wanted to do was inspect this cargo for possible missiles and weapons, many Israeli soldiers were injured and I doubt they self harmed I fully believe that Israeli forces were assaulted by terrorist sympathisers and acted in self defence. Of course some of their excessive reactions of the past might mean that there is an element of "Cry Wolf" to this stuff today but as a loyalist to Israel I fully believe that this was self defence. If the Israelis were attacked (no one from here was on board) then what were their forces supposed to do ? just stand there ? I am with Israel on this until there is hard evidence to the contrary